Apple Drops Prices on USB-C Adapters

While I am totally with Apple for making a move to the USB-C universe, but I think it was really stupid to put in only USB C ports, Apple should have at least put in 2 ports of USB 2.0/3.0 & 2 of USB-C.
To add insult to injury, they aren't providing any free adapters with such expensive piece of hardware. Totally ridiculous! One can't even charge an iPhone on these latest models.... that's some stupid marketing right there!

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There's always a little moaning and groaning about Apple products as expectations are so high. But I think this is the first time there's been a full-on 'backlash' that's been big enough to actually explode like some hand grenade at Apple HQ.

My guess is these machines will be poor sellers. On social media all the Mac-users-forever are asking about laptops that can be Hackbooked, going Windows 10, etc.
 
This is contrary to their previous claim that this Pro model was selling the best ever. It does match my concerns which I was thinking of getting a older cheaper model with the standard USB ports. I found it expensive or difficult to get a model with more ram and disk space, let alone needing adapters and an external SD cared reader.
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There's always a little moaning and groaning about Apple products as expectations are so high. But I think this is the first time there's been a full-on 'backlash' that's been big enough to actually explode like some hand grenade at Apple HQ.

My guess is these machines will be poor sellers. On social media all the Mac-users-forever are asking about laptops that can be Hackbooked, going Windows 10, etc.
There was a big backlash about the price when the iPhone first came out. Apple soon reduced the price and things got better.
 
It takes a certain amount of creativity to see the same problem as everyone else but with new eyes.

I'm not arguing aesthetics but getting used to a new way of working.

What Apple has done is not a bad idea. Just pull out the original response from this board to the iPod if you need any evidence. So much hate over what turned out to be a game changer.

Yes it does, but this was a pretty harsh transition. As I mentioned in my post, a 50-50 split of USB-C & USB 2.0/3.0 ports would have been welcomed. If you want to go all USB-C, then you better provide the buyers with all the dongles inside the box. This is definitely not some cheap-*** 300-500$ budget laptop. Just the 1800$ price tag doesn't make it a premium device if you need to shell out another 100-200$ for additional dongles.

iPhone 7/7+.... The lack of headphone jack is not a courageous move. it's a profit making move, imagine the amount they saved up on licencing fees for the Jack, while still keeping the price the same. More profit for Apple. I was hoping they'd at least give a 2-in-1 dongle for charging & jack inside the box... how difficult was that? Apple knew that a large portion of consumers charge and listen to music, but Apple didn't do crap about that. These things are common sense, I don't see why Apple is slipping up during every launch. Those glorious days of Apple are long gone, when Steve Jobs passed away. Innovation has gone for a toss!
 
Reduce the pricing on adapters isn't solving the problem! It was 'justified' that MagSafe was removed as the port 'only did one thing', USB-A was a 'legacy port bettered by USB-C in every way'. Then they leave the headphone jack in.... that only does one single thing.

So put prices up, removed USB-A, remove MagSafe, remove the SD slot, retain a port your latest flagship iPhone has jettisoned. Mixed messages from Apple and dongles for the end user!

The SD card slot was used by many as a way to add cheap additional storage to MacBooks, not just camera users. Do that on a 2016 MacBook requires a 3 inch dongle. To connect a small micro USB-A 128GB drive, it stuck out of the machine 1cm, again a 3 inch dongle.

Plain and simple it's a mess up year, USB-C is a great port but USB-A has plenty going for it. Apple has gimped the best two product lines they sell (MacBook Air and MacBook Pro).

I worry for the iMac refresh!
 
Yes it does, but this was a pretty harsh transition. As I mentioned in my post, a 50-50 split of USB-C & USB 2.0/3.0 ports would have been welcomed. If you want to go all USB-C, then you better provide the buyers with all the dongles inside the box. This is definitely not some cheap-*** 300-500$ budget laptop. Just the 1800$ price tag doesn't make it a premium device if you need to shell out another 100-200$ for additional dongles.

iPhone 7/7+.... The lack of headphone jack is not a courageous move. it's a profit making move, imagine the amount they saved up on licencing fees for the Jack, while still keeping the price the same. More profit for Apple. I was hoping they'd at least give a 2-in-1 dongle for charging & jack inside the box... how difficult was that? Apple knew that a large portion of consumers charge and listen to music, but Apple didn't do crap about that. These things are common sense, I don't see why Apple is slipping up during every launch. Those glorious days of Apple are long gone, when Steve Jobs passed away. Innovation has gone for a toss!
Honestly, I very much doubt there's any licensing fee for the 3.5mm jack. You're probably right in the sense that they very likely save money on manufacturing, enough to offset the extra cost for the dongle and the presumed price differential on the lightning connector. And they'll make more in licensing fees for lightning headphones, although I doubt this will be anything more than a niche product type. My feeling is that most iPhone users will stay with the supplied headphones, or use the dongle with normal headphones.
 
