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Apple Denies Knowledge of NSA's iPhone Spying Program
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Thanks for telling us how it is, dude guy. You're so cool.
Hey, no problem. If you want my autograph picture. It's $9.99 per copy. Let me know. Bit don't email or text, tell ya what, don't even worry about it. I don't want the NSA tracking me.
BTW, I think you're cool too.
Doesn't the IRS already have most of that?
My biggest objection to this is that I don't want "heroes" like Snowden absconding to China and Russia with my personal info.
The difference with Google and others is (1) i can opt-out, and (2) they provide me with a direct quid-pro-quo service.
(1) you aren't required to use google. you can use duckduckgo.com and serve your own email. no need for gmail, no need for anything. You don't have to use it; and if you don't use it then they have nothing on you. And even when you do use it, you can opt-out of certain tracking features. Is there an NSA opt-out?
(2) with google, it's a trade: users use google and in exchange get an awesome search engine; or they use gmail and in exchange get 10GB of awesome indexed and well organized email storage. It's a trade: read my emails, but provide me with an excellent service. If gmail sucked, nobody would make this trade. If one day there is another webmail provider that is better, we will all migrate to that; we have a choice. Can I choose to be monitored by another spy agency?
terrorism is just their excuse. just like wmd was the excuse to go into iraq. if you haven't done anything wrong, why are you not entitled to privacy?
Which is illegal, and which is why we should have arrest warrants in the EU against any NSA employee.
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No difference between that and one of the millions of phones with a jailbreak. Maybe we even have posts on MacRumors where someone says Apple refused to do some work on a phone because of a jailbreak, when they didn't actually jailbreak their phone.
My guess is that the NSA got a court-order to force Apple to write this BS, the same way they forced Lavabit to keep quiet about the reason for its sudden shut-down.
So yes, Apple are lying, but we cannot really blame them. I think.
So yes, Apple are lying, but we cannot really blame them. I think.
The thing is, the government is big and out of control. To think otherwise is also foolish, but to worry that the 99%+ of the general population (which of course includes a lot of government employees, military and otherwise) is either interested in what you're doing or wanting to "take over" control of your life is just common paranoia.
People watch too many movies and think there are men in black spying on them and ready willing and able to come get them for no reason. When people give examples of what happened to some poor schmuck put on a no-fly list, it's not put into context of the millions of people who fly each day without incident. Like getting struck by lightning, your chance of being put on a no-fly list is extremely minuscule - statistically insignificant.
The government (federal, state and local) still has a hard time finding real criminals and dead beat dads (as an example) - people who actually have done something wrong - why do you think that all of a sudden the NSA or another agency is going to "figure it all out" and start hauling people away?
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Entitlement - that is exactly what a lot of people think, that they're entitled to this or that. To have a society run, you have to have enough people participate collectively. There was a time when people (pick your country and time frame, because it's happened all over the world) banded together make society better.
It feels like a lot of people now want to opt out of society, or at least the parts that are tougher to deal with - and simply take advantage of the things they want to take from society (what they're entitled to), like healthcare, education, fire protection, road building and maintenance, garbage collection, etc.
This entitlement without giving back something to society is a slippery slope to a society filled with people who only think of themselves and see others not like them as bad. It's sad that it's come to this for so many people.
None of the documents indicate the cooperation of Apple or any other producer in these activities. The installation of software or modification could be done through interception at customs offices or elsewhere.
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What a load of nonsense for which you have no proof. If there were a court order, then it would be public, so why don't you go and track it down and back up your claims.
I'm not saying Apple is innocent, but just making up nonsense doesn't bring any value to this whole conversation.
Are you sure it would be available to be public, even when it's from the not-so-secret-anymore intelligence court?
FYI, this is a special court whose decisions are classified, which is why the Lavabit founder was not even allowed to discuss his case with his attorney, let alone publish the order.It's true that I have no evidence for my guess, but why would I need that? Since I no longer have any confidence in the U.S. government, I for one do not trust any company within its jurisdiction either wrt. privacy, and neither should you. Unless anyone proves me wrong, I'll think the worst of Apple, Google and Microsoft wrt. the matters at hand. Given my desire for privacy, I have valid reasons to do so, the same way the authorities (esp. the NSA) thinks the worst about you and me for the sake of their own security.
Apple have lied about such matters before. Now, they're lying again.
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I know, it really disgusts me how these people argument. I wonder how they would react if they would be the target of accusations without proof.
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If? IF??? The government already treats an entire nation like terrorists by spying on its own citizens, and you're talking about me targeting the government for accusations without proof?
Btw, I was once wrongfully accused with the theft of 2000 dollars. When it turned out that the money had not even disappeared in the first place (technical problems caused the error), my boss didn't even apologize, nor did he inform the police that I was innocent, and he ordered me to shut up about the whole thing. It was a traumatic experience, so I know what it's like. But in this case, I don't feel bad about posting speculations about Apple giving in to such pressure from the government, which includes not only the facilitation of surveillance, but also about covering it up to keep it secret. Apple have formerly demonstrated their inclinations to do both.
