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I can still remember being a subscribed member to iTools when it became .mac and they stated that from time to time members would get free software and special offers – which actually never happened (except for Backup and some AntiVirus in early days which were always promoted as separate features).

Finally the point has come where this came true. :D
 
The USB key will only UPGRADE (to Lion) people who are currently running Snow Leopard.

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btw the Lion USB is bootable and can do a clean install, but you would lose all of your data - but that's another longer discussion...

So which is it? :rolleyes:

Your first sentence says the Lion USB key can only upgrade a SL installation, then you say it can do a clean install, which is the exact opposite of an upgrade.

On my other machines, 2006 MacPro and a 2012 iMac 27" i7, each with 16gigs of RAM it runs flawlessly. You just need RAM people. Good gawd get on Amazon and max out your systems already. For the iMac I think it cost $70. 16gigs for $70. Quit complaining and get the RAM.

Sixteen gigs of RAM? Do you people actually think it's normal to need that much memory? Has OSX really become that bloated? I'm running the Windows 8 developer's preview on 6 gigs of RAM and it's going great.
 
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She's not missing out on anything. Lion is laggy as hell and it chews up RAM as well. If she wants a computer that just works, she'll appreciate Snow Leopard far more, even at 10.7.3, Lion still feels like a Beta test. It really is Apple's Vista. The fact that Apple is pushing for people to get a free copy of Snow Leopard to get Lion is proof of that, they badly want people to switch to Lion, but the consumer knows better.


;) Thank YOU!! What a refreshing and insightful comment. I agree with you and it makes sense. I love SL and have zero desire to jump to Lion. SL works perfectly well with very (if any) problems. :D
 
Just because it works fine for YOU, doesn't mean it works fine for EVERYONE.

Just go to the Lion and Mountain Lion forums and you'll see a lot of complaints about bugs, lag, etc.

Just go to any other forum and you will find 1000s of people not complaining at all... I would assume that the majority is quite happy and obviously the people who aren't shout out the loudest.

I would love to have people drop old technology immediately and go forward. Windows is one of the reasons why Minority Report isn't reality yet! :cool:
 
No thanks. Lion is shoddy release, too many performance issues, bugs and the usability has gone in the toilet. Too many usability features have been removed such as coloured icons in the Finder Sidebar, the stilly Microsoft sidebar ordering (not devices at the top), hiding Library, removing scrollbar arrows. I don't have two days to type what's wrong and horrible about Lion.

If Apple are so keen on forcing people into iCloud then they can update Snow Leopard, the last decent OS they made before everything turned to shiTzen. Besides, MobileMe was a nightmare and I don't want to go through that headache again. Now I don't trust Apple anymore, they just keep stabbing us in the back, and I'm sick of it all.

The OS is going in the wrong direction, the lack of effort, caring and quality put into the releases is shameful. Apple should start making toasters, because that is all they are good for now days.
 
U guys may hate to agree with me but icloud sucks.

Yes it's still "new" by some people but it has a lot of catching up tO do to products like google.

I want to use iCloud but have u been on icloud.com?! It's garbage! It's like a college kid didn't finish his senior project and left things half done!

Please fix iCloud and make it appealing apple !!!

You are aware that iCloud.com is not really what iCloud is about right? iCloud is about syncing of full fledged native apps, not just accessing web sites like the simpler stuff Google is doing. If you are going to icloud.com to use it, you are missing out on the true experience and one of the major advantages it has over Google's stuff.
 
You are aware that iCloud.com is not really what iCloud is about right? iCloud is about syncing of full fledged native apps, not just accessing web sites like the simpler stuff Google is doing. If you are going to icloud.com to use it, you are missing out on the true experience and one of the major advantages it has over Google's stuff.

Obviously he is missing that fact. Honestly, the transparency of iCloud is really nice, but then again, I am someone who found MobileMe and .Mac very useful and convenient too.

FWIW, Match is amazing for me. I have around a terabyte of music, mostly Apple Lossless rips of my CDs, and while I realize that what's in the cloud is 256k, having my entire collection of music online for £20/year is a bargain in my opinion.
 
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard: why upgrade to Snow Leopard first and then to Lion, when you can simply install Lion without having Snow Leopard? This is retarded, installing two operating systems on top of a third one just to get one new feature, which in this case is iCloud.

I bet that to install Mountain Lion, Apple will give you a copy of OS 9.0, Jaguar, Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Lion for free and you'll have to install all of them in the right order in order to get Mountain Lion.
 
This all seems a bit...backwards.

If you're going to mail someone snow leopard why not just stick lion in with it. Better yet, mail them Lion.

Or even better, un-release (is that a word?) Lion and give us all Snow Leopard. Much more stable and enjoyable to use.
 
As far as MobileMe goes I was under the impression that if you didn't move to iCloud by June 30 you were out of luck as MM will no longer work at all.

Yes, MM is kaput as of June 30. Apple has sent me a few emails warning me files in my iDisk (online) will go bye-bye on that date. I've already switched over to iCloud though and now use Dropbox instead of iDisk.

I don't really get why people are complaining about Apple offering a free copy of 10.6 to people still on 10.5 using MM. Seems like if Apple didn't offer a free copy and they just wiped out MM data on June 30, even after many warnings, and over a year lead time, they'd get riled up about that too.
 
I have a rather embarrassing problem and a big dilemma to boot....

Whilst I gain the use of top-end MacPros and MacBook Pros in the studios I work in for my job, I still have only two very old PowerBook G4s at home for email and the odd small job. I can't move to iCloud!

So, Apple is now forcing me to either purchase a new Mac before the end of June or lose my MobileMe account.

