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To those who think that this is a controlled leak - how do you think the SEC sees this, will they pursue if they think Apple are doing something naughty?

They've jumped all over Apple for 'irregularities' - if Apple pulled a stunt like this, they'd crucify them. I don't think Apple legal and the brain trust are that mentally damaged to have this be a controlled leak. Be assured, the SEC is probably already investigating to ensure there is no involvement by Apple.
 
Gizmodo wrote a very positive iPad review!

Either they are very certain of their legal position.
Or they are complete jerks.
Or they have indeed done some unofficial deal with Apple.

It's all very exciting!

C.

I think that they are complete jerks has already been made evident:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-9849168-2.html

The tools at Gizmodo even bragged about what they did:

http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-meanest-thing-gizmodo-did-at-ces

When you see the video, you realize this is an organization run by pre-pubescent boys and perhaps flying monkeys. I was surprised they managed to stay relevant after that stunt they pulled, but this latest one should be their undoing once Apple legal drags them across the glowing coals of their displeasure.
 
If it's a PDF - (which the signature suggests) Why the bizarre vintage letterhead?

C.

Wild guess - perhaps internally, they color-code the stationary for quick filing?

or

Perhaps this guy still had a box of old stationary he was trying to finish out before opening the new box?
 
If it's a PDF - (which the signature suggests) Why the bizarre vintage letterhead?

C.

I don't agree it's bizarre and vintage, but even if it is, so what? When I send a letter via email it looks just like a letter I send via regular mail. Same letterhead.
 
How Dare You?!

You can type in caps as much as you want, but you are wrong (in Britain as well as every US state, I might add--you should ask for a refund on those two years of law school). There is one, exactly one, and only one circumstance under which you something you find becomes yours to sell in this short of a time. That circumstance is that the person who lost it tells you it is yours.

Selling something you do not own is the tort of conversion, and/or the crime of theft by conversion.

Period. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.


Firstly, I find your post arrogant and your style hurtful. “Period”?! You are not a lawyer, are you? I don't think that I have deserved this kind of a personal abuse and I demand an apology.

Secondly, I would question your competence in law. You appear to use some pretentious legal terminology without giving the impression that you know what you are talking about yourself. Others picked up on this too. As you claim, you know how the law stands in the US and in the UK. Surprise us! Shine! Please, provide us with details of the origin of your fantastic legal knowledge that might destroy our doubts about your version of UK and US law! Personally, after a degree, I don't even know what the law is in Scotland. Do barristers and solicitors in England and Wales know? No. But you do, apparently. Good for you!

What is the authority on your claim that "There is one, exactly one, and only one circumstance under which you something you find becomes yours to sell in this short of a time." It sounds like it came out of the mouth of Lord Denning, but of course, he is not an authority there. But now that you question my knowledge of English law (without actually distinguishing between English law and Scottish, for example), why don’t you just ‘solve’ the following issues:

You have no mens rea. Given the facts, there is not much chance that you’d reach as far as to consider Ghosh. Have you ever heard of it? Probably not, otherwise, you wouldn’t have posted that pile of insult and nuisance. The Theft Act 1968 defines theft as dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention to permanently depriving the other of it. You might want to check out s. 6(1) and 6(2). Also, as it is typical with many exam problems, some issues with dishonesty arise. Tort?! Enlighten us! You failed in criminal law that doesn't even require higher education.

Tell us about the US law, you legal expert! Some case law would also be nice on top of the relevant legislation... I never claimed that I knew the exact state of the law in the US in general or in that state specifically. In fact, I expressed that I don't know US law and I only spent two years (accelerated as I had a former BA and MA in management) studying English Law here, in the UK. (Technically, it was called Jurisdiction, but I have doubts, whether you'd understand why that is.) I admit that I never joined the Bar and I don't want to.

Thirdly, let's cut the crap! The guy called Apple and they denied that the prototype was theirs. So far, nobody else came forward as the rightful owner. Apple only came out AFTER Gizmodo made maximum use of their alleged $5000 investment. The story grew, so they just had to react. Even if you want to go down the 'conversion' and 'tort' route, I think you would also have to consider terms, such as 'defences', like 'estoppel' and asking back for it. But only after that you went through all that alleged 'conversion' route, that is.

But if you still blame Gizmodo (or the finder) with felony, than act and report it! Let's see, if anybody takes you seriously! Perhaps the guy will be arrested for not taking the prototype to the local Police Station or ‘Lost & Found’ (or whatever they call them in the US)? Most of us seriously doubt it, but hey, you must be right!

Given the circumstances, it can be pretty difficult to use tort to get anybody prosecuted, but I'm sure you can do it with your confidence, arrogance and your disregard to take the fact into consideration that EVEN if you were right on the point of law (which I doubt), it takes a lot more to start a procedure. Obviously, you haven't been laughed at by police officers about pity crimes.

In many ways, studying law and not becoming a lawyer is a waste of time. I might remember a lot about tort and criminal law, but what I also remember is that there are hardly any points in law that are so simple as you put it. By the way, you don't have to repeat it over again and again. If I can read, I can read the first word just as much as the third one.

If you just remember one thing from this post, that one thing should be this:

Don't you ever reply to me like that! Put me on your ignore list, I don't care, but without proving that I am wrong, don't you dare questioning my competence in that manner! If you cannot cite proper authority, don't tell me what to do! If you want to treat people like crap, keep that in your house and off this forum! I will do the same.

As I said, I demand an apology!
 
Firstly, I find your post arrogant and your style hurtful.

