actually it does matter if you purchased it or not. if it wasn't purchased that is called stolen.
it is known fact for "developers" that betas expire. if an actual developer didn't install the new beta it is their own fault.
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Apple Disabling iOS 5 Beta Installs and Developer Accounts Over Sales of Device Slots?
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actually it does matter if you purchased it or not. if it wasn't purchased that is called stolen.
it is known fact for "developers" that betas expire. if an actual developer didn't install the new beta it is their own fault.
Oh here we go that ugly game of semantics trying to make a difference between 'illegally obtained' and 'stealing', because you dont like to think you're a dirty tea-leaf.
Relax Francis. He has a great point. Put down your self-righteous indignation for a second and put aside the stealing issue. This "medic" relies on his phone for accompanying him during his job...a medic...and chooses to use an unstable beta OS instead of what he knows will work and can be relied upon? That in my mind is the much larger issue with this particular situation.
The problem is, as i've said over and over again, is that he most likely doesn't NEED the iphone to fulfill his job. Maybe he has a really weird hospital that requires it, but most do not. If he is contacted as a medic its through radio, etc - they dont text him or call his cell lol... Not while he's on the job anyways. Alot of places might frown on him having a smartphone on him at all since it could be distracting!
So its up to him what he does with it in my opinion. AND we are forgetting that he was able to immediately fix the phone right at work!
AND in any event, with the little amount of information made available for someone to just say they "hope to God [they] get fired" is completely ridiculous. I hope HE gets fired for being a knee-jerk prat, which will hurt any business he might be in. Voila.
Im sorry, perhaps I AM over-reacting a bit... It's just i'm someone who lives paycheck to paycheck. And given that the majority of emt's are way underpaid this medic probably isn't too much better off... Without even mentioning the economy or job market. So for ME personally when someone just throws out a "he should get fired" it is a bit... personal? Upsetting? Just seems like a pretty serious thing to say under the circumstances. In my opinion.
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I will never, understand why people put beta software on their wives/gfs devices- especially when it comes to a damn phone. I mean, really? Why? As if they don't have enough trouble and frustration with technology, why make them use beta products and have to deal with all the issues and instabilities that ensued? It's one thing for you to install it for yourself, it's another thing to saddle your wife/whatever with the experience. Does she enjoy being locked out of her phone?
Let's not be too sexist or misogynistic here... Let's say instead, why would you be silly enough to install on a non-techie's phone? You're asking for trouble if you mess with someone's phone who's not 'in the know' or whatever.
He relies on his phone for pretty important information - to the point where I personally would see this as a requirement. Of course, if you say he didn't need to take/use the phone - he could have always substitute it with a few books - I mean, why not carry a BNF, or whatever with you?
ad 1: I think you need to calm down. The prototype car is a perfect analogy as there are nearly zero accidents, when those cars are used by the professionals. This thread is about people whining and moaning that their iToys got locked - due to them using a beta, they are not implied to use.
ad 2: I am no developer, nor am I interested in people using this software. But I see this as proof that the Macrumors community has become mainstream. No one in their sane mind would've bitched about being locked in DFU mode 5 years ago - because the climate here was different.
ad 3: I don't give a damn about people running iOS beta 5. But I clearly have a problem with legitimizing UDID-sales. This in itself is an illegal act. You are selling something that is not intended to be sold. And this my friend is not playing by the rules. Your glorious attempt of great analogies how minor this is can be adressed with same stupid analogies like how minor it is to sell pot, or how minor it is to visit hookers. You don't hurt anyone when handing them that 50$-bill, do you?
To put it in another way - imagine people taking money to jailbreak and unlock iDevices. Or imagine people stealing OpenSource Code and selling it as seperate commercial application. You think this is o.K.? Nope - then by that logic UDID-selling is illegal.
ad 4: There is a real difference in being interested in the progress of the Mac platform (and alas the iOS platform) and legitimizing acts of piracy. No, I have never ever torrented any Beta of any Apple product, though they are all over the place, you know. So tell me. Did you also play with Lion - just to have it early?
Right, but since the discussion is about whether or not he should be fired, whether or not he is required by his job to use the phone is important. If he relies on it, like he said, just because he wants to as an additional source of info then that failing has nothing to do with his employment. Unless, like I said before, he is using it as a crutch for knowledge he should already know. Which may or not be the case. But either way iOS 5 itself = irrelevant to his continued employment.
The car analogy is NOT perfect, because people's whos car fails halfway down the highway are endangering LIVES. Both their own and others on the road. Whereas the phone is more or less endangering nobody at all.
