Beta 2 on my wife's iPhone expired yesterday and locker her out.
Whoops! She wasn't happy. Put her on b4 yesterday.
Whoops! She wasn't happy. Put her on b4 yesterday.
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Apple Disabling iOS 5 Beta Installs and Developer Accounts Over Sales of Device Slots?
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You used stolen beta sofware in your work as a medic? I hope to God you get fired. You don't even to deserve to be a medic. You put peoples lives at risk to get stolen software? Super ick.
I agree mostly, especially with point 3, but the developers do have a right to be annoyed about non-developers using the beta because as a developer pointed out a few pages back he was getting harsh reviews on his apps from people who were annoyed that the application did not work flawlessly with the iOS5 beta. That and the people who come here and moan about the beta, expecting it be perfect.
Oh my gosh, how dare you judge someone you don't even know that harshly! How familiar are you with a medics responsibility in the first place? If any medic uses their iPhone for information, it is just a supplement to their actual emergency medical training. There were no lives at risk.
You could just as easily say "You use an iPhone for medical information? OMG it could lose charge or go out out of service range or you could drop it!"
Seriously, he should be fired? His livelihood should be threatened because you don't like that he was using ios5 when he didn't pay for it? Gracious. You are insufferably pompous.
Very well said, divinemercy! But unfortunately your post is going to go overlooked and under appreciated because you take the fun out of bickering
It's the Internet. Anonymity prompts people to type out stuff they'd be too cowardly to say out loud. It brings out the ugly inner-self in many people; just let it roll off your back.
Read a few pages back. By using the software you agree to its terms, and part of that is the NDA.
You didn't sign a contract with Apple to use the Mac, yet you are still bound by its terms and conditions.
Actually, the last doctor to use an iOS beta on their devices (even though it was their own) was fired. I know this because I did the legal research with the hospital board. The device failed during an emergency. The doctor was deemed unfit to deal with the requirements of the emergency.
I don't think patient notes etc. count as supplements to medical training. There were lives at risk.
His livelihood was threatened by his own actions.
I think you are quite mistaken about the differences between a doctor and a medic. The medic didn't even say HOW he was using the phone, nor what kind of situation the fail happened in.
You cannot just compare two very different cases (one with a doctor where harm was done, one with a medic where no harm was done) and say he should be fired.
Congrats on all that great research though! Kudos!
You cannot just compare two very different cases (one with a doctor where harm was done, one with a medic where no harm was done) and say he should be fired.
Congrats on all that great research though! Kudos!
I think you are quite mistaken about the differences between a doctor and a medic. The medic didn't even say HOW he was using the phone, nor what kind of situation the fail happened in.
You cannot just compare two very different cases (one with a doctor where harm was done, one with a medic where no harm was done) and say he should be fired.
Congrats on all that great research though! Kudos!
You seem to be failing to understand that in any situation, regardless of it being an emergency or not - anyone who is required to access information, but is not able to, due to their own actions, is liable.
How can you say that no harm was done? Maybe the poster is hiding something from us.
Let's say that you are a patient, and are in agony. You waiting for the medic to tell you something or do something. The medic's device fails. Are you going to be ok with this?
There's a thing called 'compliancy' for a reason.
I think you are quite mistaken about the differences between a doctor and a medic. The medic didn't even say HOW he was using the phone, nor what kind of situation the fail happened in.
You cannot just compare two very different cases (one with a doctor where harm was done, one with a medic where no harm was done) and say he should be fired.
Congrats on all that great research though! Kudos!
Um, medic is often a term used for medical staff, especially doctors. It seems to vary from country to country in both official and unofficial usage.
Don't you know anything!? You wait for something to go wrong before you act on it! What would be the point in dealing with issues before they arise?
Incorrect. The poster and I are both from the US i believe, and here a Medic is a specific job. You can be a nurse, nurses assistant, doctor (surgeon, psychologist, etc), OR a medic. There is a specific amount of training, specific duties, etc.
AS for the "requirement" to access information. AS I SAID, any medic using their iPhone is doing it as a SUPPLEMENT. No different than if they had a medical dictionary on them or something. It is not a job requirement. IF, and only if, the information he was trying to find SHOULD have been known already (like if it is standard training for a medic), THEN he could be fired for being incompetent. BUT that has nothing to do with his phone, it just has to do with him not knowing what he should know. iOS5 = irrelevant.
