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Kind of a misleading title... its not like Apple went in and deleted those specific songs without the owner knowing (essentially like hacking). The iPod was restored, which coincidentally erases the entire contents of the iPod.

It's not coincidental that the contents are erased, it's a necessary part of restoring a device to its factory settings.

And yeah, the title is bad/wrong. It in effect accepts the plaintiff's allegations as fact.
 
Isn't this not a apple centered forum and news site? If someone wants to hate on Apple why do they feel the need to do it on Macrumors?

Simple solution. Leave #

Perhaps you may not realize this, but this is an Apple NEWS site. It's not an Apple fan club site. Apple haters may be interested in Apple news as well. I'm sure Apple fan club sites do exist, and perhaps the truly simple solution is for the fans that can't take the heat to be the ones leaving.

As for myself, I'm 100% an Apple fan; but I'm also an adult.
 
Perhaps you may not realize this, but this is an Apple NEWS site. It's not an Apple fan club site. Apple haters may be interested in Apple news as well. I'm sure Apple fan club sites do exist, and perhaps the truly simple solution is for the fans that can't take the heat to be the ones leaving.

As for myself, I'm 100% an Apple fan; but I'm also an adult.

The hardcore Apple fan site is Appleinsider. But there you also have to deal with the fact that every thread seems to degenerate into rants about welfare, Obama, socialism, and Tim Cook having the nerve to donate to AIDS charities when everyone knows AIDS is G_d's punishment for sinful behavior.
 
Never owned an iPod. It was always too cumbersome and limiting for me. I was an Archos fan :) If this was done purposely, Apple was damn shady.

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The hardcore Apple fan site is Appleinsider. But there you also have to deal with the fact that every thread seems to degenerate into rants about welfare, Obama, socialism, and Tim Cook having the nerve to donate to AIDS charities when everyone knows AIDS is G_d's punishment for sinful behavior.

sounds like the comment section of CNN
 
Between 2007 and 2009, Apple stealthily deleted content that iPod owners had downloaded from rival music services...

or on the other words: illegal downloaded music services...

In this case, I support Apple 100%.
 
Bad story headline leads to blow up between pro-Apple and anti-Apple commenters. News at 11.
Seriously? What exactly happened to the ONE guy that had 3rd party music "synced" to his iPod?
 
How does one download music from a competing service to iTunes? Or do they mean it was downloaded elsewhere and then imported into iTunes?

I must say though this security director isn't doing Apple any favors:

Agreed. Personally, I love that Apple has made technology so accessible to the masses. However, at the same time, they have also dumbed down technology. And yes, I realize that you don't need to know how to change a tire or the oil on your car (yikes a car analogy) in order to use it - but it's clear that (some) at Apple believe their customers are idiots. Or at least - that they need to pander constantly. That part of Apple I do not like.
 
Ummm... if you bought an iPod, it belongs to you to do whatever you want with. It's not licensed software, and it's not a service. You own it, legally. It's not part of Apple's ecosystem, except in the sense that it is compatible with some other offerings of Apple. It's 100% your personal property, and if you want to run other software on it's your business. Apple can void your warranty, but that's it.

I assume you're not referring to an iPod touch?

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Agreed. Personally, I love that Apple has made technology so accessible to the masses. However, at the same time, they have also dumbed down technology. And yes, I realize that you don't need to know how to change a tire or the oil on your car (yikes a car analogy) in order to use it - but it's clear that (some) at Apple believe their customers are idiots. Or at least - that they need to pander constantly. That part of Apple I do not like.

And yet when they do offer more functionality/customization we get the faux concern crowd fretting about complexity (see current Watch meme).
 
More Big Brother behavior from Apple. We now need them to decide for us when and how to protect us from hackers and malicious content? And to use that excuse is ridiculous. If they got caught doing this, what else do they do?

Well, since it's not happening anymore, and hasn't been since before Steve died, I'm not sure where the "more" is. Remember, Apple had DRM because the labels wanted it. Once you do a DRM, it's really yours. Why should anybody use your scheme? You want one DRM for them all, or no DRM? Apple decided to go to no DRM. It took about a year and a half, as I recall, to get all the companies to go along, and on the way, Amazon was given the right to be DRM-free, and to have lower prices, than Apple. Apple only got the last on board after they decided to give up control of the .99 price. But there's no penalty now. Most audio forms it converts easily, and if you have some .flac, well, there's stuff on the market -- or free -- that mean you can easily do the conversion to something iTunes plays. The holdup was cooperating on the DRM, and Apple wasn't going to allow a third party to share something that might mean a leak, or a lot of hassle, and what for? They were getting rid of DRM! Remember when they swung the deal for iTunes Match? All your files, (cough) whatever the source, converted to an iTunes track.

This is that Real Networks pest, who tried to pester everybody to take his crummy service. Every other popup window you saw, there was Real.
 
I assume you're not referring to an iPod touch?

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And yet when they do offer more functionality/customization we get the faux concern crowd fretting about complexity (see current Watch meme).

Of course - because Apple's products are devoid of any complications for the consumer. The quote in this article clearly states that :)
 
So what is the problem here? Users expect Apple to support music that was purchased from other stores? Why would Apple do that? Do users expect Ford parts to work on a Chevy? A fake K-cup in a coffee maker? The wrong cartridge in a printer? Lots of companies insist on using their parts and consumers accept that as reasonable - why pick on Apple? Is it because they have the deepest pockets?

