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Would apple ship its more powerful M1X first in iMac and 16" later? It sounds weird to me. Can Apple introduce higher clocked M1 for low-end iMac? To differentiate from laptops and beef up especially graphics.
It is highly unlikely they update them with new Intel chips.
There are plenty of iMacs that would be improved by using an M1 chip. There's even a dual core still on sale. All the quad cores would have much higher performance, and the six cores would have slightly higher performance with just the M1 chip replacing the Intel processor. And I assume an M1 is cheaper for Apple than six core Intel.

Now since power and cooling are not a problem in an iMac, these M1s could be clocked a bit higher for more performance. And since the four low-power cores are quite pointless in an iMac, there is a theoretical chance for a 6+0 core iMac at practically the same cost as the current 4+4 core M1. So I definitely see _some_ iMacs with an M1 or M1-like processor.

On the other hand, Apple will be working on an 8+4 core design with 32 GB RAM. Most likely all new MacBooks, MacMinis, and iMacs would be available with a choice of 4+4 or 8+4.
 
If you go back to the old Amiga days, they used to have chip memory and fast memory. The FAST RAM could only be accessed by the CPU, whereas the Chip memory was accessed by the rest of the computer, notably by the graphics system.

Just a thought but if they are going to allow RAM upgrades this RAM could be accessible by the CPU only and not be a part of the unified RAM setup that the graphics could access.
The fact that the M1 memory can be accessed equally by CPU and GPU gives them a major speed advantage. What is more likely is that there will be more memory off the chip, and the on-chip memory also works as an L3 cache. Which would likely work well for most applications, and apps that need more than the on-chip memory might need some fine tuning for maximum speed.
 
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The fact that the M1 memory can be accessed equally by CPU and GPU gives them a major speed advantage. What is more likely is that there will be more memory off the chip, and the on-chip memory also works as an L3 cache. Which would likely work well for most applications, and apps that need more than the on-chip memory might need some fine tuning for maximum speed.
It's not segregation though, as the Chip memory could also be accessed by the CPU (especially in laptops where there is no 'off chip memory') - the closeness of the unified memory to the CPU and custom chips is what makes it so responsive. External expendable slotted memory could be added to a system but would be potentially slower as it's further away.
 
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Yeah, I really want to take a laptop into work each morning, peer at a 13 or 15" screen for 7 hours and then take it back home with me in the evening.
What a stupid reply. "Yeah, I really want to come to work each morning, peer at the metal side of my desktop PC for 7 hours because it doesn't come with a screen and then go home in the evening." That's how you sound. Have you missed the part where he said that they can be converted into a desktop station? Have you ever actually seen a desktop? Do you think they come with attached 27" monitors or something?

Funny thing is I did work with a guy who did exactly that on a 13". Nothing else just his 13"... I have no idea how he did it.

I am with you - desktops all the way, with a lightweight laptop companion device for mobile work.

However it all depends on the tasks you are doing. I can do about 70% of my work on a 16" MBP [with monitor etc], but the other 30% needs a desktop.
Not sure what companies you guys work at, but things are definitely moving away from dedicated desktops in many FAANG and similar companies. If you want to test code or compile anything major, do it on dedicated remotes that are way more powerful than any desktop that you might be able to put together. And with the increase of popularity of VSCode and similar IDEs, it's now trivial to effectively just use your computer as a glorified text editor, while all code is completely transparently to users, compiled/interpreted/executed on remotes via SSH or similar. The data and code has to be kept on protected internal networks and drives anyway, so you will usually need an internet connection to get anything done anyway. And then employees always have access to their full dev environment at work or on the go, which is extra important in the current wfh environment.

I, personally, still have and use a monster Windows workstation at work, but I use it as a remote at least half of the time nowadays. Could easily disconnect the monitors and just use them with a MBP and TB dock, but didn't really get to that yet. Maybe once higher end MBPs are upgraded to AS.
 
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OK, second take at this, apologies for the misunderstanding the first time - I stopped at SIM having seen the LTE bit - :)

I'll start with the RAM issue first. The reason given for soldering RAM was to make it more reliable and to reduce the space required to enable Macs to become thinner (from being lower profile, lower power, and not having to cater for fat fingered users trying to remove it). Remember many manufacturers have since followed that example and do the same with ultra thin laptops.

And this is the point, Macs would still be a thick and heavy as the old 2012 Ivy bridge non retina MacBook Pro if they'd stuck with SATA, DVD, and replaceable RAM. That's 4.5lb (2.06kg) vs 3.0lb (1.4kg) for the 2012 vs 2020 M1 13" MBP.

The Surface Pro doesn't seem to be as thin as a MacBook Pro so I'll assume part of this is due to a certain level of serviceability.

Don't get me wrong here, I like a bit of serviceability and have added RAM and HDD/SSD to Macs before when they were serviceable. The fact that the 27" iMacs are upgradable makes them a great budget option for users who want more RAM.

