That is a very fair point. But I'm not the one selling slots from a dev account.
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Apple Disabling iOS 5 Beta Installs and Developer Accounts Over Sales of Device Slots?
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That is a very fair point. But I'm not the one selling slots from a dev account.
ever heard about "compliance" ? I hope it was your private phone and not from your company. If you "rely" on medical information its really unprofessional to install a beta onto your primary device; and even more use one of the stations PC to recover.
If you want to play with Beta Version get a cheap iPod and install it on that one. I'm working in a pharmaceutical company; if I would do that on a production machine I would be in deep trouble.
Is your wife's iPhone being used for actual development? If not, then you might want to install iOS 4 on her device.
Stop suffering. Do a recovery to the latest official release and get over it. You can at least re-install all her apps and type in all the telephone numbers should might have stored somewhere. If she's using email than I assume that's still available on the server.
PS: Apples has a clear disclaimer that installing of beta software might brick the device. If you kept that small detail from your wife while making her "happy" with beta software, she's in her good right to blame you till the end of times. Yes, poor you...
iOS5 Beta 4 is supposed to be expiring on Aug 31.8:00:01 EST.
http://www.geekfori.com/ios-5-beta-4-expires-on-august-31st/
http://www.geekfori.com/ios-5-beta-4-expires-on-august-31st/
Who's suffering? I m not.
So please stop yelling around, genius. If u got no constructive advice.
It's about time apple sends out a message, this is no android operation. We do believe in law & order around here. You'd be surprise how that small percent makes us all look bad.
You forgot one tiny little part about you know, wholesalers actually having legal rights to re-sell their merchandise.
Other than that, spot-on analogy!
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My 3GS was also experiencing this problem since Friday morning and I have my own developer license.
The device was running the beta 3 version. So I think it is unfair to say that everybody who was blocked was running the beta version agains the rules
My 3GS was also experiencing this problem since Friday morning and I have my own developer license.
The device was running the beta 3 version. So I think it is unfair to say that everybody who was blocked was running the beta version agains the rules
Small point here - you cannot be in breach of a contract you haven't signed... therefore, any news site reporting on features isn't actually breaching the NDA unless they signed up as developers themselves and agreed to the NDA terms...
<Why so late...>
As far as I have read, anyone can revert their phone pretty simple or do a factory reset. I mean - all those guys installing a BETA to play around - have you ever considered the mere fact, that there may be a nasty bug in the beta (yet undiscovered, therefore undisclosed and not fixed) that kills your phone functionality?!?
I mean this is what a beta is about. Simple analogy: Imagine your random Barcode Scanner App messed up and you now have the LED-Flash on all the time sucking your battery. Or think about some random sensor behaviour (remember the proximity sensor bug?).
That's why access to a beta is restricted!
Time for the oh-so-famous car analogy: Would you drive in a prototype next year car? I mean, just to have it early and brag about it. No? Then why use a prototype OS when you actually have no f'n clue what you're doing.
P.S.: From my understanding of the posts here, the phones are not bricked but locked in DFU mode. And all those people here actually having the balls to post that they are too bloody stupid to google for the next steps - you clearly have my respect.
As far as I have read, anyone can revert their phone pretty simple or do a factory reset. I mean - all those guys installing a BETA to play around - have you ever considered the mere fact, that there may be a nasty bug in the beta (yet undiscovered, therefore undisclosed and not fixed) that kills your phone functionality?!?
I mean this is what a beta is about. Simple analogy: Imagine your random Barcode Scanner App messed up and you now have the LED-Flash on all the time sucking your battery. Or think about some random sensor behaviour (remember the proximity sensor bug?).
That's why access to a beta is restricted!
Time for the oh-so-famous car analogy: Would you drive in a prototype next year car? I mean, just to have it early and brag about it. No? Then why use a prototype OS when you actually have no f'n clue what you're doing.
P.S.: From my understanding of the posts here, the phones are not bricked but locked in DFU mode. And all those people here actually having the balls to post that they are too bloody stupid to google for the next steps - you clearly have my respect.
What a coincidence...launching of LION, and beta expiry...ruin all my phone data...
Sorry for misinterpreting your previous post. Really sounded like you were suffering. I definitely would be if I bricked my wife's iPhone.
They are not in breach of an NDA. They may very well be illegally publishing trade secrets, which is legally worse.
Im just going to throw in something here...
1. the fact that so many of you are using ridiculous analogies like giving criminals guns, driving in an unsafe car, etc show just how over-blown this issue is. Its just some software for a phone.... Its neither dangerous to the public at large (gun) or to oneself (car). Seriously? Calm down. there are some mediation apps i can suggest....
