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A lot of people have two displays next to each other. The thick edges on the displays make this not very seamless...having a small 'edge' would be very nice...
Good point, I would also like to see this. In fact it would be cool if they sold a monitor where you could remove the frame piece from either edge and it would giveyou one edge where the screen goes right to the edge. You remove the left piece from one and the right piece from another and put them next to each other and you have a gigantic almost-seamless desktop.
 
Why? What specs about the apple displays are better for your work than a SIMILAR dell display?

Read my post on Page of two of this thread -- The Truth is Out There.

Not as bad as comparing extras like memory card readers :) And the color gamut difference seems rather telling.

But if anyone has actually compared these two monitors (the Dell 3007WFP-HC and the Apple 30") side by side, I would be very interested in their opinion...

That color gamut, Dell's poorly turned LUT's (Color Lookup Tables), the lack of a true 10 bit to 12 bit RGB signal (there are ususally 8/10/8/ versus true 10/10/10 or 12/12/12), and the preponderance of so many user controls on the monitor will get a graphic artist into giant trouble for High End Color Match Print Production, Photo Reproduction and some web production work.

For Video and Casual use, that Dell rocks.

::Articulate Biznitch-slap snipped for brevity's sake::

One of the most articulate biznitch-slaps I've ever read. Thanks.

Yes, in this case deserved, for sure.

Spank.
 
Why would anyone want to hook up a PS2 to a ACD? That's why there is a LCD TV for that purpose! :eek:

Yeah but I would be using the screen mostly for computer use, but I would want to be able to plug in a PS2 too. I don't want to get an LCD TV if 90% of the time I use it I am using it in computer mode.
 
What did you buy it for? Work?

I'm tempted to get the 20" but don't know whether I should spend the extra to get the 23" for the 1920x1200 resolution.

How's the 1680x1050 resolution on the 20"?

-Kevin

Home use. I probably would go with the 23inch now, but the 20inch was still a good buy. I love it completely over my old Studio 15inch. Widescreen is amazing!
 
That's correct, and quite intentional.

A lot of people don't seem to recall Apple when made a point of getting out of the low-end monitor business (for a time, you could buy low-end monitors from Apple, but only with third-party labels). That was because low-end monitors are a commodity, and the margins Apple could make at the volumes Apple does are not enough to justify the investment. Apple is really only interested in offering a differentiated product. Apple's current line-up is not for everybody, but the current product is priced right for its features and technology, as proven by the professionals who swear by it. If a Dell suits you better, by all means go for it. Dell is an organization that specializes in superb logistics management and cost-control, with higher volumes than Apple, that can make a profit in a commodity space where Apple can't. Apple makes a lot more profit on a single iPod than it would on trying to duplicate Dell's price/value offering on monitors, so I don't think they would miss the $17.50 profit on that lost monitor sale one little bit.

I understand that and dont disagree with the strategy up to a point. However, there is more than just the low end (walmart) and high end (bloomingdales) or a chevy aveo v.s. a BMW. There's also room in the middle (insert your favorite mid priced car, store, product etc.).:) Especially if you want to grow market share.

Also to be fair apple like everyone else sometimes drops the ball on quality. The 23" and 30" back in 2005 had pinkish greys and not the deepest blacks. The dell 24" backed then looked better. As I understand it apple has corrected the issue since then. I've been using macs since about 1986, but even i dont believe all the hype.;)
 
The Cinemas are great monitors, I just can't justify spending $600 on a 20'' monitor when I could get it much cheaper at Dell. If I was a pro photographer, videographer, etc I would look at the 30'' though, I mean that thing IS amazing. Especially with dual 30''s. :eek:
 
Still no UK price drop.......

really getting fed up with Apples UK policy lately. The display prices are absurd.

Don't write them off just yet...
* 30-inch Cinema HD Display. Stunning aluminium profile. Massive 2560x1600 resolution. Go big for £1199 (UK) / €1799 (Ireland).
* 23-inch Cinema HD Display. At 1920x1200 resolution, welcome to the High Definition desktop, just £599 (UK) / €899 (Ireland).
* 20-inch Cinema Display. Wide aspect (1680x1050 resolution) and great picture quality for just £399 (UK) / €599 (Ireland).

