Apple Donating to Trump's $350M White House Ballroom Project

[Mousse]

The reason is apparent and made clear by invoking Nazi Germany as a mean to compare action conducted by a Jewish country in self defense. The allegation is so overtly over the top and unfounded factually or historically ... it crosses the line into becoming passive aggressive form of antisemitism, which is commonplace today among the radicals in the United States, Islamists, and European elitists (who incidently have a clear and accomplished history of Jew hatred) that are terrified of alienating their own violent Islamist populations.

Not to be that guy, but I don't equate the Israeli government with the Jews. In the same vein, I don't equate Republicans with Christians. What the Israeli government is doing runs counter to the teachings of Judaism. The Torah places a lot of emphasis on morality and justice. Same as the Bible and the Quran. It's a pity too many people get their religion from politicians. That's why they think every Muslim is a terrorist, every Christian is a gun nut and Israel represents Judaism.

You don't go the McDonald's for a pizza, so stop getting your religion from politicians. What you get from politics is the opposite of what the real religion represents. There are entire chapters in the Bible teaching us to treat immigrants with kindness and justice, completely counter to what the US Government does. Read the Bible, Torah and Quran. Then you'd understand real Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

 

[Madhatter32]

Not to be that guy, but I don't equate the Israeli government with the Jews. In the same vein, I don't equate Republicans with Christians. What the Israeli government is doing runs counter to the teachings of Judaism. The Torah places a lot of emphasis on morality and justice. Same as the Bible and the Quran. It's a pity too many people get their religion from politicians. That's why they think every Muslim is a terrorist, every Christian is a gun nut and Israel represents Judaism.

Whether you equate Israel with Jews or think its governance is consistent with Jewish values is not the point. The point is that comparing Israel with Nazi Germany is a very clear anti-semitic micro-aggression. Why? Because Germany set up concentration camps to systematically slaughter their own Jewish citizenry (and, in fact, all Jews in Europe). They did not even have a own country then, and certainly did not start/declare war against Germany. I will not even get into the differences between Israel's conduct in the recent war (which is more akin to British and American military conduct in WWII) with anything relating to Nazi Germany.

The Nazi Germany comparison is odious and ridiculous on the facts and as a matter history -- no matter what you happen to think of Israel, Judaism, the bible, or whatever else. People can choose to compare Israel with a lot of nasty (or good) regimes in history but the people choose Nazi Germany for a very clear reason.

 

[ThomasJL]

FYI: the ice wearing masks… whatever happened to the proud boys, the oath keepers, others like them? Why do you think they wear masks? (Rhetorical question, answer is obvious, no replies please.)

ICE (and other militant fascist groups like them) wears masks because in addition to being Gestapo thugs, they are also cowards. And Tim Cook’s financial support of Trump serves to support those thugs.

By the way, considering how ICE thugs are allowed to wear masks, it’s ironic and hypocritical how it’s illegal in many places in the U.S. for people to responsibly and considerately wear surgical masks or N95 masks to protect themselves and others from COVID. Those anti-mask laws were put in place by genocide-supporting American politicians (both Republican and Democrat) to stop anti-Israel demonstrations because a lot of those demonstrators were wearing surgical masks and N95 masks.

By financially supporting Trump and other pro-Israel politicians, Cook is one of the many Silicon Valley billionaire enablers of ICE thuggery and hypocritical anti-mask laws.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

By financially supporting Trump and other pro-Israel politicians, Cook is one of the many Silicon Valley billionaire enablers of ICE thuggery and hypocritical anti-mask laws.

Oh don't worry - Apple's support of ICE Thuggery isn't strictly financial.

 

[Mousse]

Whether you equate Israel with Jews or think its governance is consistent with Jewish values is not the point.

That is exactly the point. They cannot claim to be a Jewish if all their actions runs counter to Jewish teachings and traditions. A glow in the dark white guy can identify as a black man all he wants, at the end of the day he's still a white guy. Criticizing that white guy isn't an attack on black men.

