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[Mousse]

The reason is apparent and made clear by invoking Nazi Germany as a mean to compare action conducted by a Jewish country in self defense. The allegation is so overtly over the top and unfounded factually or historically ... it crosses the line into becoming passive aggressive form of antisemitism, which is commonplace today among the radicals in the United States, Islamists, and European elitists (who incidently have a clear and accomplished history of Jew hatred) that are terrified of alienating their own violent Islamist populations.

Not to be that guy, but I don't equate the Israeli government with the Jews. In the same vein, I don't equate Republicans with Christians. What the Israeli government is doing runs counter to the teachings of Judaism. The Torah places a lot of emphasis on morality and justice. Same as the Bible and the Quran. It's a pity too many people get their religion from politicians. That's why they think every Muslim is a terrorist, every Christian is a gun nut and Israel represents Judaism.

You don't go the McDonald's for a pizza, so stop getting your religion from politicians. What you get from politics is the opposite of what the real religion represents. There are entire chapters in the Bible teaching us to treat immigrants with kindness and justice, completely counter to what the US Government does. Read the Bible, Torah and Quran. Then you'd understand real Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

 

[Madhatter32]

Not to be that guy, but I don't equate the Israeli government with the Jews. In the same vein, I don't equate Republicans with Christians. What the Israeli government is doing runs counter to the teachings of Judaism. The Torah places a lot of emphasis on morality and justice. Same as the Bible and the Quran. It's a pity too many people get their religion from politicians. That's why they think every Muslim is a terrorist, every Christian is a gun nut and Israel represents Judaism.

Whether you equate Israel with Jews or think its governance is consistent with Jewish values is not the point. The point is that comparing Israel with Nazi Germany is a very clear anti-semitic micro-aggression. Why? Because Germany set up concentration camps to systematically slaughter their own Jewish citizenry (and, in fact, all Jews in Europe). They did not even have a own country then, and certainly did not start/declare war against Germany. I will not even get into the differences between Israel's conduct in the recent war (which is more akin to British and American military conduct in WWII) with anything relating to Nazi Germany.

The Nazi Germany comparison is odious and ridiculous on the facts and as a matter history -- no matter what you happen to think of Israel, Judaism, the bible, or whatever else. People can choose to compare Israel with a lot of nasty (or good) regimes in history but the people choose Nazi Germany for a very clear reason.

 

[ThomasJL]

FYI: the ice wearing masks… whatever happened to the proud boys, the oath keepers, others like them? Why do you think they wear masks? (Rhetorical question, answer is obvious, no replies please.)

ICE (and other militant fascist groups like them) wears masks because in addition to being Gestapo thugs, they are also cowards. And Tim Cook’s financial support of Trump serves to support those thugs.

By the way, considering how ICE thugs are allowed to wear masks, it’s ironic and hypocritical how it’s illegal in many places in the U.S. for people to responsibly and considerately wear surgical masks or N95 masks to protect themselves and others from COVID. Those anti-mask laws were put in place by genocide-supporting American politicians (both Republican and Democrat) to stop anti-Israel demonstrations because a lot of those demonstrators were wearing surgical masks and N95 masks.

By financially supporting Trump and other pro-Israel politicians, Cook is one of the many Silicon Valley billionaire enablers of ICE thuggery and hypocritical anti-mask laws.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

By financially supporting Trump and other pro-Israel politicians, Cook is one of the many Silicon Valley billionaire enablers of ICE thuggery and hypocritical anti-mask laws.

Oh don't worry - Apple's support of ICE Thuggery isn't strictly financial.

 

[Mousse]

Whether you equate Israel with Jews or think its governance is consistent with Jewish values is not the point.

That is exactly the point. They cannot claim to be a Jewish if all their actions runs counter to Jewish teachings and traditions. A glow in the dark white guy can identify as a black man all he wants, at the end of the day he's still a white guy. Criticizing that white guy isn't an attack on black men.

The Israeli government != Jews. Calling out the Israeli government isn't being anti-semitic, just like calling out the actions of Hamas isn't being Islamophobic.

The point is that comparing Israel with Nazi Germany is a very clear anti-semitic micro-aggression.

Again, not anti-semitic because Israeli government != Jewish people.

Why? Because Germany set up concentration camps to systematically slaughter their own Jewish citizenry (and, in fact, all Jews in Europe). They did not even have a own country then, and certainly did not start/declare war against Germany.

Whoever made that analogy clearly doesn't know history as well as they think.

I will not even get into the differences between Israel's conduct in the recent war (which is more akin to British and American military conduct in WWII) with anything relating to Nazi Germany.

Very accurate, maybe not exactly WWII and not exactly the military. British colonizers and early American settlers have a nasty habit of stealing people's land, displacing the natives and often times killing them. No one talks about the Bengal famine of 1943🤫 because the British are the good guys.🙄 That's what the Isreali government is doing in Gaza.

The Nazi Germany comparison is odious and ridiculous on the facts and as a matter history

Yes. Worst of all, it's inaccurate.

-- no matter what you happen to think of Israel, Judaism, the bible, or whatever else. People can choose to compare Israel with a lot of nasty (or good) regimes in history but the people choose Nazi Germany for a very clear reason.

People think Nazi Germany was the worst regime in history. They're the JV squad compared to the Ghengis Khan's Mongol hordes or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge or Leopold II's Congo Free State.

 

[Madhatter32]

That is exactly the point. They cannot claim to be a Jewish if all their actions runs counter to Jewish teachings and traditions. A glow in the dark white guy can identify as a black man all he wants, at the end of the day he's still a white guy. Criticizing that white guy isn't an attack on black men.

The Israeli government != Jews. Calling out the Israeli government isn't being anti-semitic, just like calling out the actions of Hamas isn't being Islamophobic.

Again, not anti-semitic because Israeli government != Jewish people.

Whoever made that analogy clearly doesn't know history as well as they think.

Very accurate, maybe not exactly WWII and not exactly the military. British colonizers and early American settlers have a nasty habit of stealing people's land, displacing the natives and often times killing them. No one talks about the Bengal famine of 1943🤫 because the British are the good guys.🙄 That's what the Isreali government is doing in Gaza.

Yes. Worst of all, it's inaccurate.

People think Nazi Germany was the worst regime in history. They're the JV squad compared to the Ghengis Khan's Mongol hordes or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge or Leopold II's Congo Free State.

Sure, people can criticize Israel. That criticism should not be based on obvious antisemitic bias though.

Also, with respect to your claim that Israel is not a "Jewish" state and therefore all arguments enjoy immunity from allegations of antisemitism is flawed reasoning and ignores reality. First, it's like saying the Vatican is not Catholic because of the pope -- for example, popes like Alexander VI or John XII. The Vatican is Catholic regardless. Second, most people on planet Earth recognize that Israel has an unmistakable association with Jewish people, regardless of how one wants to define Jewish religious practice/values. As a matter of fact, Israel, like other countries, has an official religion. In Israel, it's Judaism (not to the exclusion of others). Also, there is also no level religiosity required to be Jewish. There are many secular Jews who are still Jews. So, to say someone is not Jewish because they hold the different beliefs than what you think they should hold as "Jewish" -- well, that is the definition of bias.

But in the context of my original post, regardless of anyone's concept of "Jewishness," it is quite clear that the comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany (no matter how high or low one might place Nazy Germany in the pantheon of odious regimes like the Mongols, Pol Pot, etc.) are purposefully made without any legitimate basis for comparison and smacks of antisemtic bias given the history.