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The finniest and the saddest thing is not what Apple is doing with prices or products they release, but is the fact that people accept it all the time and pay whatever Apple is asking. Many negative and surprised comments here, but Apple knows how loyal are their customers and will swallow everything that Apple will throw at them and be happy.
Loyalty can, and will, be eroded over time if the price/product/performance degrades significantly against competition. This is the near-current situation with the Apple computer range.

Because of the superior total cost of ownership of Macs vs PCs, I used to give my staff the choice of Apple running OSX or bootcamp/Windows or a Windows machine. As of right now they no longer have a choice - they're all given a Windows machine and even I may, as a longtime loyal Apple user, switch to Windows - the MS Surface range is just too good to ignore.

Right now, Apple seem to be moving into a very dangerous territory - relying on a loyal customer base whilst failing to produce machines with enough of a differentiator/cool factor whatever you want to call it to attract new customers away from competitor machines some of which, it has to be said, actually are cooler than Apple's current product range.

What I fervently hope is that the lack of updates to the desktop range and the stupidly high price increases of the now not-quite state-of the-art laptops is a deliberate strategy taken by Apple before their surprise release, no later than Q2 2017, of an entirely new ARM based Mac range, with detachable touchscreen laptops and desktop transformer models and that move to ARM will enable them to shout from the rafters about substantial price decreases and performance improvements.
 
Anyone buying a Mac Pro this holiday season needs locking up!!

This price reduction on upgrades just is not good enough for this type of machine. Bump the base model to 512GB and bring in 2TB at the 1TB level, at the absolute least. They are in real danger of throwing customer loyalty away.
 
I'm confused: the article mentions 2015 MacBook Pros. Does Apple still sell the older models? Where?

check out their refurbished store and check out reseller listings. however, it's literally getting harder every day to purchase actually usable Apple hardware (with decent specs) for a fair price. - refurb store is typically updated Sundays and Wednesdays. if you are looking for high-end laptops be prepared to wait for a few weeks to see an appropriate offer.
 
Nice! I'm gonna pick up 5 Mac Pros now, for sure.

You can really feel the love that Apple is putting into the Mac at the moment! This makes me wanna shell out my hard earned bucks. You can tell that Apple is deeply dedicated to the professionals that helped build the success of Apple.
 
I dont know how you guys look at this.. but from my point of view this silence is very very client unfriendly. Unreliable partner for my hardwae. I know, they always go for that hype train, let people talk about this over and over again of forums etc... seriously, go for a PC if you need a real powerfull computer (If you are not locked in with osx software) and screw them. W10 works great! and you can configure a PC to YOUR needs and pay much less. Upgrade your machine anytime YOU want!

1999: Apple is for graphic / media professionals
2016: Apple is for consumers

my 2 cents

(and yes, i switched 2 months ago after many years being a fan for my work machine, and never looked back!)
 
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Is there so much as an intern at Apple whose job it is to 'sell' the MacPro?

It's like they released it, most pros stuck with ageing cMPs or went Windows as it was so far from what they needed, and it flopped. Rather than see it as a wake up call Apple merely fell into silence.

Perhaps when the asinine new MPBs flop they'll snap out of it.
 
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What a joke! 256GB in a Mac Pro?

The Mac Pro isn't a general-purpose computer: its a Final Cut Pro appliance (and maybe other Open-CL based pro graphics/video apps). The target market of the Mac Pro will be hooking up serious external storage via Thunderbolt and going through 1TB removable hard drives like they were floppies. In that scenario, the only thing that's going on the internal SSD is the OS, application software and temporary files - 256GB is fine. Even at non-Apple prices, SSD is too expensive to use to store production-quality video.

The principle is fine - the price and lack of updates for 3 years isn't.
 
That's insulting and also suggests Macs aren't prone to failure which is a lie.
I think people are missing his point. In business, you get other people to repair things quickly with available parts same day while you get on with your work, just like a salesman wouldn't repair his own car because they wouldn't have the time. They would put it in the garage and get a replacement while theirs was being fixed.
 
1999: Apple is for graphic / media professionals
2016: Apple is for consumers

The thing is the pro market is still a huge business by most standards. When Apple was big and bloated Jobs's 'single division' strategy was a good one as pros were part of the target audience. Now pros are not an Apple Pro Division is massively needed.

They've just done a 'partnership' with LG on monitors, ditching Apple-branded displays. Why not go the whole hog for the 'Mac Pro' and 'partner' with a workstation supplier who can supply a competitively-priced 24core macOS machine to those who require it? Doesn't need to be any more than an 'official hackintosh'.
 
They posted one, you can now get a dongle for your dongle.
Thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 1/2 and then Thunderbolt 1/2 to Ethernet.

