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I did play with the 16" MacBook Pro today at Costco, and honestly I was surprised because MacOS takes forever to launch applications. It seriously seemed slow.
For some reason Apple uses SSDs that are much slower in the important random 4KB read/write department 🤷‍♂️


Read 4K: 55MB/s - competition: 100+
Write 4K: 16MB/s - competition: 45+

This counts a lot when opening programs, since it will have look up many small parts and write out diagnostics and other state to disk.

If you have very many parallel readers and writers (high queue depth, QD) then it will be speed up. But a lot of software will remain fairly single threaded (not-parallel), because that it easier to reason about.

On average you loose about a quarter of the performance by using macOS over Linux, Windows is sort of halfway. But on different tests the ordering can be quite different. So YMMV.

That said, my HP 450 G6 will also grind to a halt when opening a Jetbrains editor with a couple of projects.
 
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I can confirm this applied for Asian too, 20,000 yen, not final price. With tax it would around 22,000. Shame.
 
Are we sure the $100 upgrade was there from the start ?

Before the new Magic Keyboard MBP, 16GB DRAM Upgrade and 256GB+ SSD Upgrade has always costed $200. Whether that is on previous MacBook Pro or the newer released MacBook Air. And I remember you always have to choose between 16GB or 512GB for the same price. That is the $200 upgrade.

And it doesn't make sense for Apple price it $100. May be it was a recent error ?
 
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Are we sure the $100 upgrade was there from the start ?

Before the new Magic Keyboard MBP, 16GB DRAM Upgrade and 256GB+ SSD Upgrade has always costed $200. Whether that is on previous MacBook Pro and the newer released MacBook Air.

And it doesn't make sense for Apple price it $100. May be it was a recent error ?
It was $100 at the start - but I agree it was an error at that price point and they were waiting for an opportune time to change it.
 
It was $100 at the start - but I agree it was an error at that price point and they were waiting for an opportune time to change it.

Thanks. In that case those who got upgrade within the past 30 days had a decent discount.
 


Apple today doubled the price for upgrading the RAM on the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro, with customers in the United States now being charged $200 to move from 8GB to 16GB compared to the previous $100 upgrade price. Similar increases are seen in other countries, such as moving from EUR125 to EUR250 in Germany and from £100 to £200 in the United Kingdom.

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Current pricing on RAM upgrade for entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro

While Apple does sometimes adjust upgrade pricing as its costs for components change over time, what makes today's change unusual beyond the fact that it is an increase rather than a typical decrease is that the 13-inch MacBook Pro just launched less than a month ago.

The entry-level model is largely similar to its predecessor, using the same 8th-generation Intel processors and many other internal components have similarly been carried over. Still, it is considered an updated model with changes like the new Magic Keyboard and it's extremely rare for Apple to adjust pricing so soon after launch, suggesting an unexpected increase in Apple's costs being passed along to consumers.

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RAM upgrade pricing yesterday

Supply chains around the world have been disrupted in recent months due to the current health situation, but China, where most of Apple's manufacturing partners operate, has been reopening ahead of many other countries around the world as it was the first to shut down. So with pricing having been set on the 13-inch MacBook Pro just a month ago, the supply situation should generally have improved since then rather than worsened.

Apple does not appear to have altered pricing for RAM upgrades on its other Mac lineups, although different machines use different types of RAM, so a shortage or cost increase for one specific type would not necessarily affect all of Apple's Macs. Even the high-end 13-inch MacBook Pro is unaffected, as it uses a faster type of RAM paired with its newer 10th-generation Intel processors and upgrading from 16GB to 32GB remains priced at $400.

(Thanks, Ashlin!)

Article Link: Apple Doubles the Price of RAM Upgrade on Entry-Level 13-Inch MacBook Pro
It's not just the pro range, the price of memory on the Air's have doubled too *:apple:
 
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Perhaps the previous price was a mistake. It was £100 to increase from 8GB to 16GB on MacBook Pro but £200 to do the same on MacBook Air. Now they are the same.
That wouldn't explain the difference in the difference between what the 8GB and 16GB costs Apple and what they're selling it for.
 
I had the entry level MacBook Pro With 16gb ram in the shopping cart and ready to order it until suddenly price increased..well now I am not ordering it..thanks Apple!
 
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100% false. Shipping from China to US has sky rocketed. Not only that, shipments can be held up in customs for weeks now. Shipping via sea is still reasonable, but there are minimum weights (which shouldn’t be a problem for Apple).

I talked to multiple factories for my product over the last couple weeks and was given similar shipping rates from all of them, so it wasn’t 1 place just trying to take advantage of the current situation. And for air they were all 2-3x what they were a few months ago.
Why does shipping to the US make a difference to the cost of a computer coming from Shanghai to my country?
 
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"suggesting an unexpected increase in Apple's costs being passed along to consumers."

That is complete nonsense.

RAM prices have not moved, they want to maximize profit and adjusted due to price elasticity which they were able to evaluate after the first sales statistics.

maybe there is some truth but NOT a level that justifies 500%+ markups.
sk hynix and samsung southkorea have a duopoly on nand flash market so they can manipulate and fix prices easily, this is why Ram prices have been overinflated for the last 5 years. Thats why 1000usd+ laptops still have a pathetic 8gb of ram as standard

200USD for 8gb is OBSCENE but they do this because they know they can get away with this, customers will bite because in 2020 16gb Is virtually a necessity.