Apple's next point will be about data security and reliability. Remember that they use some of the fastest SSDs available, and if it were down to an average computer user with replaceable parts they'll buy the cheapest they can find and then complain that their Mac runs like crap when it's the fault of the hardware they bought.

Remember Apple are going down a road with Unified RAM that doubles down on replaceable RAM and I think the storage is on die too - this is for performance and power efficiency reasons. They select the correct components to fit their design.

I haven't used this kind of argument in a while but how many people buying a 2230 m.2 are going to buy SSDs of a top tier quality? Are they even available because a cursory look reveals they are quite rare at higher capacities and seem to be dying out. They'll just buy cheap crap if they can and probably botch the install job. And If you're advocating that Apple leave an empty space in the machine for users to add their own storage then that's a massive error because for a majority of users it means the space will be left blank. If you think they'll out a 256Gb unit in there for people like you to replace with a 1Tb unit - great. But how well will it perform? And will you even be able to get a replacement in 4 years?

I have seen links for a Samsung 970 PCIe 3.0 x4 EVO 1Tb in a 2280 form factor (which is a lot bigger than the postage stamp sized 2230) for 122 quid on Amazon today. But a casual search for a 2230 didn't turn up much.

Let's then not forget that you can accidentally buy a SATA SSD in an M2 form factor. Imagine the frustration as the fat fingered user buys the wrong item. Thankfully these appear to be dying out, and manufacturers in the budget sector appear to be happy to swap controllers and hardware on the same product name items (bit underhand there).

If I were building a PC today I might look for a PCIe SSD to go on the motherboard but I'd buy a high performance Samsung EVO or Pro with true PCIe 3.0 x4 performance. I'd also look into the possibility of waiting for PCIe 4.0 for even more performance. Remember the very best SSDs are 2280, with heatsinks, and boast SERIOUS figures for read and write.

I daresay a lot of average Joes will be looking for cheap storage on a postage stamp they can just plug into a computer as easily as plugging in a SD card. Well, if you'd only just have a look at the murky world of SD card reliability and performance you might then come back and see why Apple won't want users raging on them after botching their install of a no-mark brand and the industry has moved on from that connector technology.

Yes, it's convenient, cheaper, but we've yet to see the performance figures for Apple's Unified architecture to see if it outperforms it to any serious degree.
I agree. I like building computers but didn't do so since 2015 when I built my 2020 one. I was confused and needed to make sure the right NVME drives I got were supported. Both from PCIe Lanes and size and if its the right non-SATA one, ... It is a mess, and I can't imagine how my parents or grand parents would handle the situation.
 
Shortages are reflected in pricing and availability.

SSD prices are low and shipping is immediate.

Same with RAM.

The shortage is not memory related.

I've run into RAM shortages. Prices of DDR4 25600 32 GB DIMMs have gone up about 30% since the fall. Some vendors don't even list them as being available. That's an argument for limiting RAM, though, not storage. It feels to me like they're going to replace the smaller iMac. I'm not really interested in the smaller one though I would be in the large one.
 
LOL, sure, let me go ahead and plug in 2 monitors, like on the Intel Macs...oh, doesn't work. No matter, I'll live with 1 screen, at least I'll have 1 port free to plug in my fast external drive...oh, it runs at 30% of its speed on my older Intel Mac...
Yeah, totally the same as on Intel Macs.

You're probably not aware, but 10th Gen Intel CPUs, like those in the 4 port 13" MBPs that are still sold today, brought some pretty big advancements regarding TB controllers in comparison to older models. Older 4 port Macs had one TB controller per a pair of ports on each side, which was a very simple implementation and it's true that Apple could've easily replicated that. However, the 10th Gen models have TB controllers integrated into the CPU and can dynamically allocate full bandwidth of both controllers to any pair of 2 TB ports - on the same, or opposite sides. That is a considerably more complex implementation which took Intel a while to get to and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Apple is going for too, they just needed a bit more time to get it ready.

“I’m probably not aware?” Mansplaining to the CPU designer, huh?

Anyway, nope:

 
I haven't read all posts so sorry if it was discussed. But do you think there is chance on new iMac now? Shortages suggests that.
Would apple ship its more powerful M1X first in iMac and 16" later? It sounds weird to me. Can Apple introduce higher clocked M1 for low-end iMac? To differentiate from laptops and beef up especially graphics.
It is highly unlikely they update them with new Intel chips.
I think we’ll definitely see a new iMac in the next couple of weeks. Apple will almost certainly hold an “event” (which is just an online video stream now) for every new Apple Silicon product they make until they’ve made the switch throughout the product line. After that we may just see them announce new processors at WWDC and only have “events” with new designs.

I’m skeptical of a brand new processor given that the M1 isn’t a year old even. I think strategy is to release low-cost options first, then possibly announce pricier, higher-end processors at WWDC.