That was a straw man: there's a direct USB-C to Ethernet dongle that costs less than the TB2-to-3 adapter alone.
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Upgrading the mid-range iMac 27-inch iMac to 512GB or 1TB of storage used to cost $400 or $900, respectively, but prices are now at $300 for the 512GB upgrade and $700 for the 1TB flash storage upgrade

Actually, that is one piece of genuine good news: remember, the 27" iMac got Skylake chips last year, and AFAIK there's no suitable Kaby Lake chip for it yet, so it's not a bad purchase, especially if you're not ready to convert your life to USB-C...
 
Loyalty can, and will, be eroded over time if the price/product/performance degrades significantly against competition. This is the near-current situation with the Apple computer range.

Because of the superior total cost of ownership of Macs vs PCs, I used to give my staff the choice of Apple running OSX or bootcamp/Windows or a Windows machine. As of right now they no longer have a choice - they're all given a Windows machine and even I may, as a longtime loyal Apple user, switch to Windows - the MS Surface range is just too good to ignore.

Right now, Apple seem to be moving into a very dangerous territory - relying on a loyal customer base whilst failing to produce machines with enough of a differentiator/cool factor whatever you want to call it to attract new customers away from competitor machines some of which, it has to be said, actually are cooler than Apple's current product range.

What I fervently hope is that the lack of updates to the desktop range and the stupidly high price increases of the now not-quite state-of the-art laptops is a deliberate strategy taken by Apple before their surprise release, no later than Q2 2017, of an entirely new ARM based Mac range, with detachable touchscreen laptops and desktop transformer models and that move to ARM will enable them to shout from the rafters about substantial price decreases and performance improvements.
We bought 10 SurfaceBooks to evaluate as a deployment candidate for 800 new endpoints for next year. The machines had fans that never stopped, display bugs, battery life well outside of the marketed range, imaging bugs Microsoft had no timeline to fix, and two of the machines had total "no power - dead unit" during the 3 month evaluation period. Windows 10 has a slew of issues in enterprise environments as well, particularly as it pertains to legacy software and certain workflows. All of the Surface hardware was returned to Microsoft, the order was placed with Dell and we've had no issues out of the norm with the Latitudes they shipped. Microsoft is doing good work, but their support protocol was "drag it to our retail store 20 miles away", their tech support was "that's a known issue, expect a fix in a few weeks" and their pricing was in line with Apple - no real discounts, no edge... unlike Dell.

I know a lot of folks are upset in the direction Apple is taking, but MS isn't yet ready to take on Apple's customers and the expectations they have in terms of stability, consistency, fit/finish, support and employee satisfaction with the product.
 
What's the sense of making changes and dropping the prices of the older Mac lineup just after the release of the new MacBook Pro! That's truly insane... Why would anyone like to buy a 3-year-old Mac when he has the choice to buy the latest one!
 
If you were a pro, you wouldn't build your own machine. Reliability, warranty and support would be too important to you. You'd pay whatever it took to get a machine that made you as efficient as you could be because you'd be getting paid for your productivity not for futzing with DIY computer projects.

This is true. However, the prospect of having only 3 year old computers to purchase for premium pricing from Apple, rules out another purchase from them. If we're spending premium $, I expect premium product. Once that honest deal is off the table, anything goes.

I used to build and sell PCs as a kid (when you could still make money doing that), so I wouldn't mind giving a Hackintosh a try. Might build it right into the backside of a Wacom Cintiq 27.
 
Who buys a $900 upgrade to 1TB? thats like the price of a new modern laptop. There are 1TBs on Amazon for $250-300.

These people are the ones who make Tim thinks he can get away with $2300 laptop with outdated tech and no usable ports.
 
Now this is true courage.

"Can't innovate my ass"
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Most companies do research on new products with a sample of consumers before they finalize the decision to build the product...NOT APPLE....you buy it...and shut up.
 
Considering current SSD prices:

256 GB ~$80
512 GB ~$150
1 TB ~$250

These are still way way too high.
 
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I am looking forward to upgrading to a new Macbook Pro sometime next year, but admittedly the prices this time around are a bit over the top.

A bit? I would call it crazy expensive. As computers tend to get cheaper over time, Apples are only getting more expensive.
 
I don't regret buying a 2012 mac pro, not cables... and I didn't pay a high price for it (if you compare it to the trash can generation). € 2600 tax included. Now it's like you have to sell your arm or something
 
Apple has their loyalty due to macOS. If every operating system was the same, 99% of computer users would just get the cheaper alternative company who's build is almost the same quality as Apple's. The apprehension on switching doesn't come from anything other than the operating systems. Windows is terrible. I use Win 10 and macOS Sierra at work and Windows has nothing but problems, restarts, updates, deletes random programs it deems unnecessary that I use every day and other wacky gimmicks.
 

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