The Israeli government != Jews. Calling out the Israeli government isn't being anti-semitic, just like calling out the actions of Hamas isn't being Islamophobic.

The point is that comparing Israel with Nazi Germany is a very clear anti-semitic micro-aggression.

Again, not anti-semitic because Israeli government != Jewish people.

Why? Because Germany set up concentration camps to systematically slaughter their own Jewish citizenry (and, in fact, all Jews in Europe). They did not even have a own country then, and certainly did not start/declare war against Germany.

Whoever made that analogy clearly doesn't know history as well as they think.

I will not even get into the differences between Israel's conduct in the recent war (which is more akin to British and American military conduct in WWII) with anything relating to Nazi Germany.

Very accurate, maybe not exactly WWII and not exactly the military. British colonizers and early American settlers have a nasty habit of stealing people's land, displacing the natives and often times killing them. No one talks about the Bengal famine of 1943🤫 because the British are the good guys.🙄 That's what the Isreali government is doing in Gaza.

The Nazi Germany comparison is odious and ridiculous on the facts and as a matter history

Yes. Worst of all, it's inaccurate.

-- no matter what you happen to think of Israel, Judaism, the bible, or whatever else. People can choose to compare Israel with a lot of nasty (or good) regimes in history but the people choose Nazi Germany for a very clear reason.

People think Nazi Germany was the worst regime in history. They're the JV squad compared to the Ghengis Khan's Mongol hordes or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge or Leopold II's Congo Free State.

 

[Madhatter32]

That is exactly the point. They cannot claim to be a Jewish if all their actions runs counter to Jewish teachings and traditions. A glow in the dark white guy can identify as a black man all he wants, at the end of the day he's still a white guy. Criticizing that white guy isn't an attack on black men.

The Israeli government != Jews. Calling out the Israeli government isn't being anti-semitic, just like calling out the actions of Hamas isn't being Islamophobic.

Again, not anti-semitic because Israeli government != Jewish people.

Whoever made that analogy clearly doesn't know history as well as they think.

Very accurate, maybe not exactly WWII and not exactly the military. British colonizers and early American settlers have a nasty habit of stealing people's land, displacing the natives and often times killing them. No one talks about the Bengal famine of 1943🤫 because the British are the good guys.🙄 That's what the Isreali government is doing in Gaza.

Yes. Worst of all, it's inaccurate.

People think Nazi Germany was the worst regime in history. They're the JV squad compared to the Ghengis Khan's Mongol hordes or Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge or Leopold II's Congo Free State.

Sure, people can criticize Israel. That criticism should not be based on obvious antisemitic bias though.

Also, with respect to your claim that Israel is not a "Jewish" state and therefore all arguments enjoy immunity from allegations of antisemitism is flawed reasoning and ignores reality. First, it's like saying the Vatican is not Catholic because of the pope -- for example, popes like Alexander VI or John XII. The Vatican is Catholic regardless. Second, most people on planet Earth recognize that Israel has an unmistakable association with Jewish people, regardless of how one wants to define Jewish religious practice/values. As a matter of fact, Israel, like other countries, has an official religion. In Israel, it's Judaism (not to the exclusion of others). Also, there is also no level religiosity required to be Jewish. There are many secular Jews who are still Jews. So, to say someone is not Jewish because they hold the different beliefs than what you think they should hold as "Jewish" -- well, that is the definition of bias.

But in the context of my original post, regardless of anyone's concept of "Jewishness," it is quite clear that the comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany (no matter how high or low one might place Nazy Germany in the pantheon of odious regimes like the Mongols, Pol Pot, etc.) are purposefully made without any legitimate basis for comparison and smacks of antisemtic bias given the history.

 

[OverTheHill]

Thank him for what? Building a ballroom while millions of Americans worry about feeding themselves because he failed to fund the government?