I'm obviously waiting for the new MBP to be announced and released. Until then, I feel like I'm on borrowed time....

Will I be able to buy the new MacBook Pro before the end of June?! I certainly hope so.

(I did wait until Snow Leopard was a free option. I ordered it today, but without an Intel-based Mac... it's useless and I'm still screwed.) Mac OS X 10.5.8 is as far as I can go...
 
OS is no longer a Stand alone

I have no desire to upgrade to Lion, in fact it's the opposite.

Why not just make iCloud available on Snow Leopard??

I agree... We have costly business software that will not work with Lion. Lion would put our business out of business.

I have manage to get Mac Office 2011 on one computer to work with email at iCloud, but the conversion on other computer has not faired well. I can not get the to connect to iCloud at all... Authorization errors. I think I have tried everything. It is maddening as it is effecting my business.

I have other mac/me account to move, but very reluctant until I figure the what went wrong with the last conversion.

I'm really angry at Apple for their lack of concern.
 
So which is it? :rolleyes:

Your first sentence says the Lion USB key can only upgrade a SL installation, then you say it can do a clean install, which is the exact opposite of an upgrade.

The keyword is upgrade. Meaning just upgrade only the OS (and leave all of your data/content the same - like how Windows Upgrade versions work). To do this you need to have SL installed: you just stick the USB Drive in your computer while it's running SL and it will allow you to upgrade to Lion and keep your stuff. This is the way Apple wants you to do this.

Technically, as others have stated, if you want to do a clean install (and Erase everything), you could just boot from the USB drive at startup and repartition your drive with a new install of Lion. No matter what operating system you are running - so long as you meet Lion's system requirements of course!:apple:
 
If Lion was supposed to be an upgrade, then Mountain Lion is literally just a service pack. Porting a few programs from iOS and renaming a few iLife ones are hardly the groundbreaking 'features' that once made OSX exciting every time a release was scheduled.

Sure, you can only innovate so much with what you've got (in this case, the hardware), but seriously... This isn't innovation - it's just tacky nonsense and appeals to Apple's new customers. The reason they offer a 'new OS' for £20 is simply to make the upgrade process more appealing to the less technically minded, and to make it more consumer friendly in the light of one-click App Store updates.

I don't see how Apple can class fixes/corrections as a product evolution either. Launchpad is probably the one feature least suited to a desktop/laptop computer, and Mountain Lion adds a search bar to it??

*Facepalm*

The geniuses who thought this through obviously forgot to sync the arrangement of these icons with those in the Application folder in Finder, which begs the question why anyone would find this view easier.

The other side of the coin is that iOS and Mac OS are now interlocked with regards to their foundations. One cannot have a revamp from the ground up unless the other will do so near enough in tandem. This is quite worrying, because it means that the development of a future operating system will literally be controlled by the release of Apple's iGadgets
 
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If Lion was an upgrade, then Mountain Lion is just a service pack. The reason they can offer a 'new OS' for £20 is because with downloads replacing discs, Apple will now just treat them as a bit of a marketing gimmick once a year.

Mountain Lion has pretty much the same amount of new stuff as Lion had. So if one is an upgrade, the other is too. And if one is a service pack, the other is too.
 
I'm not sure if IT departments really care. They're usually located on company premises where people use business machines that run Windows, Linux or some flavor of Unix - but not a consumer/home user OS like OS X...

OS X conforms fully to the UNIX03 spec. What you are saying is an oxymoron.
 
You are aware that iCloud.com is not really what iCloud is about right? iCloud is about syncing of full fledged native apps, not just accessing web sites like the simpler stuff Google is doing. If you are going to icloud.com to use it, you are missing out on the true experience and one of the major advantages it has over Google's stuff.

Well, not really, since that barely works and enforces a stupid versions paradigm that's completely unsuitable for a lot of people.

iCloud for most people is Mobile Me, except email and calendar support is broken in SL, and Keychain and iDisk have gone away.

Phazer
 
what's your beef with LLVM?
you are some echo of the tech idiots complaining!

The new Xcode app concept was a major step away from the previous /Developer setup and broke quite a few tools. Moving the commandline tools into a seperate add on to be installed is balony. The LLVM compiler doesn't compile the software project I am working on, so I had to manually set up a different (GCC) compiler. The whole thing didn't work for me at all and again .. fixing something that wasn't broken to begin with.

I am not particular happy about Lion and some of the changes that came along with it. I don't hate it .. don't even dislike it really, just some of the changes don't work for me.
Sorry if that offends you. No reason to take it to a personal level.

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I've probably misunderstood what you're referring to here, but do you mean the status bar? View>Show Status Bar.

aehm .. damn .. how did I miss that?
 
******* Lion

I wish they'd jus make iCloud for Snow Leopard, so all the people who prefer it to Lion and hold out a few more years until Apple makes up for the terribleness of Lion, or until we give up and just bear it.

Sorry, Snow Leopard is the peak of computer OSes, Apple has taken a step backwards with Lion for the sake of making more like iOS, not for the sake making it truly better.
 
Your loss. You are missing out on some incredible Apple technologies by insisting on living in the Rosetta Stone Age. iCloud is the future of the internet and data storage. My advice would be get with today before the past leaves you trailing so far behind you'll never catch up.

So maybe you can explain what those incredible technologies are. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why I should install Lion (or even Snow Leopard) on my Mac Pro that is running Leopard.
 
People will always find something to bitch about.. Mac OS upgrades used to cost $129. Now there's whining that you have to pay $58 to jump ahead 2 OS versions? Suck it up and buy SL and lion, or stay on leopard.
 
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