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Apple Details Lion Purchase Process for Business and Education

wikus said:
In Canada, there are two dominant ISPs which control 90% or more of the market, Rogers and Bell. Both offer a starting bandwidth of 2gb, and the next option is 15gb and 25gb respectively.

You need to realize that YOU are not a complete representation of apple's consumer globally, nor a representation of an internet user globally as well.
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I keep reading this - but 2 GB is absolutely ridiculous. For a cell phone plan, maybe, but not for a landline.

But are you sure this is true? I'm not calling you a liar, but I wonder.

I've tried to Google this, and I've found Rogers' cap to start at 60 GB - which is, while pretty low, isn't as ridiculous as 2 GB.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Thats awesome. Will we be deploying the Developer Preview? This just shows the ignorance in the community in relation to managing Mac environments. Would you walk into work and say, "Hey Boss lets do this upgrade I have this little document from Apple that says nothing, but the beta does this, and all these great people on Macrumors say its ok, lets write a check!" Thats not how it works bro. I have clients who bring billions of dollars in for this company and produce products that cost 5-100 million dollars a pop. We need to know. We don't "play around" or "go on what the DEV PREVIEW" does. We go on whats Gold Master. This isn't a sandbox kid, this is a big business.
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Well I totally agree with you about knowing things for sure and to know what the exact plan or "move" is gonna be for business you can´t trust rumors or speculation when you have big bucks and big company to maintain.

But it´s also true that you wont find an answer that is gonna satisfy you in here...all we know is that Lion is coming through the app store, everything else we´ll find out,...

So i think you have to work with what you got and make a wise choice, as I see it you have: wait till Lion is out try it out and then tell your boss lets upgrade or let´s wait, I don´t think it is like "upgrade on the first day of Lion or you will be fired"

Or...call apple and ask, even talk to Steve Jobs if for you and your company is necessary, i think those are al the options right now, relax and let the things flow..

Also apple or any other company isn´t going to improve their service if we as costumers don´t speak and tell them that we do not like their service (business wise) I´ve had great service from apple as a costumer. So tell them they left you alone since SL was released. don´t you think? Maybe if only you tell them nothing will happen but if a lot of business do, then maybe they will get it...
 
Great first step for business customers! Now all I need is a business Apple ID for every other piece of software to be sold in App Store. Preferably before FCPX comes out!
 
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I hope this works well, the next step will be to start making optical drives optional as software distribution goes digital.

The optical drive is the least used part of my iMac or MBPro. An iMac could accommodate more of the features I do use without an optical drive.

A MBPro without an optical drive could have any number of additional items. Everything from a larger battery to a second (high capacity) HDD to complement a fast system SSD.


All of this hand wringing over changes in technology is ridiculous considering that technology is supposed to be constantly improving. Incorporating new ideas as they become usable and abandoning them once they're obsolete.
 
OK, $1,000 for 25 copies of OS X, iLife, and iWork? I can do that.

We may only use 5-10 copies at first, but I'm sure we will have people ask about getting a copy eventually. When a request comes in to purchase a copy of OS X, we can say "no charge for this one" because the department will be sitting on 15-20 extra copies... :rolleyes:

Having the latest iWork and iLife thrown in helps.

We may use 2-3 copies as the Server version as well.
 
hipollito said:
Well I totally agree with you about knowing things for sure and to know what the exact plan or "move" is gonna be for business you can´t trust rumors or speculation when you have big bucks and big company to maintain.

But it´s also true that you wont find an answer that is gonna satisfy you in here...all we know is that Lion is coming through the app store, everything else we´ll find out,...

So i think you have to work with what you got and make a wise choice, as I see it you have: wait till Lion is out try it out and then tell your boss lets upgrade or let´s wait, I don´t think it is like "upgrade on the first day of Lion or you will be fired"
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This.

Obviously, the move to the App store has been faster than a lot of people had imagined. I mean, first we got the App store, and people thought "cool." We all imagined that 10.7 would have App store functionality, but I don't think anyone expected it to only be available from the App Store. I know I didn't.

Like you said, though, most companies are going to want to test the hell out of Lion for compatibility and bugs before mass deploying it. That means 10.7.1 at the soonest and maybe 10.7.2 or .3. What sysadmin would willingly* put the network at risk just to have 10.7 right away (*unless it came down as a mandate from a higher up)?

I realize that you IT guys still have a lot of unanswered questions, and you're probably feeling some pressure from the bosses, but we all know that the right thing to do from a usability standpoint involves a lot of testing and tweaking existing methods to work with the new workflows. It's why enterprise and government are always a couple of releases behind. Here at the FAA, we're still running XP, IE 8 (finally), Office 2003, and the second newest release of Microstation. I'm sure the answers will come and by 10.7.4 we will all look back and laugh (hopefully).

All of this to say that right now, I really don't envy you guys. ;)
 
osx11 said:
Most users who didn't upgrade to snow leopard probably won't upgrade to lion either, so this is probably not really an issue for apple. For those still running leopard, you're already one release behind, so upgrading to snow leopard now will be exciting for those people.
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Well that's horsepoo!

I waited till 10.4 to upgrade my machine at home, from 9.2.2.

Just because someone doesn't want to waste money on things that don't benefit them doesn't mean they should be frozen out of future upgrades. Do you even consider the fact the not everyone thought 10.5 part 2 was worth the $30?

I don't see anything in Lion that will benefit me in my work, so because of this I should not be allowed to upgrade to the next over inflated 'magical' OS?
 
G4DP said:
Well that's horsepoo!

I waited till 10.4 to upgrade my machine at home, from 9.2.2.

