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Apple Details Lion Purchase Process for Business and Education

App Store download of installer for Mac OS X Lion for business and education

DerfBWH said:
App Store only
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Bear in mind, this is a business and education topic.

For an organisation: a single download is ideal, and the ease with which a major OS upgrade can be distributed and installed should be a dream come true.

If your Mac is neither owned nor managed by an organisation: bear in mind that the how to upgrade page is currently focused on day one. If you can't use the App Store, please send feedback to Apple.
 
yadmonkey said:
I'm trying to keep an open mind and reserve final judgement for when this all actually shakes out, but for now my gut says that I'd rather pay more for a DVD.

I like clean installs. Maybe I'm stuck in the past, but doing a clean install of 10.6 and then upgrading to 10.7 through an application just seems less clean. Add the third step for 10.7 server and it gets more cumbersome.
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You still can do a clean install. When you buy 10.7 from the App store, it downloads the installer, but it doesn't start the install right away.You can put it on a bootable USB stick. Boot from the USB stick, run the installer, wipe your internal HD and install.
 
Lion for Cash, Gift, ID?

So there will be no way to buy OS-X 10.7 for cash (unless "used" on the back-market maybe), even as a gift? And Apple has to have my machine, online, personal ID, financial & address information etc to make a sale? Gotta tell you, I value my privacy and that is just hideous. :mad:
 
Kar98 said:
What about them? The number of people that use 10.4 and 10.5 on their machines AND would/could upgrade to 10.7 has to be insignificant at this point in time for various reasons.
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Around 23% of Mac users are running 10.5 with about 6% using 10.4. If only a quarter of them want to upgrade to 10.7 that will leave 4 million disappointed when they find out they are out of luck.
 
I still am disappointed that people like developing countries which have lousy internet access will find it difficult to download Lion. Prices for internet access here are mad as well. So on top of the 29.99 you have to pay for the data transfer.
 
OllyW said:
Around 23% of Mac users are running 10.5 with about 6% using 10.4. If only a quarter of them want to upgrade to 10.7 that will leave 4 million disappointed when they find out they are out of luck.
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Dowload it in a mac with 10.6, copy it into a USB drive, copy the file in your computer, and then install.

For people outside USA, distributing OS X using the App Store is a bless. We can have the software the first day, and pay a similar price.
For Snow Leopard, the local store started selling it after 2 weeks, and the price was $49.
 
Lion Server requirements, Snow Leopard Server

petvas said:
Where does it say that Lion Server doesn't require Snow Leopard Server?
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In essence, regurgitating leaked information: Lion Server requires Lion.

Parallel to that: from a day one App Store purchase perspective, Lion Server requires Snow Leopard Server.

If the Apple hardware (or virtual machine) that you'll use for Lion Server already has a license for Snow Leopard Server, then I guess you should be able to install Lion (then Lion Server) without first installing any other system.

If you do already have Snow Leopard Server, then (unless advised otherwise by Apple) follow the upgrade path.
 
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Manderby said:
… DVD. In SnowLeopard, the whole update process required less than 3 minutes of my time.
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… including walking from machine to machine? How many machines? ;)

iBug2 said:
… a restore partition which the installer automatically creates. You may be able to delete that partition after the install …
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I should caution against removing any partition that is installed with the system.

Removing utilities and other software could present problems … maybe not immediately, but at some point in the future.

fat jez said:
basic packages have stupidly low bandwidth
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For your business or educational institution, invest in something more than basic.

Xenomorph said:
10.5 or even 10.4
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Please see Apple's web site. Get up to date with the latest version of OS X Snow Leopard …
 
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rdav said:
So there will be no way to buy OS-X 10.7 for cash (unless "used" on the back-market maybe), even as a gift? And Apple has to have my machine, online, personal ID, financial & address information etc to make a sale? Gotta tell you, I value my privacy and that is just hideous.
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Get someone else with a fast connection to install it for you using an account from an iTunes gift card. Apple gets none of your info.
 
OT: Recovery System for repair, recovery et cetera in Lion

macwinman said:
a downloadable-only distribution means I don't have a bootable disk for emergency repairs.
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For repairs, you will have: the Recovery System.

(If you're very unlucky — if your hard disk or SSD is damaged in a way that prevents use of the recovery system — then a separate DVD will probably not be capable of that type of repair.)
 
yadmonkey said:
How do you know people's upgrade intent? 10.5 may be nearing 4 years old, but 10.6 hasn't even been out for two years. There are a ton of Macs still running 10.5 and whether or not they intend to upgrade now, I have a feeling that iCloud services and the Mac App Store will eventually push a lot of them in that direction. 10.7 will offer a lot more temptation to 10.5 users than 10.6 ever did.
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I didn't say I KNEW anyone's intent. But do a very loose calculation.

25% of all Mac users (approximately) are still using Leopard. They won't all upgrade; about 7% of Mac users are still on Tiger even now. If that trend holds, then the ceiling for Leopard users upgrading is 18% of Mac users. Subtract a percentage that will buy a new machine in the next year or so and wouldn't get the upgrade right away because of that (say 5 points of that 18), and now only 13% of Mac users are both using Leopard and MAY want to upgrade. 10.7 may be more tempting, so call that 15%.

So, is it worth it to Apple to eat the cost of distributing discs to service that (approx.) 3 million machines? Probably not. They were willing to write off something like 15 million PPC machines over the 3 years of the Intel switch. That they would leave 3-4 million Leopard users behind with this upgrade should not surprise anyone.

