Apple Denies Report Claiming Chinese Spies Planted Microchips in iCloud Servers

[AdonisSMU]

Russiagate screechers have no platform to stand on saying China isn’t a threat

Just like people saying the term fake news is fake news, are in a pickle as well


You don’t see the hypocrisy because liberals never acknowledge holes in their logic or a complete lack of logic all together. The echo chambers thicken and the introspection diminishes to none.

I’ll bet you attribute the 2018 booming economy to Obama t’ing it up for his beloved friend Trump, and any unsuccessful things as a result of trump too. Selectively pick and choose what’s good and what’s not on behalf of your party and previously failed podium politicians.

Keep up the good
Work!

That’s bs. Liberals acknowledge holes in logic all the time. Conservatives ignore the fact that liberals ever acknowledge the holes in their own logic so they can paint liberals as dishonest. The truth is liberals acknowledge their flaws and work to correct it whereas conservatives double down trying to keep things as they are or make them like they used to be.

I believe the report. Secondly I think Apple need to diversify back to the US and other western countries where most of its product is sold.

 

[cmaier]

No, that’s now how the first amendment works. Do you even know what it says before spewing it out?

That’s exactly how it works. You cannot compel speech. It’s called the Compelled Speech Doctrine. The first Supreme Court case on it was
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

 

[tromboneaholic]

Am I gonna just keep repeating myself?

You guys are adamant russiagate is real. Media doesn’t talk about it anymore because they’re out of steam making a story out of nothing. America rejected Hillary Clinton. Had nothing to do with Russia. But keep believing that if it helps you get over the 2016 election which it
Clearly Doesn’t

Fake news itself is fake news. But yet you say this article is fake news because your emotions and brand loyalty tell you it must be.

People that hold these clearly conflicting views have less than no credibility. So please keep going on about it or how the simple hypocrisy I’m pointing out is incomprehensible.

You guys?

Why use a straw man argument if your point has any merit?

 

[Jago]

Security is such a difficult problem faced by every company. I'd hate to be the one responsible to make sure we aren't breached!

It's basically one of the most rewarding things you can do in IT. Both as a mental challenge as well as regarding financial compensation.

 

[cmaier]

No, that’s not how the first amendment works. Do you even know what it says before spewing it out?

“If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

More recently, in Rumsfeld v. Forum for Academic and Institutional Rights (2006), Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. reiterated the essence of the compelled speech principle: “Some of this Court’s leading First Amendment precedents have established the principle that freedom of speech prohibits the government from telling people what they must say.”

The Court also employed the compelled speech doctrine in Wooley v. Maynard (1977) to rule that state officials could not punish a man for covering the state’s motto — “Live Free or Die” — on his license plate. Chief Justice Warren E. Burger declared, “The right to speak and the right to refrain from speaking are complementary components of the broader concept of ‘individual freedom of mind.’ ”

 

[thadoggfather]

You guys?

Why use a straw man argument if your point has any merit?

Now it’s an isolating race thing bc you know I’m onto your illogical “logic” ? Hahaha!!

You guys as in logic defying liberals holding conflicting views in the same sentence. Yes those guys.

 

[cmaier]

No, that’s not how the first amendment works. Do you even know what it says before spewing it out?

Go to law school and come back when you’re done.

 

[max.ine]

I have no idea what the people on this forum are on about half the time. Every time there’s a political story featured on MR it devolves into the same old “liberals vs conservatives” bollocks which accomplishes absolutely nothing and is completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

 

[udayan81]

So you don't live in China, are not affected by this story, and have a political axe to grind. Got it.

Don't bother about him. That's a typical Trump supporter grumbling. Once they say such blanket statements "liberals do this..that".. these guys lose all credibility, they have no proper arguments to support , just hate statements.

 

[magicschoolbus]

So, what data of mine was China able to get its hold of?

This is only going to get worse.

 

[jav6454]

That’s exactly how it works. You cannot compel speech. It’s called the Compelled Speech Doctrine. The first Supreme Court case on it was
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I don’t see how asking about to allegedly lie breaks a 1st amendment. After all Apple is not a person, well, maybe a judicial entity. Carry on...

 

[cmaier]

So, what data of mine was China able to get its hold of?

This is only going to get worse.

None. Not from Apple at least.

 

[tromboneaholic]

You guys as in logic defying liberals holding conflicting views in the same sentence. Yes those guys.

What gave you the idea that I'm liberal?

