Why am I being forced to use System Image utility though. I don't want to make a monolithic image I want a Modular image.
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Apple Details Lion Purchase Process for Business and Education
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Why am I being forced to use System Image utility though. I don't want to make a monolithic image I want a Modular image.
Can't they just do the business volume license at $30, which is a price decrease then? That being said, most educational Macs I've used had iWork (and iLife), so this will save money for those people, too.
On a related note, this is a significant price decline for OS X Server, and I'm thrilled. It's basically $80 now (less if you've already purchased Lion with the same Apple ID and also less if you install the legally now-allowed more-than-one copy), which is less than "regular" OS X was before Snow Leopard. Now I can afford it for my Mac mini "server" (I have an Ubuntu VM set up on it now but would really like iCal Server in particular) without actually buying the Mac mini server.
Yeah there's no way in hell I'm just going to "upgrade" to Lion without doing a clean install first. If it's as simple as downloading it once and being able to run it from a flash drive, then I'd be perfectly happy with that.
Our stuff is used in the media section of the house. I am not sure exactly what all the Mac servers do because although I'd love to work on that side to gain more experience with OSX server there just isn't justification for an extra position over there. I know they use the Wiki and iCal functions of the servers and the storage and backup for any media projects is handled by them but its for a small group of roughly 50 people. Beyond that I have no idea what all goes on with them. I would assume its fairly basic usage. (Although there is 6 or 7 servers in there for 50 people so maybe they do more then I think they do).
I still think OSX Lion for $50 is a steal and will be downloading it simply for learning purposes
Bottom line is this, Apple is yet again saying F-U to the enterprise. Apple sat here a year ago and promised us new servers, new support, blah blah blah we just needed to purchase a certain amount of servers and service to be eligible. We spent close to 250,000 on Apple Infrastructure and 2 weeks later they killed the server. Apple has no roadmap and doesn't give a rats ass about enterprises. Thats why I am saying nowhere does it say what Apple will give us and that scares me because Apple has lied to our faces multiple times. I want to know exactly what I get and what I can do with it so I can get my infrastructure ready. We are one of Apple's biggest clients.
I hate to say it but your company is throwing money away if they are using Xserves for just iCal (CalDAV) and Wiki + Storage. They could use the existing PC Storage infrastructure and purchase ExtremeZI-P. Way better than any Xserve.
If they keep using standard media (DVD's) to deploy the OS, how do you expect technology to evolve? This is a great move for Apple. It's time to get it in gear and make cloud computing the future and regular media a thing of the past.
According to the linked PDF you need to buy 20 copies for the business licence, and the original question was about installing it on 10 machines. not 20.
As far as I'm aware, you're not allowed to use the "home version" in a commercial environment, but apologies if I'm mistaken. (Edit: See below).
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Apple's distribution plans for Lion are just unacceptable. My primary workstation is a MacBook owned by the company, but the App Store account on the system is my own. Regardless of the difficulty that alone brings, a downloadable-only distribution means I don't have a bootable disk for emergency repairs... I don't have a bootable DVD with hardware diagnostics... and frankly I know we live in a high-bandwidth world now, but every time I rebuild a system I don't want to have to install an OLD operating system in order to THEN update to the CURRENT operating system. This is the kind of junk I've seen Microsoft do with Windows 7 upgrades -- first install Windows XP on your computer, then install the Windows 7 upgrade. No, no, no! I erase the hard drive and do a CLEAN install of the CURRENT system. I don't care if it's a DVD or a USB drive or a 6-pack of CDs -- I don't care if costs $29 per station to do it -- but I MUST HAVE an individual bootable media for each computer I work with. This online distribution system had better not replace conventional business practices. Apple needs to think this through again.
Apple's distribution plans for Lion are just unacceptable. My primary workstation is a MacBook owned by the company, but the App Store account on the system is my own. Regardless of the difficulty that alone brings, a downloadable-only distribution means I don't have a bootable disk for emergency repairs... I don't have a bootable DVD with hardware diagnostics... and frankly I know we live in a high-bandwidth world now, but every time I rebuild a system I don't want to have to install an OLD operating system in order to THEN update to the CURRENT operating system. This is the kind of junk I've seen Microsoft do with Windows 7 upgrades -- first install Windows XP on your computer, then install the Windows 7 upgrade. No, no, no! I erase the hard drive and do a CLEAN install of the CURRENT system. I don't care if it's a DVD or a USB drive or a 6-pack of CDs -- I don't care if costs $29 per station to do it -- but I MUST HAVE an individual bootable media for each computer I work with. This online distribution system had better not replace conventional business practices. Apple needs to think this through again.
