Not from what I read. From what I read the ASR is actually just an installer. I want to use my own images not deploy an in place updater.
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Not from what I read. From what I read the ASR is actually just an installer. I want to use my own images not deploy an in place updater.
The price is now more in-line with the quality of Apple's server products.Mac OS X Server has always been crap, and I really don't expect Lion Server to be any better.
Um have you ever USED OSX server? Its actually pretty awesome. Although I do the support for the Windows servers at work and don't often get to nose in the Mac side of the house I know that their server problems and server down time has been zero for the past year. I can't say the same about the side I support.
That being said the Windows side has a lot more servers and a lot more users but it still doesn't negate the fact that there were zero problems in a year. Thats amazing to me.
Well, that much can be done as it says in the article. Use System Image Utility and create a NetInstall/NetRestore image.
I read something about this, but I don't have any use/desire for a restore partition. I want to manually backup, then perform a 100% clean install (with all of my space) and I'll "restore" items manually as desired. I'm one of the few that want *absolutely no assistance* (or cruft).
Where does it say that Lion Server doesn't require Snow Leopard Server? I have read the document and couldn't find that information...
Thats fine but what the PDF is not saying is what is it. Will I get a DMG of the actual OS or am I just going to be deploying an in place upgrade. All I want is a DMG of the OS Installer so I can deploy it with Casper. I don't want to use the App nor do I want to use Netinstall. We do diskless netboot as do most of the Mac enterprises.
Mac App store is great... but I have to agree here. This is indeed a complete disaster.
The thing you download from the app store is an installer, but there's a dmg that you can extract. I'm guessing System Image Utility will do this without having to open up the package yourself.
Except then you have one licensed copy and nine pirated ones. As far as I know, the App Store doesn't allow you to buy the same app multiple times so I'm not sure how you'd buy ten licences in this case.
Really? I guess maybe I just have a unique experience then : / The guy who manages them doesn't even work in the building since there is no need for him to be there all day. They just call him if something happens. He does come in weekly though to check on things.
Yes... I have used multiple versions of Mac OS X Server (10.3 and 10.4 server), and abandoned it because they were so buggy.
Windows Server is extremely stable. Sorry you had issues, but at my work, we run a ton of them and don't experience the kind of downtime you're speaking of.
Lion is becoming a kind of boondoggle. Apple is going in the right direction, but they make it difficult for most people to jump on board. It's almost like they truly want to limit sales of their next OS.
Thats great.
Where does it say that. Thats my problem Apple isn't telling me the things I need to know. How am I suppose to tell my boss "Oh yeah new OS coming out its suppose to do this and that but we don't know because all Apple says is the little blurb that tells us nothing."
As for the App store, Enterprises can't use it because of licensing.
100% truth. This is what I see in my environment. I have been an OSX Server admin going on 6 years and PC servers for about 2-3. OSX Server has really no use for Enterprises except for Pushing MCX's and OD (if you are brave enough to rely on OD.)
Apparently I have a unique situation as one other poster pointed out. They said their OSX servers were tempermental and were surprised ours had zero issues.
EDIT: Ours are running snow leopard server so maybe that has something to do with it?
What? You would be buying a business license, you are allowed to do this.
Anyway, for home users, you can also install it on any mac that uses your AppleID.
I created an account just to make this same reply. No serious IT guy is going to carry around DVDs. I have not used a DVD to restore an image in a LONG time. Are these people PeeCee IT guys that need a DVD to restore? As mentioned, restore the Disk Image using Disk Utility to any drive, boot holding Option. You are done in 20 minutes. You can do clean installs and everything from it.
Yes the App Store method was a nightmare for Developers getting the Beta version, but retail Apps are a breeze.
As long as you can create a Deploy Studio/Netboot image from it, which you can, real IT guys will be happy.
Please explain how you create Images now. I have created images for over 20 Schools and businesses, not once did I waste my time using DVD/CDs. Maybe I am a rare IT guy that doesn't want to spend all day running up the meter setting a computer up.
In conclusion Apple is brilliant. I knew DVD media was going away, I thought for sure Final Cut Studio 3 was going to be Flash Drive based. The first thing I do when I get software is make a disk image of it, and put it on a drive. Apple is saving me a step. Thank you!
Also great for real IT guys, when there is an OS update we can download a new FULL INSTALL to, 10.7.5 for example, instead of installing to 10.7 then running updates and so forth. Apple can easily post a new version to download from the App Store. No need to have multiple partitions for various processors etc.
Apologies for disrupting the negative feedback here. But Apple is doing a great thing, pushing new technology. Maybe you should push your hate at your crappy ISP service that is stealing your money giving you 3down/.5up.
I am an Apple Certified System Administrator, I have been doing this awhile and see this as a huge plus for us.
But what is so exciting about OS 10.6 Snow Leopard? I only use it because I have to use on my 17" Intel MacBook Pro so to keep things the same I also did on my Intel Mac Pro. May Mac Users do not make every OS change. I usually do buying on the first day, installing on a spare partition, running in this test mode until the programs need to use will work, I also keep the old in case I have to go back.
But most people probably just use one OS version & use the same test there that they do with their other software, is the change worth the $s, time & effort needed to get it to work. Many of these did not deem OS 10.6 Snow Leopard worth the total cost of change. Why should they be required to purchase a version os a program or OS that they will not be using?
To be fair to you though, it depends on what the server is doing. In an environment where the server is getting some good use it appears Xserve and OSX server just can't cut it. We were running an Xserve using tomcat, apache, and netboot only and it would just cave in on us all the time. Now we run our app on Windows 2008R2 and Netboot on a Mini with OSX server. Haven't had a problem since (except with Netbooting every now and then.)
The one thing OSX server does allow, is giving anyone the sensation of being a server admin. Temporarily of course.
*Sigh* I wish we could do away with optical media but the way our stuff was set up we have to use boot disks to image new machines. Some idiot long ago told higher ups it was the "only secure way to do things" and we can't persuade them to change it. (Thats what happens when non IT people get IT positions!) This is Windows though not Mac. I don't often get to mess with the Macs at work. They are all fairly new so they may do something else.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/07/how-to-burn-a-lion-boot-disc/
The reason Apple doesn't tell you this is that they want you to "use the System Image Utility included in OS X Lion Server to create a NetInstall or NetRestore image."
I think some confusion is coming from the use of "restore partition". I know it is/was for me. "Restore" connotes the backing up of old items for restoration later. Most people in that particular "group" don't care about the actual media so much as being able to completely wipe their HD and reinstall.