Taken from http://www.apple.com/uk/hardware/

Just looks like they didn't update the UK store yet. :D
 
But if you do go to other places, you'll see that 99% of people will buy Dell's LCDs. (I know that 100% of Ontario's institutions buy Dell. York, Mcmaster, UofT, etc etc) Now if Apple wants that 1% marketshare, then good for them.
Problem solved. Apple isn't trying to sell a Cinema Display to every person who's looking to buy a monitor for a computer. They're quite content with catering to the small number of high-end customers who choose to buy the monitors they make. As pointed out, they quite deliberately dropped consumer-grade displays years ago.
I dont care for dell products but I think that says that apple is not getting as many people to buy their screens as they could. They are losing sales from their own fans, why is that if not for price and features?
It's not about volume. Any company can achieve greater market share by lowering prices on any product. Skippy could probably launch a whole line of condiments and nut-based products to make more money--and yet, here they are, still making peanut butter and not much else. They seem to be doing well enough.
What Apple should do is make available a line of professional and then a line of consumer monitors, to rival makers like Gateway and Dell.
And make little to no money, barely denting the marketplace? What would consumer displays get them? It wouldn't drive people to buy more Macs, it certainly wouldn't generate a profit (they'd have to suffer the same razor-thin margins as Dell, and a fraction of the volume), and it doesn't matter in the least to most people. Does the average person care that they have a Panasonic DVD player and a Toshiba TV? Of course not. Why would they care if they had an Apple computer and a Dell monitor?

The number of people with an obsessive desire to match and no willingness to pay for that coordination is far smaller than the current Cinema Display market. And not only is it smaller, but it has no profit potential even on the per-unit basis.
And they're also very long in the tooth (introduced 3 years ago) and lack features now standard in other monitors.
They've been updated in that same period with new panels. Why redesign a classic? My Kitchenaid Pro HD stand mixer looks roughly the same as my 1970s-vintage one (the internals are different, just like the ACD). Lots of other companies redesign their models every year. They don't have the loyalty of customers or the refined, classic design, so they need gimmicks to attract customers. If you have a trusted, stylish product, you don't need to mess with it, and you don't need to dominate the market with it.

The mixer I have is a professional model with an abysmally small market share in the world of stand mixers. But those of us who buy them wouldn't buy anything else.
 
Again it just stuns me that so many Mac users (maybe pseudo?) are more supportive of the opposing company than the own brand of Macland?

Of course, I'm trying to boost the productivity using a ACD. I think that my photography will be more accurate from RAW file to final printout and for me, that will save me tons of dolo for my time and clientele.

But again, if you are gonna get a cheapo monitor use a Samsung or a Gateway or something like NEC where at least they have the decency to have reasonable parts on it.
 
PC Authority magazine reviewed the 20" in its May issue and noted the high price of Apple's displays-now they're even cheaper.

I bought my 20" ACD in 2005 for $1200-then the DVI cable broke, so I got it replaced free, and have no problems with it since.

New Aussie prices:
20" $899
23" $1399
30" $2798
 
Needs an upgrade

Look, it's fine that Apple's display costs more, but they need to up the quality. 92% of NTSC color gamut is expected now, and available from cheap brands such as Dell. Ditto for 1000:1 contrast. Bring the specs into 2007 Apple, and I will pay a premium for the quality and design.
 
Look, it's fine that Apple's display costs more, but they need to up the quality. 92% of NTSC color gamut is expected now, and available from cheap brands such as Dell. Ditto for 1000:1 contrast. Bring the specs into 2007 Apple, and I will pay a premium for the quality and design.

I'm afraid that Apple excels in both easily. In fact, highest contrast doesn't mean that the color gamut is accurately reproduced.
 
The NTSC gamut spec is rather useless when shopping for a computer monitor considering that computers don't operate in the NTSC color gamut. That figure would be great for a monitor to be used as a *video* preview monitor, but even then, the pro is going to opt for a broadcast monitor from Sony.

I have a 30" ACD and it rocks. And the exacting color you get when paired with a Apple machine is what completes the puzzle. I want my computer monitor to display exactly what my GPU thinks it is sending; very hard to do when you have a monitor with *tint* *color* *brightness* *contrast*, etc etc, one little bump of those controls and the calibration is wanked.

-mark
 
wow! with the student discount, this puts the 30" ACD within $100 of the Dell 30" .. Screen real estate is a funny thing. this time last year, I was using a 17" Studio display, now a 24" Dell, but even that seems to be getting too small. I agree at any rate, ACD's are visibly better at true color reproduction. The dells are quite limited. In the video editing suites here, there is always a 30" ACD and a 30" Dell. In the last 18 months, I have only seen the dell on for some kid checking his email..
 
touchscreen ???

anyone think the reason these are being discounted is due to the fact that leopard may come out with touch-screen capabilities ?
 
100$ not enough. New displays 'round corner. Still, I would rather drink horse urine than ever put a "dell" on my desk. Thank you, i will wait for new displays.

Also, whats up with ocho's. Released, yet no reduction in price on woodcrests?
Do we need to wait till the other ocho's come out?

problem is time, I need to order my system before my upcoming photo shoot.
(intl. print advert I am principle photographer).
 
Whoa -- Interesting!

anyone think the reason these are being discounted is due to the fact that leopard may come out with touch-screen capabilities ?

WOW -- Interesting Point.

I am holding on getting a second 30" until NAB -- Very intriguing thought. Could be an iPhone integration -- I could see it.
 
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