nothing against Safari or iTunes or Apple, but this kinda smacks of RealPlayer-esque tactics. they've already been requiring iTunes whenever you download Quicktime. as long as they're upfront and not doing things by default, like directing them towards apple.com/safari or something so people have to actively say "i want this", then it's cool. but when they talk about pushing it through software update, that's not so cool. i'm all for Apple growing, but not at all cost. i mean, if Apple unseats Microsoft using no better than Microsoft tactics, then Apple is the new "Microsoft".
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I can't believe how irritable some people are. I think the decision on being positive or negative towards this issue has more to do with an individual's mood and personality, not a checkbox. Go outside; get some fresh air; take a deep breath. You'll feel better.
Yeah really as a person sho used to run a website - I got sick of trying to quirk code to make it display correctly in IE - when Mozilla Firefox, Safari, and a few generics worked just fine.
The key word here is "pushing". I'm sorry but that's going to really piss off a lot of people and I can completely understand why. By all means give me the choice to download the application but NEVER select that option for me by default. Annoying users is no way to generate a larger market for either Safari or Macs. Sure, I'd like to see more adoption of Safari but shoving it the Windows market is not the way to do it. Firefox didn't need to do this so I don't see why Apple needs to either.
Funny, even sickly ironic, how Microsoft pulls this kind of stunt and everyone says how wrong it is and lawsuits pop up.Apples tactics esp. the MAC vs PC ads are just plain bullying tactics and made Apple users look really bad IMHO.
Apple does this they get praised for it
Apple does this they get praised for it
No fresh air in Manchester. Went outside and breathed. Came back inside. Voted negative to this.
I do tend to agree with the fellow who made the point that on Macs, you pretty much just accept any update that Apple gives you since you know everything is fine.
On a PC though users generally are wary of installing new applications as it could possible muck up the registry and litter the desktop and start menu and start up items. Hence, working in a guarded environment.
I'm going to neg this posting as well because while it's great that Apple is providing an alternative, they really shouldn't be shoving it down PC users' throats.
On a PC though users generally are wary of installing new applications as it could possible muck up the registry and litter the desktop and start menu and start up items. Hence, working in a guarded environment.
I'm going to neg this posting as well because while it's great that Apple is providing an alternative, they really shouldn't be shoving it down PC users' throats.
x2 especially with v.3...super browser that handles my google home page very very well!
If Apple's conversion rate (users who download, try, and stick with Safari) is only one tenth of one percent, that means there will be at least a half a million new Safari users.
If it's double that, then they're approaching the number of new Safari users created each quarter through the sales of Macs.
I wonder what their conversion rate would need to be in order to make a noticeable bump on browser stats. iPhone sales made a noticeable bump, and that's just a few million iPhones. A conversion rate of 1% with this gambit would approximately double that effect.
The word 'momentum' comes to mind.
If it's double that, then they're approaching the number of new Safari users created each quarter through the sales of Macs.
I wonder what their conversion rate would need to be in order to make a noticeable bump on browser stats. iPhone sales made a noticeable bump, and that's just a few million iPhones. A conversion rate of 1% with this gambit would approximately double that effect.
The word 'momentum' comes to mind.
Wow, next to the Windows users on MR always being defensive about their awesome Windows PC's
there's nothing more annoying then someone who doesn't get their facts straight and then rants on the forum about Apple doing something to them. Get your facts straight dude, downloading Quicktime DOES NOT REQUIRE ITUNES in the package.
You can go to Apple's website and if you choose to download Quicktime it's either a standalone or with iTunes, your choice.
iTunes requires Quicktime because it's the media player for iTunes.
How come when Microsoft forces their media player, their browser, their OS in our face it's accepted but when Apple tries to put even their first foot in the door people cry foul to Apple? Get off your high horse!
Calm down just a bit please...
It is unfortunate to see so many railing against Apple and not reading anyone else's posts. As I see it, the common complaint is:
"I don't want Safari. Apple's Software update keeps asking if I want to install it. This is annoying! This is spam! Apple = Microsoft! yada yada yada..."
Well if you would read some others' posts you would have found your answer, because Software Update for Windows has the same functionality as the Mac version. I know the complainers will probably not read my post either, but I'll walk you through it anyway:
1. Apple Software Update pops up. It says "New Software is available..."
2. Since you know you really do not want Safari, you want to click on the 'Safari' entry in the list to highlight it.
3. At the top of the Software Update window you will see the 'Tools' menu item. Click this and select 'Ignore Selected Updates.'