When will this era of apples disgusting greed stop? This is what i despise most about t cooks reign.
Watch any Steve Jobs keynote when he announces the prices of new products he always made logical explanations justifying the prices without ripping off the customer with anti-consumer practices (example, non soldered in RAM so you could upgrade themselves..).
I wish cook and his culture of bean counting max revenue extracting practices dropped the charade and was truthful with us, just come out and say they are increasing RAM prices because greed is good for the shareholders and they want to extract as much revenue from the customer as possible.
 
Not saying I understand the pricing, But I was on His website, THEY WANT $200 to upgrade from 8GB to 16GB too.
 
A base model upgraded to 16gb RAM and 512gb SSD now costs $1699.

For $100 more, you can get the 4-port model with the same amount of RAM & SSD that has faster RAM, 10th gen processor, better speakers, better graphics performance, and an extra fan & vents.
 
RAM is soldered to the systemboard so Apple makes two types of system boards - one with 8GB installed and one with 16GB installed.



Frankly, if this price hike remains only for this model, then I don't see this as just "Apple being Apple" and jacking up the price because they can. They have effectively now invalidated offering the older 8th generation models at $1299 and $1499 with anything other than 8GB of RAM because adding $200 brings you so close to the $1799 model with 16GB which also has a 10th Gen CPU and two more TB3 ports.

So the supply shortage might not be in RAM, but in 16GB system boards for the 2 TB port model and Apple is using the price hike to discourage people from purchasing this configuration and either go 8GB or upgrade to the $1799 model (which offers far better value for the $100-200 over a 16GB 2 port model at the new pricing).

I love reading pure unadulterated logic. This 100%.
 
That’s my beef. I used to buy the Mac that I needed today and then upgrade RAM and storage as needs changed. I got YEARS out of old hardware that way. Now, you either buy what you need today (in the hope that it will be enough over the life of the machine) or buy more than you need, which feels sucky because of what they charge for these upgrades at the factory and the fact that you don’t need it. Either that or upgrade the entire machine more often that you need to.

And you better pray the hardware—including RAM and SSD—doesn’t fail or you might as well buy a new computer. Apple computers just aren’t as reliable as they used to be.
 
I agree. I also thought this was only $100 upgrade before.

I checked my cart and it hasn't changed. The difference now is that upgrading an 8th Gen to an i7 and matching same RAM and SSD size as the 10th gen i7, makes both an IDENTICAL price. That seems crazy.

e.g.
8th gen 1.7Ghz i7 16/512 = $1999
10th gen 2.3Ghz 16/512 = $1999

The latter comes with more ports, faster GPU, faster RAM, better speakers, and two cooling fans. Performance is presumably better too.

Others have said the re-alignment merely brings the price back into line with with published 8Gb to 16Gb BTO upgrades. Any other price matrix calculations merely makes that upgrade uneconomical for the upper SKU 15w MBP and rightly drives the user towards the basic 28w MBP with or without the CPU bump.

You can be sure that a stock $1799 28w MBP (2.0GHz i5) would beat a 1.7GHz i7 upgraded 15w MBP in benchmarks, and then the 28w MBP finishes the contest with the aforementioned faster graphics and RAM, speakers, and additional cooling. All for an extra $100 uplift.

This effectively makes bumped RAM a non starter if you already needed the 512Gb SSD storage space in a 13" MacBook Pro.

Adding too many BTO options to a Mac isn't really a cost effective move anyway, I'd always gravitate towards the SKU that requires the least add-ons to get to the spec you need.

Therefore I can't really get too distressed by the apparent price uplift - congratulations to the people who managed to get the RAM upgraded before the price went up.
 
Because Apple regards AppleCare as a profit center. It's pretty much the only thing Apple Store associates have ever had to try to push. Why 20%? Depends on the model, of course. Laptop warranties are always more expensive because (1) people drop them, fling them off tables, and get a lot more than ht keyboard wet when they spill coffee on them; and (2) the parts that are most often replaced (the display and the main logic board) are expensive, and time-consuming to replace.

If Apple would stop soldering the RAM and SSD to the MB, then the repairs would not cost so much. More modular Windows options are just as fast, so this is strictly a marketing decision.
 
If Apple would stop soldering the RAM and SSD to the MB, then the repairs would not cost so much. More modular Windows options are just as fast, so this is strictly a marketing decision.

Also an engineering decision - higher reliability by soldering parts to the motherboard - plus allows thinner enclosure (I said the t* word!).

Although yes, the cost of replacement of motherboard technically higher when it does go wrong Apple are also preventing users from accidentally breaking their expansion ports when 'upgrading' but stuff won't work loose during the working lifetime of the unit.
 
FWIW, Macbook Air RAM upgrade price in the Dutch Apple Store also doubled. Just when I was thinking that the quad-core with 16 GB/1 TB might be quite a good deal.

Oh well. It will be easier to remind myself I don't need one, just want a new shiny :)
 
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