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Apple Discounts Cinema Displays

dante@sisna.com said:
Yes! This is why SWOP Certification from http://www.color.org is so important.

For a great March 2007 General Discussion on a Monitor's Role in Soft Proofing from "Newspapers & Technology" visit this link:

http://www.newsandtech.com/issues/2007/03-07/pt/03-07_virtual-proofing.htm


Pay special attention to this quote: "Many LCDs that are marketed as color-calibrated or color-managed monitors essentially have their own onboard graphics cards that interpret the color data (8-bit) from the application using 10-, or 12-bit LUTs to optimize color and grayscale gradation."

And therein lies the problem of current High Gamut (non-SWOP certified) monitors -- They have wildly unpredictable color consistency due to the interpolation used in the 8bit to internal 10/12bit conversion to high gamut.

When New Technology Catches Up (and Hopefully Apple's High Gamut Release will do so) then it will be able to achieve SWOP certification.

As Jim says, it is all ABOUT OUR CLIENTS!

Twelve years ago I failed in this SWOP certified process, had a client take me to court over color matching and I lost. I refunded $2,700 bucks. That was the last time. Now I have a true color-matched process that is FULLY SWOP Certified. If I ever go to court again I can make my case on the SWOP certification system as govered by graphic arts guild. I would not loose this time. The extra money for a great-deal Apple SWOP certified monitor pays for itself in ONE JOB.

Can't say that with a cheap monitor.
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Thanks for this story. This shows that Dell is more expensive in the long run. If you provide s****** service and products to your clients you will pay multiple times more than you expected from your cheapo Dell-y monitor.

Dell is only good for watching TV and I don't watch much of it either.
 
Apple has already taken down the "new prices" image from the displays section of their store. That was fast...
 
Thanks you all for a very interesting and informative discussion, mixed in among the bickering. I do a little bit of photography as a hobby, and am thinking of getting a new bigger monitor for retouching work, so this was very timely.

As a price comparison, the 23 ACD is £599 in the UK, whereas the same LG.Philips panel is in the Viewsonic VP231WB which seems to go for between £703.82 and £900+ depending on the retailer. Other monitors using that panel are also all much more expensive than the ACD.

Since I can get the M9178 (with the Higher Education discount) for approximately the same price as a Dell 2407WFP, I think I might be going ACD in the near future :cool:
 
b0ned0me said:
Thanks you all for a very interesting and informative discussion, mixed in among the bickering. I do a little bit of photography as a hobby, and am thinking of getting a new bigger monitor for retouching work, so this was very timely.

As a price comparison, the 23 ACD is £599 in the UK, whereas the same LG.Philips panel is in the Viewsonic VP231WB which seems to go for between £703.82 and £900+ depending on the retailer. Other monitors using that panel are also all much more expensive than the ACD.

Since I can get the M9178 (with the Higher Education discount) for approximately the same price as a Dell 2407WFP, I think I might be going ACD in the near future :cool:
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Good... 4... U :D
 
bearbo said:
dont meant to troll, just beg to understand, so please bear with me



the explanation helped me understand a little bit, but i'm still confused at the following points
1. are we saying all HC is bad (provided we dont have true 10-bit/channel), and all non-HC is good? that is there's no real difference between the non-HC displays?
or
even between the non-HC (i guess i'm still comparing dell with acd), there is a difference... that is, dell is inherently unable to display color the way graphic card wants it to (but why? doesn't dell 30 use same panel as acd 30?)
2. is HC only good when the rest of the workflow can transmit the color and print the color? and since apple is coming out with HC eventually, does that mean by then, the dell 30-HC is then somewhat equal, or is it still unable to produce color accurately for some reason (if so, what reason is that)
3. if front control panel is bad, what's the difference between have one and not use it (in dell's case) and not have one(in acd's case)?
4. what's SWOP?

again, i'm just trying to understand these concepts, i'm in the market for a display currently
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can someone please answer these questions for me?:eek:
 
Bump!

dante@sisna.com - could you be of help here? Bearbo raises some really good questions, I think.

I'm tossing up between the Eizo CE240W and the 30" ACD. It seems that Apple's colour might not be good as the Eizo's, but the Eizo on the other hand has a much better warranty and (probably because it's smaller) doesn't have some of the off-axis response issues that the 30" had when I looked at it in-store (the left and right edges were slightly mis-coloured when compared to the centre).

Hmmm, pixels or colour? Or is it not that simple? :)
 
Will Do.

bearbo said:
can someone please answer these questions for me?:eek:
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Okay, I'll Take a cut at Bearbo's Questions: Give me the evening or Friday morning -- in the middle of a book production project.

I can provide good answers. I'll post them here and will email you both when I post.

Thanks,

Dante
 
Cool - we'll look forward to it. Some feelings around the CE240W and the 30" ACD would be good too :)
 
matticus008 said:
Perhaps you're confusing Macrumors with your own personal blog. From where I stand, you were trying to draw some sort of comparison to hotel prices, doing it incorrectly, and didn't like that you turned out to be wrong. There are no "A and B" conversations on a forum.

It's more helpful to those who don't understand UK pricing to have accurate information to explain the apparent price increase as you cross the pond. No one was attacking you or acting from any sort of "inherit" need for anything other than accurate information. When you make erroneous statements publicly while trying to explain something, expect it to be corrected. Anything else would be a disservice.

There are those in the world who don't know why Apple products are priced higher abroad. Having the right explanation is an obvious goal here.
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Having lived in the U.K., utilizing hotel's in my comparison was for simplicity sake and yes it did make sense, just not to you. The weak value of the dollar v. British Pounds was all I was simply pointing out. So then get the right explanation. In the mean time, House M.D. is on, so I have better things to do. Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

Bosunsfate said:
Man, I spent about 15 minutes on www.imdb.com trying to find the movie, but I seem to recall an old 80's movie where a guy built a home computer and it took over his life and wouldn't let him out of his house.

Certainly not the best geek movie in the 80's a la Real Genius or Wierd Science, but hey, when the computer starts watching you..:rolleyes:
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LOL Totally know the movie you're talking about, "Electric Dreams" with Virginia Madsen in 1984. SO funny you mentioned that as I was just talking about that with a friend the other day.

princealfie said:
Uh, it's NOT about features, it's about the RESULTS that the monitor can deliver you.

Why have all the fancy bells and whistles when you prefer something that works perfectly from out the box?
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Exactly :D
 
FWIW: I recently bought 2-23" refurbished cinema displays for around $1500 from Apple. I had to return one since it would not come back to life after sleep. The the repaired one is working fine.
 
dante@sisna.com said:
Okay, I'll Take a cut at Bearbo's Questions: Give me the evening or Friday morning -- in the middle of a book production project.

I can provide good answers. I'll post them here and will email you both when I post.

Thanks,

Dante
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i'm looking forward to hear from you:)
 
Well it'll be interesting to see what happens given Steve's comments around releasing LED displays this year...

Dante, you still there? :)
 
I need a 30" display within the next 2 months so I hope the new LED ones are out at WWDC

I will be gutted if i can't get an LED one.
 
bearbo said:
Exactly my thought. He still own me an explanation. ;)
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Yes, I am still here: just buried in books (I am a book producer).

I have been following these LED developments and have some thoughts.

I will try to get a long "thought-piece" amidst my projects -- My clients are on my as* -- gotta produce

Sorry to drop out.

Dante
 
Know the feeling! Good luck with the work and we'll hear from you when you're out from under it :)
 
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