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http://gizmodo.com/5520729/why-apple-couldnt-get-the-lost-iphone-back

They don't seem to be covering their asses one little bit!

C.

Actually, they are - these links are pretty good evidence that the phone was not the subject of "theft" under CA law.

Although I think that the most interesting part of the whole saga is how Gizmodo hasn't (unless this has recently changed) released certain details of the iPhone, such as the type of processor, the amount of memory, etc. I'm not exactly sure what this means, but it suggests to me that they at least being somewhat protective of Apple.
 
This whole story looks completely faked. This Powell guy for example: his facebook account was basically only made for spreading the word that he lost the phone. There is nothing else in there. Looks like some nice story made up by Apple to get some attention.
 
For a company that leaves no stone unturned in ensuring even the barcodes look beautiful and modern, it seems odd that Apple's counsel is writing on c. 1999 letterhead.

Notice the purple 'five flavor' iMac-era logotype and the Apple Garamond for the address block. These were replaced by monochrome logos and Apple Myriad years ago.

So, is the letter just on very old letterhead, or is it fake?
Having worked with some big corporate clients such as Volvo, Nokia, VW and Ericsson, I can tell you that one of the hardest jobs in any such place is to talk execs and other suits out of using the same stationery and Word/PP templates they've used for the last 10-15 years. If you ask them to use other files than the same ones they've always opened (typically using desktop shortcuts that are holy to them), they start trembling, crying and jumping out windows. And god forbid you should ask them to stop placing the logo on top of textured backgrounds that their kids made for them, or stop using Times New Roman instead of the sans-serif corporate font.
 
I love all this coverage on the new iPhone months before! It makes me smile at the amount of sales lost due to the fact that people will now fersure wait for the new phone. I'm so glad I never WASTED my upgrade on a 3GS when this was right around the corner =]
 
I love all this coverage on the new iPhone months before! It makes me smile at the amount of sales lost due to the fact that people will now fersure wait for the new phone. I'm so glad I never WASTED my upgrade on a 3GS when this was right around the corner =]
Same here (I'm on a 3G). I skip every other iteration of pretty much everything these days (also skipped Adobe CS4, and now CS5 is around the corner). It just feels really good knowing I skipped the last model of something. It's my only weapon against your-expensive-thing-is-officially-old-now depression.
 
Dear Gizmondo,

Can we have our thing back? I can meet up with ya 6:30 after work at nearby Starbucks. See ya then!

Kiss,
Steve
 
There doesn't even really seem to be anything exciting about this new iPhone, IMO.

Better battery life, yay.

I will have no problem holding onto my 3GS until the 2011 revision.
 
There doesn't even really seem to be anything exciting about this new iPhone, IMO.

Better battery life, yay.

I will have no problem holding onto my 3GS until the 2011 revision.

More memory? Faster processor? More storage? Double the screen resolution? Better camera? Flash for camera? Front facing camera? Faster processor? Possibly camera shutter buttons using volume? >20% better battery life?

What is it you were looking for, dude?
 
More memory? Faster processor? More storage? Double the screen resolution? Better camera? Flash for camera? Front facing camera? Faster processor? Possibly camera shutter buttons using volume? >20% better battery life?

What is it you were looking for, dude?

Didn't say I was looking for anything, but those don't do much for me.
OS4 is more exciting, and that will run fine on my 3GS.
Front facing camera and flash are useless to me.
 
Didn't say I was looking for anything, but those don't do much for me.
OS4 is more exciting, and that will run fine on my 3GS.
Front facing camera and flash are useless to me.

Ok. Just wondering what sort of improvement in the hardware would impress you.
 
The Facts

The phone was stolen - if you pick up something off a barstool in a bar and put it in your pocket and take it home its theft.
No facts. Fiction.

Finding a product and taking it home does not account as theft; This particular iPhone prototype was found after someone else forgot it in a bar, and the person who found it asked around and then took it home to contact Apple the next morning [which then disabled the device, not any sooner].

And when you ever find something [in CA] and keep it into your possession, until it is returned to the rightful owner, which also requires that you do your best to return said product to the rightful owner, or police, and since the person who found the iPhone prototype knew that it was an Apple prototype... he contacted Apple the next morning. After which the device was disabled. Not any sooner. So he basically did what he had to do, conform CA law.

The sketchy part only starts when he decide to transfer possession [he did not sell the device since it wasn't even his] of said device to Gizmodo – after Apple denied to cough up the same amount of finders fee (?) because $5000 sounds like a fair deal for an unreleased Apple prototype – after which Gizmodo published their story [with pictures]. And that's when Apple stepped in, as was to be expected by both Gizmodo and the person who found the device. Simple isn't it?

