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Apple Driving iCloud Conversions with Free Copies of Snow Leopard for MobileMe Users

Watabou said:
I'm pretty sure you can just partition your HD install snow leopard on the blank partition and upgrade that partition to Lion. You would then have SL on one partition and Lion on another. I think that would work. Having lion does not mean you need to upgrade to iCloud either. You could probably stick with Mobile me and ignore iCloud.
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Thanks, I'll look into the idea of partitioning a bit more.

As far as MobileMe goes I was under the impression that if you didn't move to iCloud by June 30 you were out of luck as MM will no longer work at all.
 
strausd said:
So for somebody on Leopard, could they just get a copy of Lion from a friend/family member and then do a clean install and save $30?

In my experience, a clean install of an OS has almost always made my computer feel a little speedier. Plus for those who back up all their data, it may not be such a big hassle.
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Yup. Inside Lion and Mountain Lion, under Contents/SharedSupport is a file, InstallESD.dmg. Restoring that dmg to a USB drive, I was/am able to perform a clean install of Lion/ML with no need for SL.

Personally, SL doesn't need full integration for iCloud, but basic support for syncing that MM performed would be nice and simple. With a few tweaks, my contacts, calendars, mail, and bookmarks are fully syncing with my iCloud account in SL. I've got SL, Lion and ML (along with Windows 7) on my Mac Pro. SL still kills Lion in performance. This is Apple's way of forcing people into Lion. I don't like it.
 
wikus said:
She's not missing out on anything. Lion is laggy as hell and it chews up RAM as well. If she wants a computer that just works, she'll appreciate Snow Leopard far more, even at 10.7.3, Lion still feels like a Beta test. It really is Apple's Vista. The fact that Apple is pushing for people to get a free copy of Snow Leopard to get Lion is proof of that, they badly want people to switch to Lion, but the consumer knows better.
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Totally agree. Apple's Equivalent of Vista is a pretty accurate way of saying it...

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lostngone said:
I know I a lot of people that are not upgrading to Lion. A very small group have valid reasons(hardware/software limitation) not to upgrade but most are just lazy or to cheap to spend the money.

In both cases I do not have any issues with these users not upgrading. However from upgrades from the past and even now with MobileMe/iCloud sync it will be a very short time before I hear these same users complain that software X won't install or hardware Y does not work correctly.

If you don't want to upgrade that is GREAT! Just don't complain about being left in the dust.
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For most of us that didn't upgrade, it's more like UPGRADE = MORE COMPLAINT...

I've got a authentic USB Copy of Lion and I'm not touching it...

but of course you may well upgrade yours.
 
JGowan said:
THIS:

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The installation also downloads a chunk of stuff from Apple. Been there done that...:mad:

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aurichie said:
Your loss. You are missing out on some incredible Apple technologies by insisting on living in the Rosetta Stone Age. iCloud is the future of the internet and data storage. My advice would be get with today before the past leaves you trailing so far behind you'll never catch up.
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Not if it (Lion) breaks crucial functionalities, cut a few very useful bells and wistle (not even talking abt SPACE here), and makes ur system slow... :p

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am sort of wondering, what version of SL will be on the disk? and what's the build number?... anyone care posting it once they receive it?...:D
 
*LTD* said:
He's only kidding. Really. No one could post that with a straight face.
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We're running Lion on a 2006 Macbook Pro. 3gigs of RAM. Clean install of snow leopard then app store upgrade to Lion. No real problems. Could use more RAM, but 3gigs is the max I think.

On my other machines, 2006 MacPro and a 2012 iMac 27" i7, each with 16gigs of RAM it runs flawlessly. You just need RAM people. Good gawd get on Amazon and max out your systems already. For the iMac I think it cost $70. 16gigs for $70. Quit complaining and get the RAM.
 
bdkennedy1 said:
This isn't going to be good for IT departments.
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I'm not sure if IT departments really care. They're usually located on company premises where people use business machines that run Windows, Linux or some flavor of Unix - but not a consumer/home user OS like OS X...

The school and college bubble where a lot of the folks on this forum live in is not a reflection of the real world - and when you leave the US borders behind, the gap gets even larger.
 
This must be close to the dumbest thing I ever heard. One has to install one OS to be able to upgrade to another .. they can't be serious?
Why not at least offer to send a DVD/USB drive copy of Lion for the same 29.99$ instead?

I recently upgraded to installed Lion and I wish I hadn't done it. However it is not bad enough to make me spend all that time again to go back to Snow Leopard. After a while one gets used to the glitches ...

T.
 
W t f ????

SO, LET'S SEE...

Papa bear is offering to UPGRADE all the older Macs out in the wild to Snow Leopard to get everyone on a platform that's 'close' to reality of the hardware that's 'current'... THEN, as a VERY FIRST STEP of the process to move over to iCloud, the VERY FIRST THING that Papa Bear wants these folks to do is UPGRADE TO LION???

NO!!!

I stayed on SL because you ass-clowns told me that my Mac didn't have enough horsepower to run Lion. NOW, you want folks with hardware OLDER THAN MINE to upgrade to Lion?? Are you people nuts?? Steve was right.. you clowns SHOULD be ashamed of yourselves.. this plan is lunacy ...

You OWE your user base a plan - not a meat grinder... idiotic.
 
aurichie said:
Your loss. You are missing out on some incredible Apple technologies by insisting on living in the Rosetta Stone Age. iCloud is the future of the internet and data storage. My advice would be get with today before the past leaves you trailing so far behind you'll never catch up.
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It's not that easy sometimes. For me I estimate it would cost about $1000 in software upgrades and a LOT more than that in time to rebuild an old database that I still rely on. So as much as I would like to upgrade to Lion and get iCloud (and I will eventually), it's difficult and expensive without Rosetta.
 
wikus said:
That 4gb download of Lion is going to suck, especially for Canadians where Bell and Rogers (basically the only two ISPs) customers are limited to 2gb entry level service at bell (or 25gb for the next best) and 15gb with Rogers.

