Apple Donating to Notre Dame Rebuilding Efforts in Paris After Historic Cathedral Damaged in Fire

[DevNull0]

Someone turn this into something cynical.

Timmy already did. In the wake of this horrible tragedy, many companies and individuals are making very generous and specific pledges. Three wealthy French families alone totalled $700 Million. That is how to do something good in response to disaster.

Timmy, on the other hand says "Relieved that everyone is safe. Apple will be donating to the rebuilding efforts to help restore Notre Dame’s precious heritage for future generations." That smacks of his vague innuendo about his clogged product pipeline. Sure, plenty of products that will wow professionals are in the way. Sure we're going to donate to the restoration. I'm sure Timmy's idea is to wait until the repairs are complete in a couple of decades, drop 20 Euro in the collection plate and then take to twitter to brag about how without Apple there would be no Notre Dame. And that will still happen before a decent Mac Pro is releases.

Timmy needs to man up and make a specific donation or shut up.

 

[cmaier]

Melting lead is melting lead. There's a reason why you aren't supposed to huff the fumes when you're soldering something, be it electronics or stained glass.

Stating a tautology doesn’t advance anything. The smoke wasn’t yellow because of lead.

 

[jlc1978]

If "Rocky Mountains" is the place he lives in, it would be very difficult to find something older than two centuries. How can he grab a "historic site" concept?

Not necessarily. There are sites in the US far older than 2 centuries that are considered historic.

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That is a kind of job that always fascinated me. Those guys examining a total disaster and determining "it started here", "it happened this" and so on

It is a lot of fun.

 

[mikethemartian]

Well, the building has generated, generates, and will generate billions of dollars to its community if not an entire country. During the years, Notre Dame has provided to more people what a billion of dollars can't provide if not for a very limited time and for a limited set of people. There are about 9 million people living below poverty line in France (1,000Euros or less a month). A billion dollar would generate about 110Euros per person below poverty line. Once. A billion dollar invested to reconstruct Notre Dame will provide much more money to the community each year, for a few hundred years, therefore limiting poverty and increasing the numbers of jobs.
Also, Notre Dame is surrounded by homes and offices. Part of their high value is because they are at "walking distance" from Notre Dame (among others). Without a fully functioning Notre Dame, thousands of building would lose part of their value and appeal.

In addition, yeah. Lives are lost every day, and suffer every day. Take a snapshot of today's earth. All 7.5 billion people. You can be sure that in 120 years or so, all of them will be dead. A few other billions will keep dying, most likely until the end of times, exactly as many billions died in the past for whatever reason. What remains of those billions of people? Their work, what they left behind them. Notre Dame is one of the things that Parisians left us, leave us, and will keep leaving us (until its destruction). They left it us during several wars, governments, poverty, richness, empires, and revolutions. All the poor in Paris are represented by that building. All the rich in Paris are represented by that building. That building is one of the things that remain of all Parisians that lived, worked, and died since the day the first stone was set. A brutal emperor was crowned in there and I walked in there. We are equalized in there as that building is what remains; neither Napoleon or myself will outlive it.
So no, for a society which is fairly in good shape, a building like that one is not only a good investment, but a fundamental functional element.

If it is such a cash cow why does it need others to pay for its reconstruction?

 

[yaxomoxay]

Timmy already did. In the wake of this horrible tragedy, many companies and individuals are making very generous and specific pledges. Three wealthy French families alone totalled $700 Million. That is how to do something good in response to disaster.

Timmy, on the other hand says "Relieved that everyone is safe. Apple will be donating to the rebuilding efforts to help restore Notre Dame’s precious heritage for future generations." That smacks of his vague innuendo about his clogged product pipeline. Sure, plenty of products that will wow professionals are in the way. Sure we're going to donate to the restoration. I'm sure Timmy's idea is to wait until the repairs are complete in a couple of decades, drop 20 Euro in the collection plate and then take to twitter to brag about how without Apple there would be no Notre Dame. And that will still happen before a decent Mac Pro is releases.

Timmy needs to man up and make a specific donation or shut up.