In short; no theft.

What I cannot believe, or at least have issues with, is the fact that this particular Apple Engineer took his highly secretive iPhone prototype to a public place [a bar] then got drunk [as her states] and then uses his Twitter (?) account to say something about the strong German beer, after which the iPhone was "lost". That to be almost sounds like a controlled leak, or a very very stupid action of said Apple engineer.
 
Finding a product and taking it home does not account as theft; This particular iPhone prototype was found after someone else forgot it in a bar, and the person who found it asked around and then took it home to contact Apple the next morning [which then disabled the device, not any sooner].

Really? Then why didn’t he (the finder) contact any employee at the bar? Or the Police?. ANd even then, why didn’t he just drop the device at Apple headquarters if he knew it belonged to them?

And when you ever find something [in CA] and keep it into your possession, until it is returned to the rightful owner, which also requires that you do your best to return said product to the rightful owner, or police, and since the person who found the iPhone prototype knew that it was an Apple prototype... he contacted Apple the next morning. After which the device was disabled. Not any sooner. So he basically did what he had to do, conform CA law.

That doesn’t mean anything - Apple has 3 years to reject a claim, they didn’t - calling Applecare without providing any evidence is not sufficient - the guy didn’t even call the bar (the apple employee did according to the owner) nor did he contact the police which he should have. Read the statute - you have to take reasonable actions - contacting the bar or the police (if you are the finder) is top on that list. Calling Apple Care isn’t just and reasonable actions under any standard since they cannot verify a potentially false story - and they cannot abandon the device anyway

Apple’s actions do not constitute abandonment - Wiping a phone isn’t evidence of anything remotely near abandonment - it is in fact evidence that they consider the device stolen since they went through efforts to wipe the device seeing as though it had private data.

The sketchy part only starts when he decide to transfer possession [he did not sell the device since it wasn't even his] of said device to Gizmodo – after Apple denied to cough up the same amount of finders fee (?) because $5000 sounds like a fair deal for an unreleased Apple prototype – after which Gizmodo published their story [with pictures]. And that's when Apple stepped in, as was to be expected by both Gizmodo and the person who found the device. Simple isn't it?

He could not sell it - it was not legally his. You do not understand the situation nor the law.

What I cannot believe, or at least have issues with, is the fact that this particular Apple Engineer took his highly secretive iPhone prototype to a public place [a bar] then got drunk [as her states] and then uses his Twitter (?) account to say something about the strong German beer, after which the iPhone was "lost". That to be almost sounds like a controlled leak, or a very very stupid action of said Apple engineer.

As it was allready established, he was most likely field testing it.
 
So he basically did what he had to do, conform CA law.

He could've taken it to any Apple store and handed it to a manager.

The sketchy part only starts when he decide to transfer possession [he did not sell the device since it wasn't even his] of said device to Gizmodo

Doesn't CA law require the finder to keep the item for a certain amount of time?

Instead, he decide to shop it around. And yes, of course he sold it to Giz.

– after Apple denied to cough up the same amount of finders fee (?) because $5000 sounds like a fair deal for an unreleased Apple prototype –

The AppleCare rep he talked to had no idea he was for real. After all, there must be lots of people with iPhone clones around.

In any case, there was no refusal to pay a finders fee. Did you make that up?

What I cannot believe, or at least have issues with, is the fact that this particular Apple Engineer took his highly secretive iPhone prototype to a public place [a bar] then got drunk [as her states] and then uses his Twitter (?) account to say something about the strong German beer, after which the iPhone was "lost". That to be almost sounds like a controlled leak, or a very very stupid action of said Apple engineer.

The guy was 27 and apparently celebrating his birthday with beer he wasn't used to. Pretty much a good definition of "stupid".

Apple itself did a lot of stupid things. First, they had no way of tracking the unit down. Second, they had no "call this number for a reward if found" sticker inside. Even secret government gear sometimes have that. How simple that solution would've been.
 
If this story is true. This guy did the utter bare minimum.

But that was probably enough to give Gizmodo confidence.
Whether that confidence was misplaced is another issue.

C.
 
from computerworld.com

http://tinyurl.com/y2b6bam

"If I was advising Apple, I'd tell them to move on, and thank you for the publicity," said Terry Church, an intellectual property attorney at Morgan Miller Blair in Walnut Creek, Calif. "Apple's not really been harmed by it, as long as Gizmodo hasn't delivered the device to a testing lab and torn it apart to look at the designs inside."
 
If this story is true. This guy did the utter bare minimum.