Ta Da! No more notifications to install Safari! Now was that really that difficult?
Of course some will argue that the "average Windows user" is not going to know to do that. This is true, but then again I prefer it that way. I am an IT professional and if everyone knew everything I did I would be out of a job!
It is unfortunate to see so many railing against Apple and not reading anyone else's posts. As I see it, the common complaint is:
"I don't want Safari. Apple's Software update keeps asking if I want to install it. This is annoying! This is spam! Apple = Microsoft! yada yada yada..."
Well if you would read some others' posts you would have found your answer, because Software Update for Windows has the same functionality as the Mac version. I know the complainers will probably not read my post either, but I'll walk you through it anyway:
1. Apple Software Update pops up. It says "New Software is available..."
2. Since you know you really do not want Safari, you want to click on the 'Safari' entry in the list to highlight it.
3. At the top of the Software Update window you will see the 'Tools' menu item. Click this and select 'Ignore Selected Updates.'
Ta Da! No more notifications to install Safari! Now was that really that difficult?
Of course some will argue that the "average Windows user" is not going to know to do that. This is true, but then again I prefer it that way. I am an IT professional and if everyone knew everything I did I would be out of a job!
no, mac version of update is different, if I don't have garageband on my mac, i won't get a update warning to install it.
You can say what you want, but this is a clear tactic by Apple grow Safari's install base.
Many on this forum seem to have forgotten that the majority of iTunes users are normal, non tech-savvy people who are just going to press "Update."
They're not going to uncheck Safari or suppress the update.
Now, they'll have Safari just like they have iTunes and QuickTime. Will they start using Safari as their default browser? Doubt it. Many won't even know it's installed.
I guess this allows Apple to tout Safari for Windows' growing install base at WWDC.
Many on this forum seem to have forgotten that the majority of iTunes users are normal, non tech-savvy people who are just going to press "Update."
They're not going to uncheck Safari or suppress the update.
Now, they'll have Safari just like they have iTunes and QuickTime. Will they start using Safari as their default browser? Doubt it. Many won't even know it's installed.
I guess this allows Apple to tout Safari for Windows' growing install base at WWDC.
its just shameful, apple is the one who accuse windows being "filled with unwanted apps", and "full of virus"
and guess what?
Apple is the one who deliver virus through iTunes (once, lol) and deliver unwanted apps.
Its simply shameful, whoever making excuses here, you guys know its double standard, and its shameful somebody actually are defending it.
and guess what?
Apple is the one who deliver virus through iTunes (once, lol) and deliver unwanted apps.
Its simply shameful, whoever making excuses here, you guys know its double standard, and its shameful somebody actually are defending it.
Paid software doesn't count of course. For example since iTunes is free, even if you don't use it and have deleted it from your Mac, Software Update will still notify you of new versions until you ignore that update.
And a "warning" to install is not exactly what you get. What you get is a notification it's available. Don't want it? Ignore it.
I just did a test, I removed the mail.app, cleared the trash
where is notification of "availability"?
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Actually, the virus was on iPods. As for unwanted apps, welcome to the world of Windows. If you want to avoid that, embrace Mac OS X!
Actually, the virus was on iPods. As for unwanted apps, welcome to the world of Windows. If you want to avoid that, embrace Mac OS X!
thanks, I have two macs, one windows, one linux, Im pretty sure I am ok with them.
PS. My windows box is clean, no unwanted apps (no iTunes/Quicktime/safari neither
). Its more about a problem of the mass, not pros, who should have no problem maintain their computers, mac or windows.So many people making excuse about windows users being offered "options" to uncheck the box, please, total bs, if everybody read everything when they download, install apps, there would be no big fuss about problems of unwanted apps on windows.
Mail.app is not a free app download available from Apple either. It's installed with the OS.
Not exactly a valid test.
I'm not trying to make excuses for Apple. Really I'm not. I can understand how some might find this objectionable. My opinion is that it's no more or less objectionable than any other software update/notification system.
I really just wanted to show people how to stop being notified if they so desired.
I'll just leave everyone to their complaining and we'll see if that stops the Safari availability notification better than my method.