Actually for once I think Tim Cook is right. I understand the symbolic meaning of making pledges with a high $$$ amount, but I would be a bit cautious of pledging a set amount of money before knowing the actual need, otherwise you risk that contractors (or government etc) will inflate the cost and will create the perception that something is needed in order to access that large quantity of money.
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If it is such a cash cow why does it need others to pay for its reconstruction?

Because the money is distributed to the population through indirect ways (hotel rooms, restaurants, real estate, tours, etc.), it does not magically go into a "Notre Dame fund" that can be tapped immediately after a fire.

 

[mikethemartian]

Someone turn this into something cynical.

I’m sure the fact that it wasn’t totally destroyed and there were no fatalities will be turned into an Easter Miracle by the masses. Is that cynical enough?

 

[JetTester]

Well, well, well. No good deed goes unpunished. Good on you, Apple. Actually being a part of the world you live in, lending a hand where it is needed.

 

[DevNull0]

Well, well, well. No good deed goes unpunished. Good on you, Apple. Actually being a part of the world you live in, lending a hand where it is needed.

Really? What did Apple do? Apple gave a big, fat empty promise that amounts to a whole lot of nothing. Just like every time Timmy opens his idiotic mouth, the words have no meaning or substance. Heck, he's not even letting Apple handle other people's donations for free as Apple does for other disasters. You think he's vapid words amount to anything? They're not worth the electrons they were typed with.

I'll tell you what, I will personally donate $20 to the restoration effort. That means I've done a heck of a lot more than Timmy's vague and empty promise.
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Actually for once I think Tim Cook is right. I understand the symbolic meaning of making pledges with a high $$$ amount, but I would be a bit cautious of pledging a set amount of money before knowing the actual need, otherwise you risk that contractors (or government etc) will inflate the cost and will create the perception that something is needed in order to access that large quantity of money.

I don't disagree with you, but given $1 billion or so already pledged and still growing, your point just opens the door to Timmy saying Apple's money isn't actually needed and not donating anything.

So even though you very likely are right, my point is that Timmy's words are nothing but hot air and he has no intention of helping. Just like every time he opens his mouth with huge but vague promises, he's lying once again.

 

[mikethemartian]

Actually for once I think Tim Cook is right. I understand the symbolic meaning of making pledges with a high $$$ amount, but I would be a bit cautious of pledging a set amount of money before knowing the actual need, otherwise you risk that contractors (or government etc) will inflate the cost and will create the perception that something is needed in order to access that large quantity of money.
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Because the money is distributed to the population through indirect ways (hotel rooms, restaurants, real estate, tours, etc.), it does not magically go into a "Notre Dame fund" that can be tapped immediately after a fire.

Then those individuals who have been indirectly making money off it should be the ones paying for the reconstruction if it is so important to their future businesses. It would be a different matter to give charity if people were killed or injured but you are making a business argument. If it has been such an important economic driver as you claim then the economy there should have the ability to rebuild it itself. You are basically making the same argument used for bailing out Goldman Sachs. Let those who make the economic benefit be the ones responsible for the economic costs. Why should others pay the costs? Again if it was a true tragedy where people were killed and seriously permanently injured that would be a completely different matter.

 

[thirteen1031]

I'd also argue since the day of iTunes store's launch, artistic stewardship became an untold focus of Apple, and Jony Ive's near-insanity obsession with form confirms just that. Apple has been convincing the world it embodies art, and when a crisis situation like this one hits, making a statement is in Apple's interest.

Exactly. Norte Dame is a world treasure, both in art and engineering, and it’s laudable, and to be expected that Apple would do this. People can be as cynical as they like about Apple’s motivation in making such donations—to this, or to communities damaged by tital waves or fires. It makes no difference to the fact that Apple is usually consistent when it comes to such donations, and that they’re usually laudable.

I certainly can’t find fault in pledging to help to salvage an 850 year old piece of human history, ingenuity and beauty. I’m not sure why so many people think I should find fault with it.

 

[DevNull0]

Then those individuals who have been indirectly making money off it should be the ones paying for the reconstruction if it is so important to their future businesses. It would be a different matter to give charity if people were killed or injured but you are making a business argument. If it has been such an important economic driver as you claim then the economy there should have the ability to rebuild it itself. You are basically making the same argument used for bailing out Goldman Sachs. Let those who make the economic benefit be the ones responsible for the economic costs. Why should others pay the costs? Again if it was a true tragedy where people were killed and seriously permanently injured that would be a completely different matter.