But that was probably enough to give Gizmodo confidence.
Whether that confidence was misplaced is another issue.

C.

I don't even think he did that - If I found an iPhone lost in a bar the first thing I would do is let the Bar deal with it since that is where it was lost. I would not be under any delusion that Applecare would have any ability to find a lost iPhone under any circumstances even if it was one that was currently in production much less one that looked different.

from computerworld.com

http://tinyurl.com/y2b6bam

"If I was advising Apple, I'd tell them to move on, and thank you for the publicity," said Terry Church, an intellectual property attorney at Morgan Miller Blair in Walnut Creek, Calif. "Apple's not really been harmed by it, as long as Gizmodo hasn't delivered the device to a testing lab and torn it apart to look at the designs inside."

Gizmodo already did a teardown, but we only know what they tell us.
 
Why Gizmodo and the Finder commited theft

For the sake of argument, We'll presume that Gizmodo's statements are taken to be true and that this is in no way a publicity stunt. As to the finder. We'll call him "Lucky Duck"

Did Lucky commit theft of the Iphone?

As to finding lost property: "One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft." Cal. Penal Code §485. Pursuant to California Penal Code § 487(a), Grand theft is theft committed when the money, labor, or real or personal property taken is of a value exceeding four hundred dollars. In determining the punishment for such offenses, the value of the stolen property is the "reasonable fair market value." Cal. Penal Code §484(a). Grand theft is punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year. Cal. Penal Code §489(b).

Here Lucky was in a bar and happened upon a phone that had been left by its owner. Lucky stayed in the bar "awhile" and after took it home to try another day. Mr. Duck discovered who the phone belonged to via the facebook app on the phone but was unable to find any other contact before the phone was remotely disabled. Lucky called Apple's general care number who (justifiably) don't know anything about prototype phones in the wild. After that, he gave up and cashed in to the highest bidder (Gizmodo).

Lucky will say that his actions were reasonable and just in trying to return the phone. Apple will assert that, given the nature of the property and the close proximity from the place of finding to Apple's headquarters, Lucky didn't come close to meeting this standard. A judge is likely going to agree with Apple.


Now on to Gizmodo. Did it commit receipt of stolen property?

We turn to California Penal Code §496(a): “Every person who buys or receives any property that has been stolen or that has been obtained in any manner constituting theft or extortion, knowing the property to be so stolen or obtained, ...shall be punished by imprisonment in a state prison, or in a county jail for not more than one year.” Any person who has been injured by this crime “may bring an action for three times the amount of actual damages sustained including costs of suit, and reasonable attorney’s fees.” Ca. Penal Code §496(c).

Here, Gizmodo, as a tech blog that cover Apple products closely, knew without a doubt that Lucky didn’t have rights to the phone because his name isn’t Steve Jobs. Lucky even told them that he found it, proof that he didn’t have the rights to sell it. Gizmodo then paid $5,000 for the phone and has gone straight to work to paint this as “Apple’s mistake.” Assuming that Lucky’s actions constitute theft, Gizmodo’s actions fit the statute exactly.

Apple will be able to bring an action against Gizmodo or Lucky for three times the damages incurred (I’ll leave that up to you to speculate that amount) plus costs and attorney’s fees.

Gizmodo is banking on public opinion being in their favor but a line crossed is a line crossed. That phone represented millions in R&D and Apple has every right to control how its products are unveiled to the market. While we all enjoyed getting a sneak peak at the new phone, Gizmodo did this to make money and now they want to pretend they were just doing a public service. This ain’t no WikiLeaks video.
 
My sources are telling me that the finder of the iPhone made little attempt to return the iPhone. Grey contacted the bar several times about the iPhone.
 
More memory? Faster processor? More storage? Double the screen resolution? Better camera? Flash for camera? Front facing camera? Faster processor? Possibly camera shutter buttons using volume? >20% better battery life?

What is it you were looking for, dude?

Plus, it doesn't look like a piece of jewelry
 
I have questions for any knowledgeable California lawyers on the thread:

1. I see the criminal statute that provides a "reasonable and just" standard for the level of effort to be made by finders of lost property to restore it to its true owner, and;

2. I see the provisions of California Civil Code § 2080 - 2082 that provide a very specific and detailed process for the finder to follow, including turning the property over to the police or other designated authority.

In a criminal proceeding what weight, if any, would the finder of fact be charged to accord the Civil Code standard in determining whether the defendant met the criminal statute standard? Is there any separate sanction for violating the Civil Code standard? Is violation of the Civil Code standard dispositive of the question of the adequacy of the effort in the context of a civil suit for conversion?
 
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