As for saying they are liable if they are unable to access it through their own actions... So if he forgot to charge his phone he should be fired? Im not sure what you do... but lets say you are someone who deals with customers since most jobs consist of this. And you forget your laptop. Or your jump drive was crushed when you left it in your back pocket. You should automatically be fired because you can't access that customer's information? Yes. that is completely reasonable....
And as for your "he could be hiding something!" post.... Be serious. There's no point in trying to guess at what a complete stranger may or may not be lying about. For the sake of this discussion we have to assume he was being truthful. Jesus. maybe he's also a terrorist and he's lying about being a medic! So he was using 'stolen goods' to access information about flights!! OMG he should be fired THEN killed!
You place preventative measures so that the likelihood of things going wrong is decreased.
e.g. PAT (Portable Appliance Testing).
Medic is a general term for a person involved in medicine, specially emergency or first-response medicine such as an emergency medical technician, paramedic or a military member trained in battlefield medicine. A medic may also provide general and basic health treatment.
(according to Ask Jeeves).
IMO, that's even worse if the a device fails, even if it is a supplement.
Are you familiar with his terms of contract, and what he is required to do? If so, please do enlighten us with a list.
A supplement can be a requirements, by the way.
Completely different case - because he did not deliberate the actions which caused it. He only indirectly caused it. I think management would be sensitive to this. They're just not sensitive to people who deliberately tamper with devices for their own gain, if they use or depend it.
This is MacRumors, if you haven't seen a post where someone is hiding something, then you haven't seen MacRumors.
Hence me commenting on how it varied from country to country. Cheers for the insight though, thats quite interesting. Here in my experience (in the UK) from my work in a hospital and my dad being a doctor I know that medic is often used to refer to doctors, usually between staff for some reason though.
No, I am not familiar with the terms of his contract... BUT IM NOT THE ONE SAYING HE SHOULD BE FIRED for goodness sakes.
And I am not a medic myself, but I have 3 in my immediate family so I am not unfamiliar with the position. Let's get down to business and actually put your argument into the form of an argument (philosophically speaking)
1. A person who is required to access information should be fired if they are unable to access this information due to their own informed actions.
2. A person who downloaded and used the bet iOS is aware of the extent of possible corruption, loss of access to device, etc.
3. This person could not access information when they were required to because of their actions.
conclusion: (This person was bound by premise 1, and qualifies for premise 2, and premise 3 is true, therefore) they should be fired.
NOW
THIS IS A VALID argument. In other words, if the premises are true, then the conclusion is. GREAT JOB! Kudos again.
HOWEVER, it is not a SOUND argument. Which is a valid argument with ALL TRUE premesis.
In other words, if any of the 1-3 aren't true then the conclusion isn't true. (for instance if he ISNT required to have an iPhone to access information, if he wasn't aware of the risk because a friend installed it, if the hospital doesn't have a policy on firing people for these cases, or any other number of possibilities unknown to us).
So your assumptions led you to creating a valid argument, but not a sound one. In other words, you're still just being a presumptuous cad.
Haha that's true. We are a bit off topic. A way to guide the conversation back might be to ask "what is the appropriate punishment or response, if any, to persons with unauthorized copies?
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wow! this thread will get some people to "macrumors demi-gods" quick!
wow! this thread will get some people to "macrumors demi-gods" quick!
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My beta 4 just froze yesterday. Any word on beta 4 I was driving listening to music and running tomtomand then it just froze! I reinstalled iOS 5 beta 4 so I'm good now but that was SCARY!!!
My beta 4 just froze yesterday. Any word on beta 4 I was driving listening to music and running tomtomand then it just froze! I reinstalled iOS 5 beta 4 so I'm good now but that was SCARY!!!
This is all stupid.. this is nothing new.. Apple has done this before. Also, this has been WAYYYY overhyped because Beta 1 and Beta 2 expired. Out of 100 people lets say who are having problems with this, only 2 are because developer accounts were removed. Also, I read of the developers who got banned.. they were advertising on craiglist. Pure stupidity on their part. None of the major or even small sites that I know of have reported any problems with their UDID registrations. This is paranoia at its worse.
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wow! this thread will get some people to "macrumors demi-gods" quick!
People are gonna see this thread and want to contribute to macrumors?
What's wrong with you? It's not stolen software if we're on a dev account. Doesn't matter if we purchased it or not. Get off your terribly high (and ugly) horse and come back to reality. No one is stealing anything.