No. it's like if you own a Sun (now "Oracle") server. They will have an engineer at your sire within one hour. Of course I'm joking. Apple can't offer fast on-site 24x7 service. For that you need a "real" server company.
You are a moderator, and think there is a home version of OS X?
Let's look at version matrix of OS X.......
Because copy and license don't mean the same thing.
You are licensed to install it on your personal Macs for home use.
In corporate and business installations, you're not. Each computer must have a separate license.
Yes, you can install as many copies on as many computers as you want. But that's theft without the appropriate license.
You are a moderator, and think there is a home version of OS X?
Let's look at version matrix of OS X.......
He's talking about licenses. Edit; beaten.
Generally, no; Apple treats education completely differently than anyone else. That may be a question for an institution's Apple inside sales rep whether that is a possibility or not.
There are a few other nasty caveats with the AELP and the Mac software pack:
- you must cover 100% of your install base. You cannot pick and choose which machines to license. It's all or nothing.
- there is a first year, 10% enrollment fee.
On another note, I'm really curious what they plan to do in retail stores once Lion is released. Are they seriously going to keep stock of Snow Leopard and make people install that just to then download and install Lion? That is really inelegant (to put it mildly).
Actually, that's not true. Phil Schiller mentioned in the WWDC keynote that when you purchase Lion you can "use it on all your personal authorized Macs, so you won't have to buy multiple copies". I think according to the Mac App Store rules, you can authorize up to 5 Macs.
Another thing is how can Apple just decide oh we are changing everything everyone get on board!!! Microsoft gave us a 3 year plan to migrate OS's and Apple just gave us a few weeks. Hate on Microsoft all you want but they actually provide us support and roadmaps so we aren't all running around like crazy trying to appease our 10,000+ clients.
This is why Apple is not enterprise friendly. While Lion Server is a nice price, the rollout for Lion will be a disaster for many IT people.
As a former IT Manager, I would be livid with this announcement. Imagine having a few hundred people with Macs and you have to install Lion on each machine via Internet!?! Ack! This means:
-No image deployment (not a HUGE deal but an inconvenience)
-No all-at-once department upgrade since it would kill network/Internet bandwidth.
-Sucks for users who aren't connected to the Internet. Believe me, many organizations have someone named Hazel sitting in some obscure corner of the publications department doing a task and she isn't connected to the Internet.
If it were me, I would push back the migration to Lion as far as possible or trickle it out over the next few years.
There is a reason volume licensing, volume imaging, and volume deployment exist. Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by not playing nicely with corporate customers.
Sadly, IT Managers that catch wind of this upgrade-only-via-Internet-per-machine crap will make sure the next person who suggestions an Apple Macintosh over a PC for a project is shot down faster than Flash on iOS.
I guess what makes me the most upset is that Apple could have really pushed for more integration into the Enterprise market as they have good software and quality products, but this is a major mistake.
-P
As a former IT Manager, I would be livid with this announcement. Imagine having a few hundred people with Macs and you have to install Lion on each machine via Internet!?! Ack! This means:
-No image deployment (not a HUGE deal but an inconvenience)
-No all-at-once department upgrade since it would kill network/Internet bandwidth.
-Sucks for users who aren't connected to the Internet. Believe me, many organizations have someone named Hazel sitting in some obscure corner of the publications department doing a task and she isn't connected to the Internet.
If it were me, I would push back the migration to Lion as far as possible or trickle it out over the next few years.
There is a reason volume licensing, volume imaging, and volume deployment exist. Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by not playing nicely with corporate customers.
Sadly, IT Managers that catch wind of this upgrade-only-via-Internet-per-machine crap will make sure the next person who suggestions an Apple Macintosh over a PC for a project is shot down faster than Flash on iOS.
I guess what makes me the most upset is that Apple could have really pushed for more integration into the Enterprise market as they have good software and quality products, but this is a major mistake.
-P
Bingo. Thats exactly what I think as well.
Exactly how I am feeling right now. We have a big enough problem now with Apple moving stuff to an App Store we simply can't use. Why would I license a copy of something to an employees iTunes account when it belong to us. Unacceptable.
They are no stranger to throwing away money
I think something else probably goes on because they have like 6 or 7 servers for 50 people so there is probably something I'm not seeing from my end that they use those things for. Too bad anything on the media side is always hush hush.
They are no stranger to throwing away money
Probably Final Cut Pro Server using the RAID and XSAN.