Insecure much?
 
IF I recall correctly, Samsung tried spoofing the iPod USB ID in an effort to connect iTunes to its own iPod clone. Apple might have had to do for your protection. Or maybe not.
 
The hardcore Apple fan site is Appleinsider. But there you also have to deal with the fact that every thread seems to degenerate into rants about welfare, Obama, socialism, and Tim Cook having the nerve to donate to AIDS charities when everyone knows AIDS is G_d's punishment for sinful behavior.

Well that's just because the leftist communist BS that is ruining everything is going full bore at Apple and is at the root of everything wrong with that company lately, and this country as well.
 
Well that's just because the leftist communist BS that is ruining everything is going full bore at Apple and is at the root of everything wrong with that company lately, and this country as well.

I know when I think of a privately owned corporation with $700 billion in assets, the first thing that pops in my mind is an image Karl Marx looking all happy.

Sometimes Engels swings by, too. But hell, he don't count none. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU, ENGELS! GO AWAY!
 
Apple sells high end electronics and after paying the price, much of the very good software is free.

It's only "free" in return for paying extra for the hardware.

Likewise, Google provides a lot of quite useful (and cross-OS) "free" services in return for ads.

Google makes its primary income by tracking everything you search and where you go to sell the information to advertisers.

Google does not sell personal information to advertisers. That would be stupid and destroy their revenue source.

Instead, they sell anonymously targeted ad slots... just like Apple does with iAds.

Apple security director Augustin Farrugia defended the vague error message, stating that Apple didn't want to "confuse users" by providing them with too much information.

Farrugia also said the company's efforts to delete music acquired from third-party sources was done in an effort to protect consumers from hackers and malicious content.

A simple warning would've worked. Like, "In order to protect your iPod from possible harm, this restore will also permanently remove all music files that you did not download from Apple's iTunes Store."

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Anyway, none of the above is part of the lawsuit per se. The lawsuit is more about having to pay extra for iPods in order to keep playing the music they bought from Apple.

For example, one piece of the class action is a fairly common complaint with Apple devices:

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I.e. the lawsuit complaint is that the user was locked into paying higher hardware prices, due to Apple not only not licensing its DRM methods, but also actively working to prevent any compatibility methods that arose from competitors.
 
More Big Brother behavior from Apple. We now need them to decide for us when and how to protect us from hackers and malicious content? And to use that excuse is ridiculous. If they got caught doing this, what else do they do?

This is EXACTLY what MacRumors is hoping for. People like you reading the headline and assuming that what the headline says is true, and then jumping to conclusions about Apple.
 
I agree, because all companies are evil in the sense that they're for profit more than anything else.

Statements like these drive me nuts. What is evil about about seeking to make a profit. If investors could not make a profit, they would not risk their money. There would be no company. We would have no products.
I go to work daily... for profit more than anything else. Am I evil? You likely have a job and go to work. To make profit. Are you evil?
 
I know when I think of a privately owned corporation with $700 billion in assets, the first thing that pops in my mind is an image Karl Marx looking all happy.

Sometimes Engels swings by, too. But hell, he don't count none. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU, ENGELS! GO AWAY!

Social communism, not economic. Deliberate social engineered BS pumped into our heads from the day we were born.

The whole oligopoly issue is an entirely different problem, but easily dealt with via a single piece of legislation. But to elect the legislators to pass such a law we need to reverse engineer all the social BS filling the voters heads. And that is likely impossible at this point.
 
Kind of a misleading title... its not like Apple went in and deleted those specific songs without the owner knowing (essentially like hacking). The iPod was restored, which coincidentally erases the entire contents of the iPod.

You are correct, the title is misleading... That said, this statement from Apple is utter crap : "Farrugia also said the company's efforts to delete music acquired from third-party sources was done in an effort to protect consumers from hackers and malicious content"
 
These comments are wimpy at best.

People don't seem to get it. Why should Apple have let another company into its ecosystem.
If I own a grocery store, you can't come in and tell me you are going to put your stuff on my shelves! And if you do, I would most certainly throw you and your stuff out on the curb.
After Apple wins this, and they will, I hope they take each an every individual in this sham of a class action to court and sues them into abject poverty.

haha....the true American way. :)

Yeah, kinda like how Apple users are trying to force Apple Pay on grocery stores? The irony of the sheeps.
 
Between 2007 and 2009, Apple stealthily deleted content that iPod owners had downloaded from rival music services...

or on the other words: illegal downloaded music services...

In this case, I support Apple 100%.

Let me get this right. You 100% made up the fact that someone illegally downloaded music. :eek: I say 100% because nothing from the disclosure in this case has even hinted at illegal downloads. Then based on something you made up, you also decide to support Apple 100%.

Totally legit.:rolleyes:
 
Let me get this right. You 100% made up the fact that someone illegally downloaded music. :eek: I say 100% because nothing from the disclosure in this case has even hinted at illegal downloads. Then based on something you made up, you also decide to support Apple 100%.

Totally legit.:rolleyes:

haha... good call. but now, maybe we should cut him a little slack. I suppose it's possible he could be completely unaware that other "legal" music purchase/download sites exist besides apple's! There might be a rock somewhere big enough to live under :D
 
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