Apple Denied Request to Ban Tax Protestors From Its Stores in France

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The High Court of Paris on Friday denied Apple's request for an injunction that would have blocked activist group Attac from protesting at the company's retail stores across France, as it has been doing for the past several months.

    Attac activists protesting at an Apple Store in France via Libération

    The order states that the mere presence of protesters at Apple's stores in France, without violence, vandalism, or customers being blocked from entering the premises, is not enough to justify limiting the group's rights to freedom of expression and freedom of peaceful assembly protected by human rights laws in Europe.

    The court added that Attac acted in accordance with the European Union's Statutes of the Association, and defined the protests as a matter of public interest. Apple has been ordered to pay 2,000 euros to cover Attac's legal fees, according to the order, which was earlier reported by French website MacGeneration.

    Attac is a voluntary association that has been accusing Apple of corporate tax evasion in Europe, in line with the European Commission ordering Ireland to recover around 13 billion euros in back taxes from the iPhone maker in 2016. Apple and Ireland have denied the accusations and are appealing the decision.

    Apple previously said it has "a long tradition of supporting individuals and groups that peacefully express their opinions," but it accused Attac's activists of "vandalizing shops and endangering the security of staff and customers," which it finds unacceptable, according to court documents obtained by The Guardian.

    During a stunt at an Apple store in Aix-en-Provence last November, for example, activists painted "pay your taxes" on the glass windows. Attac also gathered in front of the High Court of Paris last week with Stormtrooper costumes and Star Wars-themed signs that equated Apple to the evil Galactic Empire.

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    Attac has a different view. In a blog post published today, the association said it is "defending the public interest" with "non-violent citizen actions," and it has previously called its actions "festive and good-natured."

    Apple has yet to comment on today's decision, and it's unclear if it will exercise other legal options in its fight against Attac.

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  2. CerebralX, Feb 23, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2018

    CerebralX macrumors 6502


    Jun 28, 2013
    Looking for a place of freedom and rationality
    I'm all for freedom of speech and the right to protest but this is vandalism, I also find these protesters to be a bunch of moral high grounders. They don't know what's actually happening behind the scenes.
  3. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    Not relevant, fact is you have freedom of speech in Europe, glad the judge denied Apple's request.
  4. indychris macrumors 6502


    Apr 19, 2010
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Hey, if Tim is going to continually play the moral protest game himself, then what's good for the goose...
  5. gaximus macrumors 6502a

    Oct 11, 2011
    Wouldn't they just need to prove that their not "peaceful protests". Just need to get pictures or video of the vandalism
  6. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
    I’m conflicted on this. I believe in free speech, but if these protesters are disrupting service and affecting sales, I feel like Apple has the right to tell them to leave.
  7. Noctilux.95 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 20, 2010
    Tim is very liberal when it comes to social freedoms but extremely right wing when it comes to protecting his money. Its nice to have it both ways, huh Tim?
  8. miniroll32 macrumors 65816


    Mar 28, 2010
    And Apple would never take the moral high ground, would they?
  9. SWC macrumors 6502

    Jan 6, 2004
    So in France its ok to vandalize private property as long as you claim that it is in peaceful protest. Got it.
  10. Orlandoech macrumors 68040


    Jun 2, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Couldn't agree more. It's pathetic. Anything to protect his $ and his shareholders, unless those views are in any way, shape, or form conservative.
  11. QCassidy352 macrumors G4


    Mar 20, 2003
    Bay Area
    It’s mind boggling to me that “freedom of speech” could be construed to allow a bunch of jackasses to disrupt business in a privately owned establishment. In the US, these morons would be facing trespassing and vandalism charges, and rightfully so.

    Edit: after rereading, it’s unclear to me whether they were in the stores or on the public sidewalk, which makes ALL the difference. If they were outside, then they’re fine. If inside, arrest ‘em. The vandalism is a crime either way.
  12. Saipher macrumors demi-god


    Oct 25, 2014
  13. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    So, if I understand correctly you find painting on a window "vandalising", guess what, you can wash that off in no time.
  14. wigby macrumors 68000

    Jun 7, 2007
    It's also pretty easy to get protesters to act violently when you physically remove them from a space.
    The problem Apple faces is that they also allow and encourage other forms of non-violent protest in their own stores (at least in the U.S. they have). So Apple wants to pick and choose their causes but that opens them up others to get into the door.
  15. dan9700 Suspended


    May 28, 2015
    Activists are a cult that are a bunch of sheeps that just protest for the sake of it, morons
  16. AJ5790 macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2016
    You also have freedom to vandalize businesses?
  17. radiology macrumors 6502


    Feb 11, 2014
    Westlake, OH
    Sweet! Freedom of speech prevailed! Isn’t Apple all about that these days?
  18. QCassidy352 macrumors G4


    Mar 20, 2003
    Bay Area
    No, actually, it doesn’t, at least under US law. In the US, a business (and any private entity) absolutely can engage in viewpoint discrimination. Perhaps France has some kind of “equal time” for private entities - I don’t know.
  19. Glmnet1 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 21, 2017
    I'm pretty sure you would call it vandalizing if it was done on your windows, no matter how easy it is to wash it off.
  20. paulvee macrumors regular


    Jun 23, 2003
    What a well-thought out, nuanced, intelligent statement.
  21. Gorms macrumors 6502


    Aug 30, 2012
    Mentioned this last time there was an article on it. You don't step on the French's right to protest. Mostly because it just won't work. You can take them to court and the judge will take one look at you, one look at the protesters, tear off his wig, tie you up, and start waving a placard too.

    It's a beautiful thing.
  22. bruinsrme macrumors 603


    Oct 26, 2008
    I would imagine you would simply shrug it off, break out the cleaning goods you had to purchase and clean up someone else’s act against your property.
    Or would that be different
  23. AppleFan91 macrumors 68000


    Sep 11, 2012
    Indy, US
    Interesting. I know they’d lose in the US for writing on the windows. That’s considered vandalism. Easy to wash off? Sure, but it’s still vandalism
  24. tigres macrumors 601


    Aug 31, 2007
    Land of the Free-Waiting for Term Limits
    so they can legally paint on Apple's property?
  25. tkukoc macrumors 65816


    Sep 16, 2014
    Wish I Was In Space!
    I'm all for free speech but painting stuff on someone's windows isn't ok. Do your speeches and chants, have signs but painting those signs on property you don't own.. ah that's craziness.

    Wonder how many of those people have Apple products on them or at home? lol

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