 

[cmaier]

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I don’t see how asking about to allegedly lie breaks a 1st amendment. After all Apple is not a person, well, maybe a judicial entity. Carry on...

Corporations are treated more or less as people when it comes to the first amendment. The main difference is purely commercial speech can be regulated.
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“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I don’t see how asking about to allegedly lie breaks a 1st amendment. After all Apple is not a person, well, maybe a judicial entity. Carry on...

By the way, see the Citizens United case re first amendment rights of corporations. It’s quite famous.

 

[AdonisSMU]

That’s not the issue. The issue is Supply Chain and workforce. Being in China, Apple is able to quickly access a massive workforce quickly during ramp up dates.

Furthermore, the world’s supply chain for technology is main focused in China. Many (over 90%) of the components are made in China. Hence logistics wise it makes sense.

Apple already tried to make iPhones cheaper somewhere else and failed due to those restrictions. There is a reason why the Brazilian or Indian iPhone are the same or a bit more expensive than the Chinese made iPhone.

they need to try again. Additionally there needs to be more suppliers of iPhone parts in the US. The problem is the US doesn’t have the resources and the US hasn’t been in the manufacturing/assembly game in awhile. Would take a significant amount of government and corporate investment to make such things happen.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Am I gonna just keep repeating myself?

You guys are adamant russiagate is real. Media doesn’t talk about it anymore because they’re out of steam making a story out of nothing. America rejected Hillary Clinton. Had nothing to do with Russia. But keep believing that if it helps you get over the 2016 election which it
Clearly Doesn’t

Fake news itself is fake news. But yet you say this article is fake news because your emotions and brand loyalty tell you it must be.

People that hold these clearly conflicting views have less than no credibility. So please keep going on about it or how the simple hypocrisy I’m pointing out is incomprehensible.

Russiagate is fake. Yes it’s annoying how many believe it, but not a fan of your China Apple conspiracy

 

[krause734]

Plot twist: Trump just moved all the top secret military data to iCloud. Sad!

 

[cmaier]

Russiagate is fake. Yes it’s annoying how many believe it, but not a fan of your China Apple conspiracy

There was collusion. Don jr admits he went to a meeting to get dirt on Hillary as “part of Russia’s support for trump” the amount of goalpost moving is extraordinary. In any other presidency that would have been a terminating scandal.

 

[coolbreeze]

Apple should use their Trillion dollars and set up shop in another country or just buy or create their own. They need to be less dependent on Chinese manufacturing because this is only going to get worse.

Which is exactly what President Trump has been trying to do. Something tells me Dianne Feinstein and her ties to China disagree. Nobody should be shocked; sad. Your beloved telephone is not as secure as you think it is.

 

[cmaier]

they need to try again. Additionally there needs to be more suppliers of iPhone parts in the US. The problem is the US doesn’t have the resources and the US hasn’t been in the manufacturing/assembly game in awhile. Would take a significant amount of government and corporate investment to make such things happen.

I’d much rather have the design and engineering jobs than the manufacturing jobs that are all going to be replaced with robots anyway.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Which is exactly what President Trump has been trying to do. Something tells me Dianne Feinstein and her ties to China disagree. Nobody should be shocked; sad. Your beloved telephone is not as secure as you think it is.

If our phones are not secure in the US, it's not due to China.

 

[groadyho]

Once again the right starts attacking the Liberals. Don't you righties ever get sick of the hating, the way it eats at your guts? The right needs to find some Jesus or whatever helps your soul

 

[A MacBook lover]

There was collusion. Don jr admits he went to a meeting to get dirt on Hillary as “part of Russia’s support for trump” the amount of goalpost moving is extraordinary. In any other presidency that would have been a terminating scandal.

No there wasn’t. There is still no hard evidence. The media being loud doesn’t constitute anything to happen.

 

[DNichter]

Seems reasonable to me on Apple's part. This is the type of stuff Apple has built their reputation on, I certainly wouldn't expect them to lie about it. Too much at stake.

 

[bluecoast]

So Apple just made a materially false statement. With no wiggle room. Risking a billion dollar sec fine. Sure.

OK, that's a fair point.

Mind you, Bloomberg do seem to be very sure of this.

I'm not American, but could it be that they've been asked to say nothing by the CIA/FBI on this as 'investigations are ongoing'?

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, nor am I wanting to make out that Apple (or any of the other companies) are liars, I'm just musing over what could've happened.