It's not that important. What good is there in my ass being safe when Uncle Sam has a colonoscope up there?
I guess following the constitution isn't really that important.
Guess we know why Apple has been so hot to patch Jailbreaking into oblivion. I can only imagine how easy it has been for the NSA to do the same things on Android devices.
Did anyone bother to actually read the available details? The primary way the NSA was getting their acess was by first getting PHYSICAL access to the device. Just like any common thief, hacker, or criminal. Just like most Jailbreaks require Physical access to the iPhone. This included interception of the physical unit being shipped to a "person of interest".
However remember those Jailbreaks that didn't exactly require physical access and could be done through a website? Same or similar methods of remote attack or social engineering are most likely what the NSA documention was talking about perusing as a method of "remote" access.
The NSA was the most well organized and funded Jailbreakers.
Personally I find this kind of intrusion and data gathering as well as many of the other things the NSA have gotten up to be reprehensible and unconstitutional... Although to be fair... Americas voted for this. After 9-11 "we" all but screemed at the Government to "make us safe" and "get them towel heads!" We told our congressmen to vote in laws to make it so. We told the president at the time to do whatever he felt like in this regard. "We" put on the blindfold, handed them them bat, and "trusted" them not to whack us in the junk. Well, they almost right away went to whack us in the junk. And it wasn't until someone had the balls to blow the whistle that they were whacking us in the junk, did the average American care.
So... "we" vote for this. Those of us who told you the Patriot Act was a BAD idea and that we would all regret it are vindicated, and we are all regretting it. So the next time the Government asks for permission to have a near blank check to "find the enemy" of the momment, we need to say NO. But we won't. We never have and we never will. It doesn't matter the political party, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Independent, Tea, they'll all do it.
Did anyone bother to actually read the available details? The primary way the NSA was getting their acess was by first getting PHYSICAL access to the device. Just like any common thief, hacker, or criminal. Just like most Jailbreaks require Physical access to the iPhone. This included interception of the physical unit being shipped to a "person of interest".
However remember those Jailbreaks that didn't exactly require physical access and could be done through a website? Same or similar methods of remote attack or social engineering are most likely what the NSA documention was talking about perusing as a method of "remote" access.
The NSA was the most well organized and funded Jailbreakers.
Personally I find this kind of intrusion and data gathering as well as many of the other things the NSA have gotten up to be reprehensible and unconstitutional... Although to be fair... Americas voted for this. After 9-11 "we" all but screemed at the Government to "make us safe" and "get them towel heads!" We told our congressmen to vote in laws to make it so. We told the president at the time to do whatever he felt like in this regard. "We" put on the blindfold, handed them them bat, and "trusted" them not to whack us in the junk. Well, they almost right away went to whack us in the junk. And it wasn't until someone had the balls to blow the whistle that they were whacking us in the junk, did the average American care.
So... "we" vote for this. Those of us who told you the Patriot Act was a BAD idea and that we would all regret it are vindicated, and we are all regretting it. So the next time the Government asks for permission to have a near blank check to "find the enemy" of the momment, we need to say NO. But we won't. We never have and we never will. It doesn't matter the political party, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Independent, Tea, they'll all do it.
regret the inconvenience"
Security researcher Jacob Appelbaum dropped a bombshell of sorts earlier this week when he accused American tech companies of placing government-friendly backdoors in their devices. Now Texas-based Dell Computers is offering an apology.
Or to put it more accurately, Dell told an irate customer on Monday that they “regret the inconvenience” caused by selling to the public for years a number of products that the intelligence community has been able to fully compromise in complete silence up until this week.
http://rt.com/usa/dell-appelbaum-30c3-apology-027/
What's new?
I just wonder when we the people will wake/respond.
No surprise here
Qwest is one that comes to mind.
Hey it's only a job right.
Security researcher Jacob Appelbaum dropped a bombshell of sorts earlier this week when he accused American tech companies of placing government-friendly backdoors in their devices. Now Texas-based Dell Computers is offering an apology.
Or to put it more accurately, Dell told an irate customer on Monday that they “regret the inconvenience” caused by selling to the public for years a number of products that the intelligence community has been able to fully compromise in complete silence up until this week.
http://rt.com/usa/dell-appelbaum-30c3-apology-027/
What's new?
I just wonder when we the people will wake/respond.
No surprise here
Qwest is one that comes to mind.
Hey it's only a job right.
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This is the Mr. Smith, before he went to Washington. ;-)
<Dig into the IMDB for clues.>
Entitlement is an issue with the U.S. but entitlement to privacy is guaranteed by the bill of rights. But that stupid thing's all "outdated" and stuff... /government