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Notre Dame doesn't belong to the Catholic Church, it belongs to the French Republic.

Currently French companies have reached 600 million euros (678 MUSD). It already seems like a race to see to gives the most.

Basically just returning the tax breaks Macron gifted them
 
I expected Apple and many companies to help in the repairs. But a red, white, and blue Apple logo? That’s a bit of an aggressive color scheme.
 
It is a supreme historical site of the world. At least Google it. It was built in 1163. No building has lasted that long besides the pyramids and who knows which other. Is from the medieval times and

When the Challenger and Columbia exploded the world was shocked and sad, this building burning... everybody in the world loses something forever.

Just do a research on the organ inside.... your jaw will fall off. Then you have the Crown of Thorns of Jesus.

You should really spend some time realizing what are the actual important things in the world... any is related to social media btw.


Indeed it is a magnificent building, but there are many older surviving buildings like this one, it's from 140 B.C.

List of oldest known surviving buildings

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People need to take at least one semester of accounting before being allowed to graduate from high school or college. (No offense... it’s just these comments are insane.)

No offense taken as I don’t think I said anything wrong. Well, besides the snarky comment in pricing. The last time I checked, businesses could deduct 10% of their taxable income. Has to be a 501(c)3 which the Catholic Church should be...
 
new apple store inside the notre dame?
Are you crazy :mad::p

Very depressing. We visited last year. It was most breath taking and awe inspiring.

And rebuilding will not be the same. Things simply aren't built like they used to.
 
Okay, I’m not usually cynical but this one’s got me.

I’ve visited Notre Dame. It’s incredible. Beautiful, historic and all of those other things which are being banded about.

Clearly some restoration work will need to be done but here’s where I have a problem... £500m has been raised in less than a day to fund its restoration. £500m. Regardless of the building’s beauty and importance, it’s still just a building. What could £500m do for healthcare research, or homelessness or any other worthy cause? But instead these huge companies manage to raise it to spend on something made of stone and wood - and somehow I find that quite distasteful.

I'll bite, for several reasons
First, this building is of significant importance to all people, people enjoy going for holidays and see this, might even prolong their lives.
This building outlived lots of generations of people.
There are plenty of people, too many already, yes, I like both my life and care about others but people have to die,
You see where it takes us now, eventually this world will be in deep **** because we care too much.

Distaste-full, not really.
 
The stone walls still stand, but I wonder how much the heat has weakened them. I fear the restoration will take decades at the very least. Vive la France! Vive Paris!

Sad that this occurred during the restauración that had already began, and the fire likely the fault of something went awry during said project.

The brick walls and foundation still standing for is a pure incredible testament to the masons that built this monument!

Leaves much power to the phrase ‘The don’t build them like that anymore’
 
It is sad but hopefully will bring a renewed age of civic interest by the wealthy and rich companies to be greater patrons for the arts and for our history. Kudos to all who step up on this and other projects.
 
Someone turn this into something cynical.
Ok. It’s too bad the Catholic Church doesn’t have any money to rebuild their own church, and needs everyone else to dig deep into their pockets to foot the bill, what with all the lands they own and taxes they don’t pay worldwide.

Hm. I started out being facetious, but there may be an actual cynical argument in there.
 
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Ok. It’s too bad the Catholic Church doesn’t have any money to rebuild their own church, and needs everyone else to dig deep into their pockets to foot the bill, what with all the lands they own and taxes they don’t pay worldwide.

Hm. I started out being facetious, but there may be an actual valid cyclical argument in there.

The Catholic Church doesn’t own the church. In 1905 France passed a law, as a result of which the State owns the physical building.
 
2019 iPhone prices just went up whilst Tim plays his woke credentials with the company's monopoly money.
 
The Catholic Church doesn’t own the church. In 1905 France passed a law, as a result of which the State owns the physical building.

That’s a great arrangement. That way, one religion can still spread their churches far and wide, and make everyone else everywhere pay for them. Alright, that’s all the cynicism I can muster.
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I've been to Notre Dame twice... yesterday was very hard to see such ruin happen....
Yeah, it was a challenge to watch that go on in real time and try to maintain a detached architectural perspective on it, but then Le Duc’s spire collapsed and it was like a punch right in the guts.
 
Yes, a fantastic marketing ploy. Why else would Apple do it? Because they really, really care? Let's not be naive.