He didn’t fail to fund anything. The Democrats and their petty pissing match over extending COVID subsidies well beyond their shelf life did that. This is the problem with such programs. People think they come with a lifetime of commitment when they don’t. On a much larger scale, Subsidized student loans is what got us into the tuition mess, now they just want education for free now that free money has blown up tuition rates with bloated salaries to academics poisoning students with their indoctrination sessions and made up degree programs that guarantee nothing more than a job as a barista.

 

[OverTheHill]

Whether you equate Israel with Jews or think its governance is consistent with Jewish values is not the point. The point is that comparing Israel with Nazi Germany is a very clear anti-semitic micro-aggression. Why? Because Germany set up concentration camps to systematically slaughter their own Jewish citizenry (and, in fact, all Jews in Europe). They did not even have a own country then, and certainly did not start/declare war against Germany. I will not even get into the differences between Israel's conduct in the recent war (which is more akin to British and American military conduct in WWII) with anything relating to Nazi Germany.

The Nazi Germany comparison is odious and ridiculous on the facts and as a matter history -- no matter what you happen to think of Israel, Judaism, the bible, or whatever else. People can choose to compare Israel with a lot of nasty (or good) regimes in history but the people choose Nazi Germany for a very clear reason.

Living on Mars must be interesting for some of these people.😔

 

[JoeG4]

He didn’t fail to fund anything. The Democrats and their petty pissing match over extending COVID subsidies well beyond their shelf life did that. This is the problem with such programs. People think they come with a lifetime of commitment when they don’t. Subsidized student loans is what got us into the tuition mess, now they just want education for free now that free money has blown up tuition rates with bloated salaries to academics poisoning students with their indoctrination sessions.

Such programs? You mean "romneycare"?

We really should name this as it is. That was a program dreamed up by a republican, approved by republicans.

Cuz there aint nothing more republican than funneling taxpayer money into private corporations.

 

[OverTheHill]

Yes, Trump and Truth are not synonyms.

Do you even listen to the crap spewed from the left these days? Gimmie a break.

 

[OverTheHill]

Yes, Christians are backing Trump? He's cheated on his wife with a porn star, raped a woman, and tries to prevent needy humans from getting court ordered food help (snap). GMAB

So you’re cool with Hamas tying women to trees and raping them? Waiting for your equivalent outrage.

Such programs? You mean "romneycare"?

We really should name this as it is. That was a program dreamed up by a republican, approved by republicans.

Cuz there aint nothing more republican than funneling taxpayer money into private corporations.

Yawn. ACA is so far removed from “Romney Care”, as you put it, it’s laughable. The funding criteria for ACA is completly out of whack with reality. Plus, they failed to deregulate the insurance industry across state lines which adds billions to the cost of insurance. The only thing the government should be doing is regulating the standards of coverage so they are the same everywhere. This nonsense of in network and out of network is a joke. That alone would negate any need for subsidies. The COVID subsidies to ACA were temporary and now people want those to be permanent. All it’s doing is driving up cost. Two words: pay up.

 

[rhinosrcool]

So you’re cool with Hamas tying women to trees and raping them? Waiting for your equivalent outrage.

I'm not defending Hamas. There are children and adults being starved and killed by Netanyahu. He's a piece of **** like Trump. Many jews are against Netanyahu.

 

[stevet]

January 20, 2029

You’re dreaming buddy. Majority of Americans including real democrats don’t want your communist/progressive/socialist stuff

 

[OverTheHill]

You’re dreaming buddy. Majority of Americans including real democrats don’t want your communist/progressive/socialist stuff

The great New York experiment with be just that. An experiment. And a reminder since these Millenials and Zoomers don’t have any concept of how bad things were in the Eastern Bloc. They all need to visit Berlin and walk the wall looking at what buildings that are still left on the Eastern side vs. the West to get a taste of the socialist homes they want so badly. I had the opportunity to live in Germany from 1990-1992 with the Air Force (Ramstein) and anyone who thinks Socialism is a good thing is delusional. People forget what New York looked like 40 years ago. Hate on Trump, but the Bonwit Teller building was a boarded up dump surrounded by hookers and drug dealers before Trump Tower.