I’ll be interested to see if they completely do away with all Intel options in the coming years. At first I suspected they may keep at least a couple Intel options for the pros (16” MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, maybe an iMac), but Apple being Apple they may just decide to move ahead with all custom.
 
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There are rumours of a 24” iMac. You decide what’s most likely: a. Rumours are false. b. Apple sells three sizes. c. Apple drops 21.5 inch. d. Apple drops 27 inch. e. Apple sells only 24 inch. f. You wake up and it was all a dream.

G) We ARE in The Matrix, and someone/something is having one hell of a laugh.
 
Leaving the 256GB SSD and 1TB Fusion drive options could be due to: 1. over abundance of SSDs in supply, and 2. the discontinuation of the 1TB Fusion drive with the M1 iMac release.

The availability of the 256GB SSD might also be due to discontinuation of that size in future models. It is quite possible that the chips used for 256GB are too low capacity to be used in future larger SSDs. Therefore Apple is blowing out their soon to be obsolete supplies.
 
There’re not out of stock though. They’re discontinued, meaning Apple no longer intends to sell them.

It makes sense for Apple to do it that way if they expect chip supplies to be limited until their next iMac update.
 
I never understood buying "desktops" anymore. Laptops can easily be converted into a desktop station, yet still have the flexibility to be portable (plus, built-in UPS). I see getting desktops when you need mega-power, like 128GB RAM, Xeon processors and super-high end graphics, like for video editing bays. But for most users, a laptop and a dock is the most flexible way to go.
I'm a desktop person because I don't like trackpads or using the keyboards of a laptop because of what I feel is an awkward hand position. I find the keyboard and mouse of a desktop much easier to use. Also I don't need my computer to be mobile--I have an iPad for that.

I'm not saying it works for everyone, but it works for me.
Desktops don’t have large Li-ion batteries in them either. At some point, those go bad and need to be replaced or they will swell and damage the laptop. And the batteries in Macs are not easy to replace. You can get more performance per dollar from a desktop too. Not everybody needs portability from their Mac.
 
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It feels to me like they're going to replace the smaller iMac. I'm not really interested in the smaller one though I would be in the large one.

Since they seem to be going bigger, I'd say a bigger model, and maybe a bigger small model is more likely. Like, a 24" base model, and the 27", and then, possibly, yeah, A FREAKING HUGENORMOUS 32"! With one that big, I probably could get rid of my second monitor. I do remember my 21" iMac. It's hard to believe I used something that small now. Heck, the 13" MacBook Pro I have is hooked to a 32" TV as a monitor. Not perfect, but 13"? Seriously? (I inherited it, they said it was 'too heavy!':oops:)

I remember, back at the Big 10(11?) university I went to, the campus NOC had a single screen massive yellow screen monitor on the wall (I think it was an old IBM mainframe console?) that they could 'monitor' the whole campus network on. The yellow wasn't quite as bad as some of the other colors I'd witnessed. I think they had 12 screens open, showing traceroutes and pings of the various routers and such around campus. They had three fiber rings, and some copper still too at the time. I decided then, there was no way anything could be 'too big'. It just wasn't possible. Heck, sitting here, I could actually see using a 48" iMac. (If they get too big, they could block out all reality during the next pandemic)
 
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Hope they don’t redesign it.

It would be hard to do something now that hasn't been done, but it would be interesting to see if they can pull it off.

I remember deciding to order the 'stalk' iMac, and it had just gone OOS all over the place. The New and Improved iMac debuted, and wow, it was/is pretty awesome.
 
No, think INDUSTRIES, not specific types of computer industry storage, although I'm sure it's happening to some extent there too.
Not sure what you mean by industry?

I read Intel and AMD have shortage of the new CPUs. And there is a shortage of GPUs by AMD and nvidia.

And Samsung has a shortage of CPUs used in their smartphone. And Samsung may not bring out galaxy note series this year because of shortage.

Also xBox and playstation 5 have massive shortage.
 
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Well no one is saying if there was fire in factory making CPUs and GPUs or because of Covid?

Did some factories burn down? And that is why? Or workers are sick with Covid and not making any thing?

No one is saying why there is massive shortage of CPUs and GPUs
 
I must say I like that particular corner. 5K Retina display is just £300 more than the equivalent 4K iMac (both with 6 Core, 16 GB, 256 GB to make the prices comparable, 3.1 instead of 3.0 GHz), that's dirt cheap for that display. It looks like you are comparing the cheapest 4K with the cheapest 5K, and that's how you got $1000 difference, but that's not a valid comparison. You need to compare the most expensive 4K with the cheapest 5K so all the other parts are the same.
That’s only because Apple is losing margin on the 5k and Apple doesn’t like losing margins.

A good 4k monitor is much, much cheaper than a 5k. That’s just fact.

Then there is the one size fits all problem of a large iMac. When you are paying that much, an all in one with a fixed monitor size starts to be ridiculous as different people have different needs.
 
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