Apple Developing Redesigned 2018 iPad With Face ID, Slimmer Bezels and No Home Button

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  1. thinkcatgame macrumors newbie


    Nov 19, 2016
    I think this design can be used on iPad mini, and maybe Apple Pencil can support the new version of iPad mini as well.
  2. nextuser macrumors member

    Feb 15, 2016
    I don't see the iPad as an individual, personal device. To me it's more of a special purpose, kiosk style device. So with that in mind, Face ID doesn't make too much sense. Perhaps if Face ID were capable of identifying multiple people it might work but only in certain situations.

    I just think their iPad strategy is not well thought out. There's nothing that's actually "Pro" about the iPad, adding a Pencil or a faster processor doesn't make it a Pro device. However, if they would focus more on audio/video then they could make the iPad a legitimate Pro device. Imagine adding an actual Pro-quality microphone, or a Pro-quality camera lens, and being able to control it from iOS.

    The iPad has the potential to be the ultimate music creation device, but sadly the audio latency has been getting worse and worse with each release of iOS.

    Apple doesn't seem to understand the iPad. Document creation (like Microsoft Office) is a solved problem and works best on the desktop with an actual keyboard. Being able to run a word processor on the iPad doesn't make it Pro.
  3. Jsameds macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2008
    5 months in and my 10.5 is worth more than I bought it for at launch. I'm not too concerned about resell value.
  4. Steve Expat macrumors newbie

    Steve Expat

    Jan 6, 2016
    Sorry, but this comment is the opposite of reality. iOS OWNS the music creation/audio production market with CoreMIDI, AudioBus and AUv3. There are so many unique synths and audio content creation apps out now, and it’s still growing rapidly as Apple brought Audio Units to iOS. AudioBus 3, Cubasis 2, Notion iOS, Symphony Pro 5, and synths by Moog, Korg, and Aurturia, plug-ins by Liquidsonics, Audio Damage DDMG, and I’m just scratching the surface. Every week a new Music app is released that ups the game. It’s an amazing time to be a musician on the macOS and iOS platforms. And there’s the amazing Lemur and Composer Tools Pro.

    iOS 11 added immense value to the workflow for composing and audio production. New hardware interfaces, keyboards and other devices continue to come out that give the iPad Pro an important role in step with desktop computers.

    Not to mention the macOS-like Dock in iOS 11, the USB 3 Lightenting port, 120Hz refresh rate, 32 Watt USB C charger (which should have been included), and the Apple Pencil that allows me to compose orchestral music in Notion iOS.

    And let’s not forget the fastest SoC on the market today with advanced GPUs on the way for the next gen A series SoCs.

    Android is nowhere in this picture. And many of the excellent music production applications available for iOS just wouldn’t work in the mouse based world of macOS. For the first time in many years I’m having fun again because of the innovation by Apple and iOS developers in the music and audio production market.

    Apple understands the iPad Pro. The pro market is making sure of it. I surely don’t want the Finder in macOS to become a touch screen device, but it seems like Apple has decided to quietly go in the other direction by finding ways to carefully make iOS for the iPad Pro a Finder like macOS device with the Dock, Files app and CoreMIDI, Metal 2 and AUv3 leading the way to the future of professional touch screen tablet, gesture, stylus and other wired and wireless I/O devices.

    I like it. Apple, under Tim Cook has never been known to shock the world. They just keep plugging away, heading in the right direction. It’s already happening, but in another couple of releases as Apple slowly adds key components, (while moving away from others - Lightening port), the iPad Pro is going to push the low priced Mac Books aside. Easily.

    Forget the eye candy - smooth bezels, (ho hum). Keep an eye on the core technology. That’s where the iPad Pro will surprise the nay sayers. I’d say the sales growth is an indicator of that.
  5. Greenmeenie macrumors 6502


    Jan 14, 2013
    A bezel-less ipad mini pro could mark the triumphant return of the beloved ipad mini!
  6. tanyet macrumors member

    Apr 1, 2013

    I love the iPad as much as anyone (I have 3) but it hardly does everything a laptop can do.
  7. Tozovac macrumors 65816


    Jun 12, 2014
    All this priority on small bezel - nobody at Apple cares about ability to put it into a protective case and still be able to swipe from screen edge for certain functions, nor about inadvertent screen touches/commands for those of us who grip our slippery Apple product firmly with one hand constantly throughout the day? Why does the Quest for Zero bezel seem like a really bad & unnecessary priority for so few?
  8. dampfnudel macrumors 68030

    Aug 14, 2010
    Brooklyn, NY
    That's what I mean. Probably not happening, but one can dream.
    --- Post Merged, Nov 10, 2017 ---
    I mean make the FaceID components not stand out or something.
  9. nextuser macrumors member

    Feb 15, 2016
    Yes Android is not even close to being a contender, but that's not the point.

    A lot of the audio guys are clinging to Snow Leopard because it is the most stable platform, and are being forced to upgrade because of plugins not supporting Snow Leopard. Every time a new version of OS X comes out it seems that something ruins the latency. Look at a bunch of the prosumer recording units, they usually have drivers going back to Snow Leopard because they know that the audio guys still want to run Snow Leopard.

    Same issue with iOS, go to you can see the latency getting worse over time

    I'm not talking so much about music apps, but actually recording with a pro microphone/preamp/converters hooked up using the Camera Connection Kit, or possibly the lightning interface. It would be so nice if this were more robust.

    Apple just doesn't care about pro users anymore
  10. congressbeta macrumors newbie


    Nov 16, 2017
    Makes sense, you can always have support for multiple faces and it could automatically log into that person’s profile. Would be awesome.
  11. LarryC macrumors 6502


    Jul 19, 2002
    North America
    Can a user choose to not use the facial I.D. feature?
  12. roadkill97006 macrumors newbie


    Jun 2, 2015
    Beaverton, Oregon
    I think that the 'no bezel’ people are more about show than hard use. I’m having enough trouble keeping from popping the dock up while attempting to scroll in 11.1. I can imagine the problems I’d have with no reasonable place to grab the thing without my thumbs inadvertently getting on the screen. I haven’t the dexterity to text with my thumbs while clamping the iPad between my palms as one person said, particularly in landscape mode, and that sounds quite tiring for long term use.
  13. TH3D4RKKN1GH7 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 25, 2009
    Curious to see mockups of a bezel-less 12.9" iPad Pro. If they could get it close to the current 10.5" iPad Pro size, I'm ALL THE WAY IN.
  14. acblue94 macrumors regular


    Jul 26, 2011
    New York, NY.
    So you would rather have ugly black bars that take up more the screen space?
  15. Tozovac macrumors 65816


    Jun 12, 2014
    So you see no functional benefit to having bezels?

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