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Yes, it is the Catholic Church, which is a single entity.
The Notre-Dame is actually owned by the France state, but not the catholic church.
 
That’s a great arrangement. That way, one religion can still spread their churches far and wide, and make everyone else everywhere pay for them.
In European countries in general their own history is some times also the history of the Catholic church and both can't be separated until that actually happened as modern states came to be.

A fun fact to illustrate this

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Do you know that the roundel in my country's air force comes from an order of exiled Templar Knights?
 
It is a supreme historical site of the world. At least Google it. It was built in 1163. No building has lasted that long besides the pyramids and who knows which other. Is from the medieval times and

When the Challenger and Columbia exploded the world was shocked and sad, this building burning... everybody in the world loses something forever.

Just do a research on the organ inside.... your jaw will fall off. Then you have the Crown of Thorns of Jesus.

You should really spend some time realizing what are the actual important things in the world... any is related to social media btw.
It is a great historical building,but is by no means the oldest surviving building. San Marco Basilica in Venice was completed in 1071. Its domed structure was modeled after the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (formerly Constantinople), which was completed in 537 AD. Other standing structures of even more antiquity can be found in Rome (Colosseum, 80 AD) , parts of Greece (Parthenon, dating from 432 BC), and throughout Asia and the Near East. Notre Dame is among several other great cathedrals to be found in France, which is second only to Rome and Venice in Western Catholic antiquity and heritage. I have never visited Paris, and now wish I had - the old cathedral likely won't complete renovations in my remaining lifetime. It is amazing that the building survived both the French Revolution and two world wars. Even Hitler refrained from bombing the historical treasures of Paris and structures such as Chartres Cathedral in the French countryside.
 
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Fortunately, it seems that the only artistic thing damaged was one of the windows. The roof was mostly 19th century, all of the statues in the spire were removed prior to the fire, and all of the stonework is intact.

They just don't make 'em like they used to.

Edit: I stand corrected. The wooden inner structure was from the 12th century and it's all gone. How the hell wasn't there fire suppression built for this kindling? And good god, the roof was made of LEAD.

To your point about the lead, I guess the reason the smoke was yellow is bc it was burning up. That can't be good for the people around there. Ugh.
 
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To your point about the lead, I guess the reason the smoke was yellow is bc it was burning up. That can't be good for the people around there. Ugh.
The lead melted. It didn’t vaporize. It would have to be around 3000 degrees Fahrenheit to vaporize.
 
The lead melted. It didn’t vaporize. It would have to be around 3000 degrees Fahrenheit to vaporize.

Melting lead is melting lead. There's a reason why you aren't supposed to huff the fumes when you're soldering something, be it electronics or stained glass.
 

Well, the building has generated, generates, and will generate billions of dollars to its community if not an entire country. During the years, Notre Dame has provided to more people what a billion of dollars can't provide if not for a very limited time and for a limited set of people. There are about 9 million people living below poverty line in France (1,000Euros or less a month). A billion dollar would generate about 110Euros per person below poverty line. Once. A billion dollar invested to reconstruct Notre Dame will provide much more money to the community each year, for a few hundred years, therefore limiting poverty and increasing the numbers of jobs.
Also, Notre Dame is surrounded by homes and offices. Part of their high value is because they are at "walking distance" from Notre Dame (among others). Without a fully functioning Notre Dame, thousands of building would lose part of their value and appeal.

In addition, yeah. Lives are lost every day, and suffer every day. Take a snapshot of today's earth. All 7.5 billion people. You can be sure that in 120 years or so, all of them will be dead. A few other billions will keep dying, most likely until the end of times, exactly as many billions died in the past for whatever reason. What remains of those billions of people? Their work, what they left behind them. Notre Dame is one of the things that Parisians left us, leave us, and will keep leaving us (until its destruction). They left it us during several wars, governments, poverty, richness, empires, and revolutions. All the poor in Paris are represented by that building. All the rich in Paris are represented by that building. That building is one of the things that remain of all Parisians that lived, worked, and died since the day the first stone was set. A brutal emperor was crowned in there and I walked in there. We are equalized in there as that building is what remains; neither Napoleon or myself will outlive it.
So no, for a society which is fairly in good shape, a building like that one is not only a good investment, but a fundamental functional element.
 
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