2. Secondly, this is just another way that shows how elitist and self indulgent apple users can be. "Grow a pair and pay the 99 bucks" "you got the balls to admit your stupid?" "They don't deserve the new software". I think everyone who has the "I'm a developer, they don't deserve what I get" should post links to their apps so we can critique them... if they exist. Heaven forbid anyone without 99 bucks to burn should get ahold of the sacred ios....
3. Hypocrisy. Granted, I don't know any of you. but i SERIOUSLY hope that any of you belly-aching over all these criminals out there running iOS5 have taken a hard look at yourself. Have your really NEVER downloaded a song without paying? Watched an unauthorized music video on youtube? Downloaded porn without paying the producers? Gone over the speed limit while driving (which, btw, is ACTUALLY dangerous, versus someone who's hurting nobody using iOS 5)? If you've done any of this you are really in no position to whine.
4. As to those who think that the apple information just shouldn't be put out because apple doesn't want it to be, or criticize non-developers for wanting to see/use the new features.... YOURE ON MACRUMORS!!!! A site by its very name designed to try and find out the latest information on Apple before it comes out. You are all interested in knowing everything ASAP. You want to know when the next device is out, what it will look like, etc. But you're saying if someone walked up to you in a coffee shop and said "Hey, apple doesn't want me to, but i'll let you play with the iPhone 5 if you want!", you'd say "no thanks!"??? Yeah friggen RIGHT.
Im mean really? Apple has a right to be annoyed if people are complaining about it being buggy. Apple also has a right to be upset if someone is making money off of their services without authorization (although I think only big-name people should be punished really like the sites selling thousands). Pick your battles right?
BUT the rest of you developers and stuff --- do you really have a right to be so annoyed/upset/indignant/ridiculous? Why do you care what someone else is doing on their phone? Calm. Down. Unless it affects you in a direct and non-negligible way, then find something more important to get your panties in a bunch about - like global warming or starvation or the countries debt. Or George Clouney's latest fling for all I care. Anything that's actually more important than a relatively negligible number of unauthorized users getting ion a few months before it comes out for free anyways.
1. the fact that so many of you are using ridiculous analogies like giving criminals guns, driving in an unsafe car, etc show just how over-blown this issue is. Its just some software for a phone.... Its neither dangerous to the public at large (gun) or to oneself (car). Seriously? Calm down. there are some mediation apps i can suggest....
2. Secondly, this is just another way that shows how elitist and self indulgent apple users can be. "Grow a pair and pay the 99 bucks" "you got the balls to admit your stupid?" "They don't deserve the new software". I think everyone who has the "I'm a developer, they don't deserve what I get" should post links to their apps so we can critique them... if they exist. Heaven forbid anyone without 99 bucks to burn should get ahold of the sacred ios....
3. Hypocrisy. Granted, I don't know any of you. but i SERIOUSLY hope that any of you belly-aching over all these criminals out there running iOS5 have taken a hard look at yourself. Have your really NEVER downloaded a song without paying? Watched an unauthorized music video on youtube? Downloaded porn without paying the producers? Gone over the speed limit while driving (which, btw, is ACTUALLY dangerous, versus someone who's hurting nobody using iOS 5)? If you've done any of this you are really in no position to whine.
4. As to those who think that the apple information just shouldn't be put out because apple doesn't want it to be, or criticize non-developers for wanting to see/use the new features.... YOURE ON MACRUMORS!!!! A site by its very name designed to try and find out the latest information on Apple before it comes out. You are all interested in knowing everything ASAP. You want to know when the next device is out, what it will look like, etc. But you're saying if someone walked up to you in a coffee shop and said "Hey, apple doesn't want me to, but i'll let you play with the iPhone 5 if you want!", you'd say "no thanks!"??? Yeah friggen RIGHT.
Im mean really? Apple has a right to be annoyed if people are complaining about it being buggy. Apple also has a right to be upset if someone is making money off of their services without authorization (although I think only big-name people should be punished really like the sites selling thousands). Pick your battles right?
BUT the rest of you developers and stuff --- do you really have a right to be so annoyed/upset/indignant/ridiculous? Why do you care what someone else is doing on their phone? Calm. Down. Unless it affects you in a direct and non-negligible way, then find something more important to get your panties in a bunch about - like global warming or starvation or the countries debt. Or George Clouney's latest fling for all I care. Anything that's actually more important than a relatively negligible number of unauthorized users getting ion a few months before it comes out for free anyways.