Here’s a taste for those who can’t travel (before they’re all demolished):

Why the legacy of East Germany’s prefab housing blocks is more relevant than ever

Once considered progressive, then later derided, a new exhibition is exploring the developments’ place as part of a collective experience

www.theguardian.com

Or maybe people need a reminder of the projects in Chicago from 30 years ago. Literally out of a bad movie. What’s replaced it isn’t much better than Eastern Bloc. It’s new now, but give it 20 years and it will be a dump. People don’t take care of public housing because it’s not theirs. Upkeep falls on the government and eventually government money runs out.

Robert Taylor Homes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Socialism entices you with equality, then it makes you a codependent. Finally it crushes your soul leaving you in despair and at the mercy of tyranny. You think there’s wealth inequality now? LOL. There’s winners and losers in every country. Politicians are the most narcissistic people you’ll ever meet. They care about one thing, power. At least a billionaire like Trump (who is not a politician, which is why the left hates him so much) will give you a job. People like Mamdani would love to see New York revert to the dump it was 40 years ago and laugh all along the way. He’s promised it and put some sugar on it to make it look like a good idea. Like he said, mom and dad will support me! They’ll pack up and head back to Uganda and retire like kings.

 

[Imperial926]

Those of us in Europe, including the UK feel so sad to see what is happening in the US right now. Quite why some see that it's a binary choice between Trump or Communism leaves us speechless. There is a middle road, lined with common sense and that thing that seems to be disappearing fast, democracy.
At the moment, a lot of you need to wake up and just note what happens the moment anyone disagrees with Trump or just anyone who even slightly questions policy decisions. Democracy, if you need reminding, allows for alternative views, permits debate and acknowledges losing an argument.
As things stand, you have a president with serious health issues that are only going to get worse and lead to even more draconian measures as you slide into dictatorship. All the signs are there. The courts and media get hunted down first, the universities and other pillars of society follow.
If you disagree, well good luck on this chosen journey. You're welcome to it.

 

[Madhatter32]

Those of us in Europe, including the UK feel so sad to see what is happening in the US right now.

Those of you in Europe, including the UK, are not in the position to preach about political moderation and a "middle road" both as a collection of disfunctional governmental bureaucracies that have handed over issues of national sovereignty to a supranational entity far removed from local popular will and culture or as a coalition of countries that is willing or able to protect their own collective national security. Democracy is not healthy there at all and we, in America, look at what is happening there with sadness.

 

[Imperial926]

Those of you in Europe, including the UK, are not in the position to preach about political moderation and a "middle road" both as a collection of disfunctional governmental bureaucracies that have handed over issues of national sovereignty to a supranational entity far removed from local popular will and culture or as a coalition of countries that is willing or able to protect their own collective national security. Democracy is not healthy there at all and we, in America, look at what is happening there with sadness.

I couldn't disagree more but good luck with what's coming at you down the line.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

Quite why some see that it's a binary choice between Trump or Communism leaves us speechless.

Woah woah woah since when are there communists in the picture? The other guys are maybe a half-inch left of center.

 

[Imperial926]

Woah woah woah since when are there communists in the picture? The other guys are maybe a half-inch left of center.

It was in an earlier post from someone here. I note that Trump has called Mamdani a communist. Where I live he would qualify pretty much as a centrist. That's mainly because where I live we do have free healthcare for children (and everyone else for that matter) so we don't see policies like that as in any way radical. Quite why Americans think free healthcare is a bad idea is beyond me. As to it being allied to communism is just a joke.