You're confusing arrogance with being indignant when people make ridiculous claims to try to justify theft. At what point did Apple either abandon the property, or intentionally transfer ownership? You didn't answer that.

And I never claimed for a second that a local constable would give much of a **** about the whole thing. That wasn't the discussion, though I share your pain at their usual sort of reaction.
 
Well CNN got their hands on the story as well; this is BIG stuff!!!

I still think that something is fishy with this whole story...
 
Thirdly, let's cut the crap! The guy called Apple and they denied that the prototype was theirs. So far, nobody else came forward as the rightful owner. Apple only came out AFTER Gizmodo made maximum use of their alleged $5000 investment. The story grew, so they just had to react. Even if you want to go down the 'conversion' and 'tort' route, I think you would also have to consider terms, such as 'defences', like 'estoppel' and asking back for it. But only after that you went through all that alleged 'conversion' route, that is.

But if you still blame Gizmodo (or the finder) with felony, than act and report it! Let's see, if anybody takes you seriously! Perhaps the guy will be arrested for not taking the prototype to the local Police Station or ‘Lost & Found’ (or whatever they call them in the US)? Most of us seriously doubt it, but hey, you must be right!

Given the circumstances, it can be pretty difficult to use tort to get anybody prosecuted, but I'm sure you can do it with your confidence, arrogance and your disregard to take the fact into consideration that EVEN if you were right on the point of law (which I doubt), it takes a lot more to start a procedure. Obviously, you haven't been laughed at by police officers about pity crimes.

Actually, there are no secondary sources to verify that Apple was contacted at all. We only have one piece of information to go on, and that is a key turning point.
 
Actually, there are no secondary sources to verify that Apple was contacted at all. We only have one piece of information to go on, and that is a key turning point.

I agree. The story is full of holes and lies. I'm sure in their pre-pubescent minds, the dunces at Gizmodo thought they had the perfect story. Now that everyone is cutting it apart and examining the tale under a magnifying glass, they are sputtering out more details, and backpedaling... although I still don't think they're smart enough to know how deep the **** is that their standing in... or now, treading water in, so to speak.
 
Freelancing.

Unless "box of stationery" is a metaphor for someone's brain.

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lol

No - I meant real paper, harvested from trees that could not run away fast enough as the axman approached them menacingly.

My guess is that they overnighted a letter to Gizmodo (hence purple apple on the stationery) AND followed-up with an e-mail (or vice versa) just to make sure they were properly informed.
 
I agree. The story is full of holes and lies. I'm sure in their pre-pubescent minds, the dunces at Gizmodo thought they had the perfect story. Now that everyone is cutting it apart and examining the tale under a magnifying glass, they are sputtering out more details, and backpedaling... although I still don't think they're smart enough to know how deep the **** is that their standing in... or now, treading water in, so to speak.

Also, if it was, and the SEC found out, they'd be in massive trouble.
 
What part of "shall make no law" do you not understand? Only the government makes laws.

The government shall make no law infringing on the freedom of the press... just as the government shall make no law infringing on my right to swing my arm until it hits your nose.

Oops! Obviously, you are not familiar with the concept of Parliament/Senate and common law, where the Judiciary also makes law. You know, it's basic 'separation of power' material. Again, you show more arrogance than actual legal knowledge.
 
Actually, there are no secondary sources to verify that Apple was contacted at all. We only have one piece of information to go on, and that is a key turning point.

Gizmodo publishes this compelling account from an un-named Apple source:

Un-Named Apple Agent said:
I work for AppleCare as a tier 2 agent and before the whole thing about a leak hit the Internet the guy working next to me got the call from the guy looking to return the phone. From our point of view it seemed as a hoax or that the guy had a knockoff, internally apple doesn't tell us anything and we haven't gotten any notices or anything about a lost phone, much less anything stating we are making a new one. When the guy called us he gave us a vague description and couldn't provide pics, so like I mentioned previously, we thought it was a china knockoff the guy found. We wouldn't have any idea what to do with it and that's what sucks about working for apple, we're given just enough info to try and help people but not enough info to do anything if someone calls like this.
If the guy could have provided pictures it would have been sent to our engineers and then I'm sure we'd have gotten somewhere from there, but because we had so little to go on we pushed it off as bogus.

It gets ever more interesting! I can't decide to stay playing this game - or watch a movie.

C.
 
Gizmodo publishes this compelling account from an un-named Apple source:



It gets ever more interesting! I can't decide to stay playing this game - or watch a movie.

C.

Unless that comes from a regeneratable source, outside of Gizmodo's ecosystem, you can't really call it evidence - you know my argument from here. Also, why call Apple Support? Surely Apple corporate would be the better option - or even better - take the flipping thing to 1 Infinite Loop - not that long away.
 
Oops! Obviously, you are not familiar with the concept of Parliament/Senate and common law, where the Judiciary also makes law. You know, it's basic 'separation of power' material. Again, you show more arrogance than actual legal knowledge.

Hmm. That seems a leap from what I said, which was just that the rights under the First Amendment are not absolute--a trivially true proposition (and I'm sure you already know it). What are you getting at?
 
By "you" I meant Gizmodo and everyone - sorry :)

No offence taken!

If it is a fake statement, there's something rather funny about a Gizmodo employee drafting a first-person account of this down-trodden Applecare worker. Sitting in his cubicle - bemoaning his lack of strategic insight.

One does wonder how Gizmodo tracked down the very phone operator who took the fateful call!

C.
 
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