LOL. Wrong. I just bought a 10th Gen, and I think this RAM price hike is ridiculous.
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Apple Doubles the Price of RAM Upgrade on Entry-Level 13-Inch MacBook Pro
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Seems like it was more of a promo pricing situation than a permanent price cut. All of Apple’s other Macs are $200 for the 8—>16GB upgrade.
I’m getting tired of Apple price policy. It is ridiculous.
it is ridiculous to have a €1400 notebook with only 8 Gb of RAM...
it is ridiculous to have a €1400 notebook with only 8 Gb of RAM...
It is plausible that banning several technologies including RAM from China caused this as Mac products manufactured mostly from China.
*sigh* I thought I could just about stretch to a base MBP with a £100 upgrade to 16GB, but now I guess I'm going to have to settle for a second hand 2019 MBP with the old keyboard. I want 16GB to 'future proof' it a little.
This is just pure greed on Apple's part. Even if there is a supply chain issue, there's no way soldering a stick of 8GB or 16GB RAM justifies a £200 increase now, especially when its non-upgradeable by the end user.
We're already losing out in the UK in that even though the exchange rate favours GBP, Apple still sells stuff here at a premium. I know there's things like import tax to take care of, but a base MBP costing $1299 shouldn't cost £1299.
This is just pure greed on Apple's part. Even if there is a supply chain issue, there's no way soldering a stick of 8GB or 16GB RAM justifies a £200 increase now, especially when its non-upgradeable by the end user.
We're already losing out in the UK in that even though the exchange rate favours GBP, Apple still sells stuff here at a premium. I know there's things like import tax to take care of, but a base MBP costing $1299 shouldn't cost £1299.
Wow, I just bought 64 Gb of OWC ECC RAM for my 2013 Mac Pro and that only cost me $200. Geez
This is quite possible, but it does effectively scuttle the idea of anyone buying such a model with 16GB - especially the 512GB SSD model since for only $100 you could get the $1799 model which is a significantly better value.
Chinese companies are not really a major player in the RAM market, at least as compared to South Korea and the United States so, Apple sources their RAM from the latter two countries.
When I first "discovered" AAPL around 2005 I recall their computer market share being around 5%. I was amazed at the opportunity, since Mac OS was (and still is IMHO) far superior to MSoft. I figured once the rest of the world "got" what we few "got," it'd be a democratic/republican type of back & forth. The fact their market share is only 12% 15 years later is, I'm guessing, continues to e due to their cost of entry, keeping consumers away. Now with APPL's need to show continued revenue growth, I never expect to see any "good deals" in computers coming from Cupertino.
Huh? Macbooks have had soldered RAM since the 2012 retina macbook pro.
Remember the good'ol days when you could buy and upgrade your RAM yourself... Man that was nice 
Remember the good'ol days when you could buy and upgrade your RAM yourself... Man that was nice
That’s my beef. I used to buy the Mac that I needed today and then upgrade RAM and storage as needs changed. I got YEARS out of old hardware that way. Now, you either buy what you need today (in the hope that it will be enough over the life of the machine) or buy more than you need, which feels sucky because of what they charge for these upgrades at the factory and the fact that you don’t need it. Either that or upgrade the entire machine more often that you need to.
Right now, I’m not leaning one way or the other (and/or Linux) when the time comes to buy new or refurbished machines. But regarding longevity—Today, I updated two 10+ year old, cheapo machines (both spinners) to the latest available W10 version. They hadn’t been used since they were updated to W10 from W7 (HP had recommended to not update them) about 7 months ago. I used both for about an hour and a half after updating—they ran well.
From what I’ve heard and read, my experience is not unusual.
Still, they assemble all parts from many countries and they are able to copy and steal.
Hahahahahaha........ I put 64Gb of RAM in my X1Extreme Gen 2 for the new price of 16Gb from Apple. How's that KoolAid taste?
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But lets not pretend Apple is the only one soldering on RAM in thin and light laptops
My XPS 13 9360 from late 2016 I got a maybe 2 years ago now is soldered on too.
Lmaooo! Too funny.
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Tim should have taken off his prototype Apple Glasses! Lol. Still bugs in it, I see.
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That's a problem with things being digital in general.
We know a lot about history because of writing. Think how much has been lost already to floppy disks and old magnetic tape. Maybe you find a floppy disk and a way to read it a thousand years from now, assuming the data is retrievable. But where will iCloud, Box, Google Drive, and photographs in general be. Historians will have a tough time sorting through this age. A lot of information, but how long will it last.
I found some stuff I made and posted on the Web back in the 1990s still on freeservers.com and Tripod a couple years back. Was pretty cool. I didn't have it saved anywhere else. Were just web-sites I made in high school, but still fun to see. And while I do have my iTools homepage and mobileme galleries downloaded *somewhere* (on a hard drive somewhere in storage), it's not exactly accessible. Human nature. In general I believe it's more likely in another 30 years data I put on Google Drive will still be there more than I trust iCloud will still exist. It's possible neither will, but I'm putting my money on Google Drive (I also use OneDrive for duplicates of things I store online). With Apple, I went through so many transitions, I don't want to deal with them again. They had the right idea the first time with iDisk (although it was extremely slow). Then they got rid of iDisk altogether. They they came out with storage that only let you store things with apps. I don't use it now, but I think now it's a mix of app based document storage and "iDisk style" storage. For me, it would be nice if files I had put on iDisk were still there. I know I had time to download them, and like I said, they are somewhere. I just don't exactly know where. That's what's nice about cloud storage. You don't have to fiddle with hard drives and transitioning data from location to location. But with Apple it's always been a lot of work. I remember when they switched from MobileMe to iCloud (or was it dotMac to MobileMe?), you couldn't even continue using your services without an OS upgrade and they were sending out members DVDs of the new OS to continue being able to access basic things like your Apple email.
I understand this and sometimes think the same to entertain the idea of ditching MacOS (I use Windows and MacOS both 50/50 currently on the same MacBook). However, maybe luckily, I haven’t had any real issues in the 13 years I have been using Mac laptops.
The few times I had issues for other gadgets and things, going to the apple store and back is a rather frictionless affair (albeit time consuming).
The reviews when they compare similarly priced laptops but with the PC version way more powerful is not such a clear comparison: that HP, Lenovo, Razer, etc laptop with a RTX 2070 will last like 1.5hrs NEW on battery power and perform considerably worse than the same MacBook on battery. While on power it will perform better but on short bursts. Microphones and speakers (this I find useless though) might suck big, sometimes they offer a massive gpu but a 6-core cpu max and 16GB system RAM max for some reason. They might boast about these many pixels more and color range overshoot... yet, there’s sometimes just something off, I work sometimes with required color-corrected material and can be at peace with any apple monitor.
If at all, this would just make me skip that ram upgrade or just go for the next tier with double everything and future proof myself.
Might be unfair of me since it’s been years since it’s been 13+ since I had real issues with laptops before going Apple, today it might be all sorted out for the most part, however some brands still feel a bit bendy or plasticky on some corners. Those $100, $200, $400 saved are being taken out from somewhere, guaranteed.