First, what makes you think those people aren't donating to the restoration.

Second, if people are willingly donating their own money to pay for a restoration because the building means something to them, who are you to say, no those people shouldn't donate their own money, these other people should be the ones forced to donate it?

Third, you want to gatekeep which charities it's okay for people to give their own money to and which ones are not? People shouldn't be allowed to willing support Notre Dame with their own money because nobody was killed or injured? Wow, you want to live a horribly repressive world

 

[yaxomoxay]

Then those individuals who have been indirectly making money off it should be the ones paying for the reconstruction if it is so important to their future businesses. It would be a different matter to give charity if people were killed or injured but you are making a business argument. If it has been such an important economic driver as you claim then the economy there should have the ability to rebuild it itself. You are basically making the same argument used for bailing out Goldman Sachs. Let those who make the economic benefit be the ones responsible for the economic costs. Why should others pay the costs? Again if it was a true tragedy where people were killed and seriously permanently injured that would be a completely different matter.

People ARE donating to the Friends of Notre Dame (among others). You're telling other people how they should spend their money.

 

[spiddyman007]

Apple will be donating to Notre Dame rebuilding efforts to help restore the historic cathedral in Paris, according to a tweet from its CEO Tim Cook.

Notre Dame was significantly damaged in a fire on Monday. While the cause of the blaze remains unknown, the cathedral had been undergoing renovations, and at this point it is believed that it may have been accidental. Fortunately, reports indicate that no lives were lost in the fire, but at least one first responder is injured.

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Cook did not indicate how much Apple will donate to the efforts. Less than 24 hours after the fire, French billionaires and other companies have already pledged over $450 million to help rebuild Notre Dame.

Article Link: Apple Donating to Notre Dame Rebuilding Efforts in Paris After Historic Cathedral Damaged in Fire

Arson. Some priest hit the lottery

 

[Baymowe335]

Timmy already did. In the wake of this horrible tragedy, many companies and individuals are making very generous and specific pledges. Three wealthy French families alone totalled $700 Million. That is how to do something good in response to disaster.

Timmy, on the other hand says "Relieved that everyone is safe. Apple will be donating to the rebuilding efforts to help restore Notre Dame’s precious heritage for future generations." That smacks of his vague innuendo about his clogged product pipeline. Sure, plenty of products that will wow professionals are in the way. Sure we're going to donate to the restoration. I'm sure Timmy's idea is to wait until the repairs are complete in a couple of decades, drop 20 Euro in the collection plate and then take to twitter to brag about how without Apple there would be no Notre Dame. And that will still happen before a decent Mac Pro is releases.

Timmy needs to man up and make a specific donation or shut up.

Not sure if serious.

Apple is owned by the shareholders and we'd question a $700M donation. It's classy they did something.

What did Disney do? They have a park in Paris. I'm also a DIS shareholder and recognize every company can't be the savior of the world.

Give me a break.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

you think ... you don't feel ... you think ... in your world view ... you think the entire world should ... I'm sure glad we don't live in the hell on earth you wish we did.
Timmy
Timmy
Timmy
Timmy

lol I might wish for hell on earth, but you have no idea, because I haven’t said what I personally think. He asked for someone to make a cynical argument, so I came up with one for him. Then I came up with a further one to cancel it out. Then I pointed out how easy and sophomoric cynical arguments can be, and then you and Texas over there were so eager to attack someone you skipped over that, saw what you wanted to see, and flipped out.

I look forward to more of your passive-aggressive rants attempting to puff yourself up by belittling Tim Cook.

 

[DevNull0]

Not sure if serious.

Apple is owned by the shareholders and we'd question a $700M donation. It's classy they did something.

Yes, you're right. The point is that Timmy should keep his big fat mouth shut. He can't keep from spouting utter bull at every opportunity. He's an embarrassment to Apple and an embarrassment to the human race.

 

[dazz87]

Heard they got up to 700 million so far in donation, what a waste of all that money going to a building.

 

[cube]

Heard they got up to 700 million so far in donation, what a waste of all that money going to a building.

Following your comment, the NFL has been disbanded.
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And just how do you insure Priceless?

The contractors have insurance.