OK, I admit to buying a UDID slot
iOS5 is an Apple trade secret. You can pay $99 to become a registered developer, so you can use iOS5, but then you are under NDA and not allowed to tell anyone about your experience because of the NDA. You are also not allowed to tell anyone about your experience because it is a trade secret. If you buy a UDID slot then someone was in breach of NDA. Getting access to iOS5 by paying someone to breach his NDA doesn't stop it from being a trade secret, so telling anyone about iOS5 means you are violating a trade secret - which is a criminal offense.
If people keep saying "trade secret" a thousand times as if it makes their argument valid, I'm going to scratch my eyes out.
The LEGAL problem here is that it would be hard for Apple to hold their own in court on this one as far as damages go. Given that there is a relatively small number of people (compared to all iphone/ipad owners) unauthorized using the iOS, and the iOS will be FREE when it DOES come out, then what tangible/fiscal harm is this causing apple?
The release of info about a phone can cause loss of profit. But the leaking of info about a FREE product? Not so much. It would be hard for apple to argue that they're losing much by someone using the iOS a month or two early.
Don't get me wrong, it's still technically illegal for someone to sell the slots (although not illegal for someone to buy one since no agreement was made with apple on their part). BUT when suing they would only be able to sue for the amount of damages caused by that given seller... which, in most cases, would be little.
The LEGAL problem here is that it would be hard for Apple to hold their own in court on this one as far as damages go. Given that there is a relatively small number of people (compared to all iphone/ipad owners) unauthorized using the iOS, and the iOS will be FREE when it DOES come out, then what tangible/fiscal harm is this causing apple?
The release of info about a phone can cause loss of profit. But the leaking of info about a FREE product? Not so much. It would be hard for apple to argue that they're losing much by someone using the iOS a month or two early.
Don't get me wrong, it's still technically illegal for someone to sell the slots (although not illegal for someone to buy one since no agreement was made with apple on their part). BUT when suing they would only be able to sue for the amount of damages caused by that given seller... which, in most cases, would be little.
Not a lawyer, eh? That much is obvious.
Ask Google or RIM or HP if they have anything to gain from getting a copy of iOS5 early.
Right, because there's no problem with receiving knowingly stolen goods.
And once again, clearly you're not a lawyer.
Although you have no problem acting like one, apparently.
Ok, so everyone on here can talk about the illegality of this, but I disagree with someone and I'm pretending to be a lawyer?
As for the Google, android part - LIKE I said, they SHOULD go after big-name problems. Sellers/buyers where there is an actual loss. But some guy who buys 1 account and sells 99 slots and makes like 200 bucks or whatever isn't a big name. And given that that 200 bucks will likely make its way right back to apple since this person is clearly a heavy user, NOT to mention the 100 apple made for the account in the first place... well.... like I said, not a loss big enough for a multibillion dollar company. Steve Jobs probably spends that much on dinner often enough.
btw:" Right, because there's no problem with receiving knowingly stolen goods. "
Udid slots are not stolen goods. The purchasing of one is not either. It would be more like a bootlegger selling you a dvd player, which gives you ACCESS to stolen DVDs IF you choose to use it that way. But like I said, buying the slot is not illegal. It is not illegal to have access to stolen goods, or the opportunity to use them with less interference.. .it is just illegal to do so.
Anywho, no I am not a lawyer, nor do I have to be to discuss the topic intelligently with a general understanding of the law. If YOU are a lawyer and would like to actually rebut what I'm saying, feel free, instead of just saying "you're not a lawyer" over and over again.
As for the Google, android part - LIKE I said, they SHOULD go after big-name problems. Sellers/buyers where there is an actual loss. But some guy who buys 1 account and sells 99 slots and makes like 200 bucks or whatever isn't a big name. And given that that 200 bucks will likely make its way right back to apple since this person is clearly a heavy user, NOT to mention the 100 apple made for the account in the first place... well.... like I said, not a loss big enough for a multibillion dollar company. Steve Jobs probably spends that much on dinner often enough.
btw:" Right, because there's no problem with receiving knowingly stolen goods. "
Udid slots are not stolen goods. The purchasing of one is not either. It would be more like a bootlegger selling you a dvd player, which gives you ACCESS to stolen DVDs IF you choose to use it that way. But like I said, buying the slot is not illegal. It is not illegal to have access to stolen goods, or the opportunity to use them with less interference.. .it is just illegal to do so.
Anywho, no I am not a lawyer, nor do I have to be to discuss the topic intelligently with a general understanding of the law. If YOU are a lawyer and would like to actually rebut what I'm saying, feel free, instead of just saying "you're not a lawyer" over and over again.
You don't need to pay for a standard dev account that allows you access to Xcode and the like so you can learn the ropes before investing the membership fee.
Webapps are also a good starting point.