No one really has any right to get upset about it either. Apple pushes system upgrades aggressively. This is NOT NEW. Those still on Leopard can bellyache about it all they like. Doesn't change anything.
 
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OllyW said:
Around 23% of Mac users are running 10.5 with about 6% using 10.4. If only a quarter of them want to upgrade to 10.7 that will leave 4 million disappointed when they find out they are out of luck.
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How many of them will be able to upgrade to Lion even if, and that's a big if, they wanted to?

Step 1: Make sure your Mac can run Lion.

"Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7 or Xeon processor to run Lion."

Leaves me out, btw.
10.4 was the end of the line for PPC CPUs, no 10.5 for them, meaning if you're still running 10.4, it's most likely because you're running a PPC-Mac, or you're not the upgrading kind of person anyway.
10.6 realistically requires at least 2 GB of RAM to run at any kind of reasonable speed even if Apple says 1 GB is the minimum. I know I'm pushing the lower limit here with that amount of memory. It is alas the most my mini will take.
10.7, the oldest CPUs supported will be Core 2 Duo, and the official minimum amount of RAM has doubled. That leaves me and machine in the dust.

So for me, and your calculated 4 million, the upgrade path is "new Mac", or "fuggedaboudit", making this whole "but what about people with 10.4 and .5?" argument rather moot.
 
Kar98 said:
How many of them will be able to upgrade to Lion even if, and that's a big if, they wanted to?

Step 1: Make sure your Mac can run Lion.

"Your Mac must have an Intel Core 2 Duo, Core i3, Core i5, Core i7 or Xeon processor to run Lion."

Leaves me out, btw.
10.4 was the end of the line for PPC CPUs, no 10.5 for them, meaning if you're still running 10.4, it's most likely because you're running a PPC-Mac, or you're not the upgrading kind of person anyway.
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10.4 was only the end of line for PowerPC Macs with G3 processors and older G4 models with slower processors. Many G4s and all G5s can run 10.5.

(10.5 is officially supported on some PowerPC models as far back as mid 2001, all but one from late 2003, and all from April 2004.)

A significant chunk of the roughly 23% of Macs on 10.5 and 6% on 10.4 are PowerPC, which can't upgrade to Lion anyway, and another chunk will be Core Solo/Duo machines which can upgrade to Snow Leopard but haven't done so yet, and they can't run Lion either.

Even after allowing for those, there are still quite a lot of Lion-compatible models running 10.4 or 10.5 which may need an upgrade path.
 
DannySmurf said:
Bell's bandwidth caps are between 2GB on the lowest tier and 75GB on the highest.

However, on any tier, you can buy additional monthly bandwidth for $5 (40GB), $10 (80GB), or $15 (120GB).

So, this is really only a problem for anyone who wants it to be a problem. Anyone who can't afford $30 a month instead of $25 (at the lowest tier) to pay for bandwidth they require shouldn't be farting around with operating system downloads. #priorities
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Thanks for the clarification - this makes sense, and isn't as bad as I thought. I currently pay $40 per month for cable which has a 250 GB limit. In Canada, that'd be 150 GB of bandwidth, which is plenty (I generally use 60 GB a month. That includes Netflix, software downloads, normal browsing, a little BitTorrent here and there (mostly Linux distros... really).).

I'm still glad that Canadians are fighting back hard against caps - that'll prevent the greedy pigs up on top from getting too far.
 
wikus said:
In Canada, there are two dominant ISPs which control 90% or more of the market, Rogers and Bell. Both offer a starting bandwidth of 2gb, and the next option is 15gb and 25gb respectively.

You need to realize that YOU are not a complete representation of apple's consumer globally, nor a representation of an internet user globally as well.
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We have Bell DSL in Halifax and its unlimited 15Mb/2Mb. No Caps. Eastlink Cable internet is unlimited too for 20Mb/1Mb. It must change across the country.
 
Well since it is "Mac App Store ONLY" 3 Hours to get Lion when I could save 1/2 the time by going to the Apple Store and getting it:(
3 Mbps Internet Only
 
grahamperrin said:
Expect to use no more than one Apple ID.
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You can't buy something more than once on the App Store.

If I buy one Mac OS X Server download for $50, do I still have to use a key? Wouldn't it tell me I've "already purchased" it if I try to buy another copy of Mac OS X Server?

This information for business users has been total crap. It is Apple spitting in our faces and not answering questions.
 
grahamperrin said:
In essence, regurgitating leaked information: Lion Server requires Lion.

Parallel to that: from a day one App Store purchase perspective, Lion Server requires Snow Leopard Server.

If the Apple hardware (or virtual machine) that you'll use for Lion Server already has a license for Snow Leopard Server, then I guess you should be able to install Lion (then Lion Server) without first installing any other system.

If you do already have Snow Leopard Server, then (unless advised otherwise by Apple) follow the upgrade path.
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Let me rephrase: If I don't have a license for Snow Leopard Server, can I just buy Lion and on top of that Lion Server, or would I need to buy Snow Leopard Server too? The way I understand it, is that without a valid Snow Leopard Server license it won't be possible to use Lion Server.
 
Mmmmh...

Cougarcat said:
What? You would be buying a business license, you are allowed to do this.

Anyway, for home users, you can also install it on any mac that uses your AppleID.
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Why? Does the installation require an AppleID? Or is it only the DOWNLOAD that requires the AppleID?
 
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