Just make a release of Lion on DVD.
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Not sure what you are talking about. There's lots of ISPs in Canada and they all offer more than 2GB download per month. Maybe you're in Central or Eastern Canada and don't know much about the rest of Canada?

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tatonka said:
I recently upgraded to installed Lion and I wish I hadn't done it. However it is not bad enough to make me spend all that time again to go back to Snow Leopard. After a while one gets used to the glitches ...
T.
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Share the glitches and maybe someone has a suggestion. I'm on Lion and don't experience any glitches.
 
D.T. said:
Did you read the article? That's exactly what this offer does: it's a *free* copy of Snow Lion ... So all those people you know can get to Lion from Leopard for $29.

My machine running Lion has been outstanding. Personal use for photo and video work, professional use for development, it's on 24/7, no problems with my VM work, stable, etc. :)
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I only have leopard on my mac but I can't get this free copy of snow leopard. This seems like a very bizarre approach they are taking here.
 
That's good, but this upgrade path is unusually strange for being Apple.

As for problems which seems to have become a theme in this thread, I don't have any I can think of with Lion on my Late '08 MacBook Pro with 4 GB RAM. I think the nits there are on the order of me wishing I'd be able to disable the features Versions and Resume. I don't use them and they mostly just get in the way for me. But those are minor "issues" to have. Yes, maybe it's a little bit slower at times, but nothing out of the ordinary and what I'd expect from a newer OS.
 
Watabou said:
I have a 4 year old Macbook Pro. Lion works just fine for me on 4GB of ram.
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Good for you! Stick with whatever works for you, but I have to say that my 5-year old MacBook (not Pro) really hated Lion. Safari was unusable (I am not known to be a whiner, but I really mean that) and the whole experience just was really sluggish. I knew I was wise to keep a tidy backup of my Mac under Snow Leopard prior to switching to Lion, I switched back to SL a week ago and couldn't be happier, and will keep it this way until I upgrade my hardware.

Lion clearly wasn't thought for pre-2008 machines, which only makes sense. But iCloud wasn't that good enough for me to stick with it.
 
I did not update yet because the three features that I use more on MobileMe are missing on iCloud: iDisk, iWeb (website hosting) and Photo Gallery. :s

What are the alternatives? DropBox? GoDaddy? Flickr?
 
I find it strangely odd that people that purchase high dollar computers complain because they have to spend $25-60 to have the latest version of an operating system on their computer when in the windows world an update to a new version is usually more that $100 and they jump off the edge like lemmings.

The excuse that "this version" is full of bugs is dumb and just an excuse not to spend the money. You don't know if it is full of bugs until you install it on your computer.
 
I don't know man, why not Apple selling Lion USB Thumb drive to those Mobile Me veterans for $30? Rather than give away a useless and obsolete copy of SL (useless, since you just need SL to have access to Mac AppStore and then buy your Lion download, for which you gotta spend $30 anyway).

So why not go straight with the thumb drive? I don't see Apple's logic here. You could just pass SL and directly install Lion from Leopard if you have it, just cut the hefty SL updates and Lion download as long you have Macs with Core 2 Duo and beyond. Do I miss something?
 
coolfactor said:
Share the glitches and maybe someone has a suggestion. I'm on Lion and don't experience any glitches.
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Sure ..
* Spaces for once, I am not very fond of the new iOSy layout (personal preferences, not to bad)
* no way to permanently disable this dull "Reopen Windows at Restart" crap (the little checkbox at shutdown) .. even fighting with the Reopen Windows at Application launch (and there is even a general checkbox for that ...)
* Where is the Finder bar telling you the free space
* Grey icons/themes (I know those can be changed, but I don't want to do it all over every update)
* Login Screen with all the service demons that can't even log on
* Don't even get me started on the new XCode and the llvm compiler
* Not very fond of the AutoSave / Save Duplicate thing, although it hasn't caused to much trouble for me yet .. they just "fixed" something that wasn't broken, which is always dangerous (from a usability point of view).

As said .. all in all those are small annoyances, no real bad deal breakers. I still liked my SL setup better, but not enough to spend the time to go back.

T.
 
It is pretty sad that Apple supports iCloud on more Windows versions than it does their own OS! The original MacBook has a core duo and can't be upgraded to Lion.
 
tatonka said:
Sure ..
* Spaces for once, I am not very fond of the new iOSy layout (personal preferences, not to bad)
* no way to permanently disable this dull "Reopen Windows at Restart" crap (the little checkbox at shutdown) .. even fighting with the Reopen Windows at Application launch (and there is even a general checkbox for that ...)
* Where is the Finder bar telling you the free space
* Grey icons/themes (I know those can be changed, but I don't want to do it all over every update)
* Login Screen with all the service demons that can't even log on
* Don't even get me started on the new XCode and the llvm compiler
* Not very fond of the AutoSave / Save Duplicate thing, although it hasn't caused to much trouble for me yet .. they just "fixed" something that wasn't broken, which is always dangerous (from a usability point of view).

As said .. all in all those are small annoyances, no real bad deal breakers. I still liked my SL setup better, but not enough to spend the time to go back.

T.
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wut?

finder: view>show status bar

i've had the on the whole time.

what's your beef with LLVM?
you are some echo of the tech idiots complaining!
 
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