Sure did get Lion early. Submitted reports to apple, and now running the final version happily. I've also been suggesting it to my friends.
And I think pot and marjuana SHOULD be legalized. Soo... yeah... Europe seems to be getting along just fine
As a philosopher I am absolutely a utilitarian hedonist. In other words, no harm no foul."You think this is o.k.? Nope - then by that logic UDID-selling is illegal"
You really need to learn the difference between "illegal" and "unethical".
I love how everyone here is all about drinking Apple's kool-aid. I guess as someone who prefers Windows and Microsoft products over those of Apple (except in the phone market) I have a more level headed view and opinion. If I payed for a spot on a dev account I stole nothing. I knew the risks of the beta, I knew that they expire and I knew you would have bug/constant updates/lots of additional problems (such as the beta versions of iTunes being ****). Some of you need to grow up and stop accusing people of being things like terrible medics, thieves and most of all just calling them names for not being a developer but using the betas.
The problem is this is not what you agree to when you accept the terms. It doesn't say you can sell off or give away your extra slot if you don't use them.
If your not a developer TESTING their software along with your software you have no idea what your testing or what the problem could be. If they wanted NORMAL people testing it they would just release it to EVERYONE and not just developers.
ALL betas are buggy.
Learn to play by the rules or don't play at all
James
Eh, you could probably find a group of people willing to argue that reselling MS TechNet access to randoms on ebay is stupid too. It's less Kool Aid and more "uh, that's pretty dumb".
I think what a lot of commenters are getting heated up about is that you've got people buying device slots on ebay or whatever, then being 'inconvenienced' when their primary device drops to DFU. Apple pretty clearly state this is a closed, subscription beta and not ready for prime time, and further that the betas will EOL at some point. It's designed for developers to get a head start on using new API's to get their apps up to date, not for John Random to play around with as his only mobile phone.
The actual, solid release will be out in a few months. If you're happy to have a buggy, feature-incomplete device that might well just stop working while you're at work or at the movies, go for it. If Apple pull your device ID because they know you bought the beta from someone, I can't see why you have much avenue for complaint, though. And people will probably call you out for it.
No. I guess coming from a Windows environment and not a Mac one, I have come to terms with the fact that I don't have to follow rules. And that signing your posts makes you look like a pretentious wad. So as a NORMAL person, really more of a power user (always jailbroken and applying tweaks via the plist files), I may not know what the underlying problem is, but I accept that. If I want to use the beta software I'll find someone as like minded as I and purchase a slot. Which I did.
I can understand that but I mean people need to realize it's going to happen anyway. I'm alright with it being a little bit buggy and I know how to troubleshoot my own issues. This isn't my first time on the beta train. Beta tested 3.0 software and 4.0 too. And I mean it IS my only device but I'm always around a PC to fix my issues. I can understand how some people are complaining but they knew the risks as do I. Apple isn't going to ban my phone from activating completely so the actual risk is mininal.
By using his workstation, yes, he should. It would be annoying, but more acceptable if he restored with his own laptop at work. But the fact that he used work material for personal gain, that is unacceptable.
When I temped at an office building once, I was asked to leave because I was using their computer to charge my MP3 player (not download music to, but merely because it was connected to their computer).
You all apparently work under completely different circumstances than I have ever encountered. I've never had such a tight-bum boss as to fire someone for charging a phone, etc. Seriously? That's completely ridiculous.
As for using the workstation, you do NOT know the policies there. Alot of hospitals have computers anyone can use for whatever they want in lounges, etc. And he could have been on a break, or 'on call' when he is free to do whatever he wants (watch movies, fix his iphone, etc).
Sorry if I offended you with signing my post. If you look back I've ALWAYS signed every one of my posts.
But for someone to start name calling sounds like your the kind of fudge packer the would.
JAMES
Whoah, that's totally uncalled for. Its not being pretentious, its just simply how he likes to end his posts. Pretentious? Aren't we all being pretentious for discussing this matter to no end as if our opinions actually matter? Nevertheless, that comment wasn't necessary at all.
Keep telling yourself that, bucco.
This is coming from someone with the username "L33t Masta".
My eyes can not roll hard enough.
Ever notice how just about every person who calls themselves a "power user" isn't anything close to being one?
Haha oh wow. I thought this place would be full of actual intellectual discussion on Apple products but all I've seen so far are people judging and making claims based on nothing more than what a dude in a turtleneck tells them. I guess I'll have to weed through and throw people on ignore for a while before I get that.