 

[OverTheHill]

It was in an earlier post from someone here. I note that Trump has called Mamdani a communist. Where I live he would qualify pretty much as a centrist. That's mainly because where I live we do have free healthcare for children (and everyone else for that matter) so we don't see policies like that as in any way radical. Quite why Americans think free healthcare is a bad idea is beyond me. As to it being allied to communism is just a joke.

Just shows how far left where you live has become. Like a frog in slow boiling water.

 

[Imperial926]

Just shows how far left where you live has become. Like a frog in slow boiling water.

It's called having moral values and not putting corporations first. Interesting that you think that the young, the old and poorest in society should just suck it up. Republicans and the majority in Europe are now so far apart in their value system it's going to take a very long time to rebuild the so-called special relationship.
Today I walked past a sign commemorating the incredible work of the US Rangers in retaking the Pointe du Hoc during the 2nd World War. As I inwardly thanked them for their selfless contribution to my life today I also felt this overwhelming sadness at the America I see emerging today. I hold no special place for Democrats or the likes of Mamdani. Neither do I see life in Europe as in any way perfect. What I do see are some fundamentals going out the window - the ability for people to properly inform themselves by reading widely and not living within an echo chamber - the ability to see that actions and restrictions applied to others may soon affect them in the same way.
The inability of the majority of Americans to see where Trump and his associates are leading you is extraordinary in an age when information is free and available to all.

 

[OverTheHill]

It's called having moral values and not putting corporations first. Interesting that you think that the young, the old and poorest in society should just suck it up. Republicans and the majority in Europe are now so far apart in their value system it's going to take a very long time to rebuild the so-called special relationship.
Today I walked past a sign commemorating the incredible work of the US Rangers in retaking the Pointe du Hoc during the 2nd World War. As I inwardly thanked them for their selfless contribution to my life today I also felt this overwhelming sadness at the America I see emerging today. I hold no special place for Democrats or the likes of Mamdani. Neither do I see life in Europe as in any way perfect. What I do see are some fundamentals going out the window - the ability for people to properly inform themselves by reading widely and not living within an echo chamber - the ability to see that actions and restrictions applied to others may soon affect them in the same way.
The inability of the majority of Americans to see where Trump and his associates are leading you is extraordinary in an age when information is free and available to all.

The only problem in America right now is 100 years of flirting with Socialist ideas since the Great Depression. At least the progression has been slow. Not so for countries with former Monarchies where they were accustomed to getting what governance gives them. They just transferred the allegiance from the Monarchy to the newly established government. The exact thing people who came here wanted to get away from. With a massive influx of people from semi-Socialist or outright Socialist countries who don’t understand how to participate in Capitalism over the last few years, it’s no wonder there is a rise. Cause, what they left was so great in the first place? Let’s wreck another country! Some outright want to destroy America so there is that motivation as well.

 

[whatnot]

Just shows how far left where you live has become. Like a frog in slow boiling water.

if anything left of centre can lead to communist socialist marxist hell, surely plain old fascism is the ultimate destination in opposite direction - how far right is right enough for your liking?

 

[OverTheHill]

if anything left of centre can lead to communist socialist marxist hell, surely plain old fascism is the ultimate destination in opposite direction - how far right is right enough for your liking?

You all need a new shtick. It’s beyond old, and as it be pathetic. Must be nice to be the party of lying every time they open their mouths only to have the media carry the crap that spews forth for the lemmings to eat up.

Good thing this Fascist isn’t in office anymore. Jesus. We’d be screwed:

It’s pretty sad the left has gotten to a point where conservatives would be good having Bill Clinton in office. The left has completely lost its way and its collective mind in the process.

 

[whatnot]

You all need a new shtick. It’s beyond old, and as it be pathetic. Must be nice to be the party of lying every time they open their mouths only to have the media carry the crap that spews forth for the lemmings to eat up.

oh dear, triggered much? what is this word salad, your deflection rant shtick?