 

[nsayer]

Someone turn this into something cynical.

If only I was better with photoshop, I could work an Apple logo into the middle of the rosette.

 

[bunnspecial]

I figure they'll try to recreate it as closely as possible. I certainly hope they don't modernize it. Say with a steel frame and glass roof.

When I visited France in 2005, one of the sites I had the pleasure of visiting was the cathedral at Chartres, which is a bit newer(by about 25 years) that Notre Dame of Paris, but since it's a bit more out in the countryside has been modified somewhat less over the years. Also of note is that all of the windows were removed and stored in 1939, so they survived the war and by and large are original to the building.

In any case, in reading up a bit today, it seems as though Chartres had a something of a similar fire in the wood/lead roof in 1836. It was fitted with cast iron ribs supporting a copper roof to replace them. From the outside, it actually doesn't look noticeably different.

It's hard to say what will be decided for Notre Dame in Paris, and I imagine that enough old growth timber to be able to properly support the roof will be hard to come by. My OPINION is that something that looks correct and properly supports but also is fire resistant would probably be a good compromise for restoring it and preventing something like this from happening again. At the same time, it would be something to see it reconstructed with 12th/13th century techniques.

Whatever the case, I certainly will look forward to visiting the restored structure the next time I'm in Paris, whenever that happens to be.

 

[0388631]

Last I checked the donations were just over 500M Euros. The largest donations coming from a couple champagne houses.

 

[Baymowe335]

Yes, you're right. The point is that Timmy should keep his big fat mouth shut. He can't keep from spouting utter bull at every opportunity. He's an embarrassment to Apple and an embarrassment to the human race.

Not sure if serious. If so, LOL....what a ridiculous take.

 

[cube]

Last I checked the donations were just over 500M Euros. The largest donations coming from a couple champagne houses.

- 2 companies donated 200 million euro each
- 2 companies donated 100 million euro each
- Paris pledged 50 million euro (the owner is the French state)
- Several donations of 10 million euro or something
- An oak forest was donated
- Air France will donate transportation
- Donations are being collected from the public by websites

 

[TLNZstudios]

I don't login here much because cos of the fray and foul. but this. If you are from France know my heart so feels for you. This is a world should care thing. Thank you for the lady in the harbor to show you appreciated us. Lady Liberty.

 

[tooloud10]

No building has lasted that long besides the pyramids and who knows which other.

OK, let's stop you right there. That's not true.

Then you have the Crown of Thorns of Jesus.

That's highly speculative, at best.

You should really spend some time realizing what are the actual important things in the world... any is related to social media btw.

What you're really saying, of course, is that the things that you believe are important should be important to everyone else, but you don't get to make that determination for the rest of us.

It really IS a building, there's no disputing that. There really IS some historical and architectural significance to the structure, most of us would probably agree. But to expound beyond that about how much it should all mean to the rest of us--or that it's loss would change my life in any meaningful way...well, that's where you quickly lose me.

Let's say you have an extra million bucks laying around to donate to a cause--should you steer it towards a building (even a great one like Notre Dame) or steer it towards making sick kids get better?
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And just how do you insure Priceless?

It's not priceless--if it were, it could not be rebuilt. Yet, we'll watch it be rebuilt and I can promise you that there'll be a group of people watching the cost very closely and will know the exact number.
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That's the problem-

It's not just a building. It's a symbol of something.

No, the problem is actually that many people are ascribing their own feelings about a building to everyone else. It's a cool building that I would be sorry to see disappear, but it doesn't set my heart aflutter or have any special significance in most of our lives.

As unfortunate as it might be if the building disappeared, it wouldn't affect my life in any meaningful way.
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The problem with healthcare, medical experimentation, social projects, all that stuff, is that it's a bottomless pit. You could throw £500m in and it would still be empty.

So you're effectively denying that funding science/medicine/technology has ever resulted in major breakthroughs that have greatly improved the quality of life for millions of people? And you're using "but the building is so pretty" as the alternative to funding those other things?
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People need to take at least one semester of accounting before being allowed to graduate from high school or college. (No offense... it’s just these comments are insane.)

IKR?!? Yes, they'll write this off on their taxes as a charitable donation, as will every other party that donates. That's not the same as it being 'free' for them to donate it.