Just because someone doesn't want to waste money on things that don't benefit them doesn't mean they should be frozen out of future upgrades. Do you even consider the fact the not everyone thought 10.5 part 2 was worth the $30?

I don't see anything in Lion that will benefit me in my work, so because of this I should not be allowed to upgrade to the next over inflated 'magical' OS?
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If you are expecting to run Lion on that same machine then that is wishful thinking on your part. Leopard was the last version of OS X to support PowerPC.

Are you for real? Are you telling us the you are too damn cheap to pay 30 or 60 (30+30) bucks for a new version of OS X? Really?
 
The only thing the PDF said about Server is that it costs $50 from the App Store.

We have 1-4 servers we may upgrade. How can I buy 4 copies? Make 4 throw-away iTunes accounts?? Where is this answered? The PDF only talks about non-Server bundles.
 
humblecoder said:
I read something about this, but I don't have any use/desire for a restore partition. I want to manually backup, then perform a 100% clean install (with all of my space) and I'll "restore" items manually as desired. I'm one of the few that want *absolutely no assistance* (or cruft).
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Well you can't. You can manually backup, then perform a 100% clean install as long as you have the Lion installer on a separate partition/disk, but you'll always have a restore partition which the installer automatically creates. You may be able to delete that partition after the install, though I haven't tried it.
 
I've read the thread, but can't figure something out:

What happens if you do a hard drive replacement — completely blank, unpartitioned drive?

Is there any way to install Lion without going through Snow Leopard? And by "any way" I mean a supported installation path, rather than digging out the .dmg from the installer package.
 
thompson11 said:
I've read the thread, but can't figure something out:

What happens if you do a hard drive replacement — completely blank, unpartitioned drive?

Is there any way to install Lion without going through Snow Leopard? And by "any way" I mean a supported installation path, rather than digging out the .dmg from the installer package.
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I personally plan on creating a restoration partition on an external hard drive as well in case my internal hard drive needs to be replaced.

Install OS X to an old external, store it, mount it via Target Disk Mode, and copy the installation over in case I get a new hard drive.
 
aristotle said:
If you are expecting to run Lion on that same machine then that is wishful thinking on your part. Leopard was the last version of OS X to support PowerPC.

Are you for real? Are you telling us the you are too damn cheap to pay 30 or 60 (30+30) bucks for a new version of OS X? Really?
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Again another assumption. No that machine is happily playing as a media server now. Money isn't the option. Not everyone throws money away on pointless and needless upgrades. Which is what Lion is. Some people actually treat their Mac's as tools Lion will not improve my productivity, so no i'm not going to waste money on features that are included for the thick and lazy.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
You mean the same rep that told us that Xserve's were being refreshed at WWDC this year so we shouldn't worry about investing in them. Yeah right. Like I said before Apple has zero reliability with Enterprises thats why I dont give a crap what TUAW says or what you say. I want to know what Apple says because at the end of the day my boss doesn't give a rats ass about Cougarcat's opinion he wants to know what Apple's roadmap is. They don't have one.
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So, wait... you want to "know what Apple says", but you don't trust anything they say anyway.... and you don't want to take someone else's firsthand experience with it, nor are you satisfied by downloading the DP and seeing for yourself...

so what exactly would make you satisfied?
 
ravenvii said:
I keep reading this - but 2 GB is absolutely ridiculous. For a cell phone plan, maybe, but not for a landline.

But are you sure this is true? I'm not calling you a liar, but I wonder.

I've tried to Google this, and I've found Rogers' cap to start at 60 GB - which is, while pretty low, isn't as ridiculous as 2 GB.
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Bell's bandwidth caps are between 2GB on the lowest tier and 75GB on the highest.

However, on any tier, you can buy additional monthly bandwidth for $5 (40GB), $10 (80GB), or $15 (120GB).

So, this is really only a problem for anyone who wants it to be a problem. Anyone who can't afford $30 a month instead of $25 (at the lowest tier) to pay for bandwidth they require shouldn't be farting around with operating system downloads. #priorities
 
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Bonch said:
How does this help someone like me with a medical clinic and ten macs? It still sounds like a PITA.
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Hopefully, you have a proctologist in your clinic to take care of that PITA.
 
We should have gotten a clue from the name that apple gave to this release.

It's not "MAC OSX" Lion, now it's only "OSX" Lion.

First, they dropped "computer" from their name, demoted the Mac to being another appliance and now they killed the "Mac" in their OS. I don't want to go into crazy speculations, but it doesn't look good looking into the future.
 
G4DP said:
Just because someone doesn't want to waste money on things that don't benefit them doesn't mean they should be frozen out of future upgrades.
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Never mind what "should" happen. Apple is not performing a public service. If you don't find the upgrade worthy enough for your system, then don't upgrade. That's entirely your choice, but that choice INCLUDES the risk that you may get left behind next time.

Personally, I think it's high-time Apple and Microsoft BOTH start leaving users that refuse to upgrade behind. They've held the rest of the world back for a long time.
 
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All of the crybabies should "trust the Force."

Steve will make sure that everyting is fine.
 
DCJ001 said:
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All of the crybabies should "trust the Force."

Steve will make sure that everyting is fine.
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Steve went over to the dark side a long time ago.
 
longofest said:
I still don't quite understand how Apple expects Leopard and earlier users to upgrade to Lion if they only do digital delivery via Mac App Store. Are they still going to sell Snow Leopard DVDs, so you upgrade twice? That would be very un-apple like.
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I'm not entirely sure they really care. Seeing Lion and knowing they can't have the "latest and greatest thing" will make people with older macs want to upgrade.
 
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