Adapters are usually optional, but the strange thing is that 100% of people who buy the new machines will at least need a USB-C to USB-A adapter. It's like a car manufacturer charging extra for the wheels. This isn't an "extra" that you can get away without, you absoutely need these if you bought this machine.

Sure, not everyone needs HDMI, not everyone uses SD cards, not everyone uses Thunderbolt or Ethernet. Those used to be built into computers, but now they've become optional, because most people who buy a "pro" machine only use it for non-pro activities and never need these ports. It's like if Ferrari reduced the power of their cars because "those who buy our cars aren't racers anyway, they just want a shiny car, it's not meant for *actual* racing even though we continue to market them as such".

But everyone uses USB. I get that they removed it for the future benefit of USB-C, but today everyone still uses USB, and will continue to use it for a few years at least. So the adapter is compulsory. Just like the iPhone 7 includes the jack adapter because it's almost the only way to listen to music, the new MacBook Pro should include the USB-A adapter because every peripheral uses it.

If you get a MacBook Pro and never come across anything that requires an adapter for the entire life of the machine, then an iPad would have been more suitable for you anyway. It's arrogant of Apple to pretend that this computer can even be used at all without any adapters.
Very well said and your exactly right and this is the exact reason they have dropped the price of the adapters. The USB adapter should have been included but lowering the price only until end of year is still arrogant on Apples part. If they can confirm you bought a new MacBook then that reduced price should stay in effect well into the New Year.
 
"We recognize that many users, especially pros, rely on legacy connectors to get work done today and they face a transition. We want to help them move to the latest technology and peripherals, as well as accelerate the growth of this new ecosystem. Through the end of the year, we are reducing prices on all USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 peripherals we sell, as well as the prices on Apple's USB-C adapters and cables."
— Apple, per MacRumors



Put another way, we're in a bit of self-imposed sh*t storm at the moment.
Worse than that - they are treating professional IT users with contempt and talking down to them. Apple's version of "help" is "we are giving you no choice if you want to stay with macOS - tough".

The arrogance of the current crop of Apple leadership is stunning. They have become marketing and bottom line focussed to such an extent that their technology credibility has dropped markedly. Their output of new products is laughable, innovation is dead and although the $numbers are ok one wonders where this is leading?
 
That is exactly what I feel now. Share my little quote of the day !
 

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Worse than that - they are treating professional IT users with contempt and talking down to them. Apple's version of "help" is "we are giving you no choice if you want to stay with macOS - tough".

The arrogance of the current crop of Apple leadership is stunning. They have become marketing and bottom line focussed to such an extent that their technology credibility has dropped markedly. Their output of new products is laughable, innovation is dead and although the $numbers are ok one wonders where this is leading?

I hate to break this to you, but apple has always been arrogant and especially so under Steve jobs, they've always told you what you wanted even if you wanted something different.

Think different. ;)
 
I hate to break this to you, but apple has always been arrogant and especially so under Steve jobs, they've always told you what you wanted even if you wanted something different.

Think different. ;)
With that attitude to a post, you don't happen to work for Apple do you? Or does condescension just come naturally?
 
No, it would make the transition much slower.

Accessory makers would get lazy: "They already have an adapter. We'll update it next year".

Think as a customer and what is best for you, and not the people making the profits . I don't see any benefit being forced to update all my adapters.... I don't want to have bloody adapters to be honest
 
It says "MacBook Pro" right on the box and under the screen itself in bold letters, so yeah, Touch Bar or not, it's a MacBook Pro.

I would assume that folks with really heavy duty computer needs though are going to hold off for the versions with more powerful CPUs and discrete graphics cards. And none of those have shipped.

And it may be called a Pro, but it was clearly billed and presented as a replacement for the MacBook Air.
 
The last time I bought a Mac laptop (in 2010), it cost me $2,499 for the baseline 15".


...and if you bought a Mac in 1984 it would have cost the equivalent of about $10,000 in today's money.

Useful dose of perspective, but its the new prices w.r.t. last month's prices that matter. Oh, and comparing like-with-like on that timescale is slippery - e.g. should you compare the 2010 15" MBP with nVidia dGPU to the 2016 entry-level rMBP with no dGPU, or the 2015 MacBook Air which probably outperforms it...? My 2011 17" MBP probably cost about US $2700 (I'm guessing - I'm in the UK and and I'm trying not to blame Apple for the drop in the pound) so is it fair to compare it with the $2800 15" rMBP? How about if I throw in the point that although its still a decent machine 6 years later, that's partly thanks to a midlife RAM and HD-to-SSD upgrade which won't be possible on the 2016 model... and since its rocking a 500GB SSD + the original 720GB HD, perhaps I should compare it to the 2016 model with 1TB or 2TB...? Its a piece of string. You've also got to look at the entry level - the base 13" costs considerably more than the Air which it logically replaces.

Trouble is, we've had 35 years of computer prices that, at worst, stayed stable and at best dropped in numerical terms, in defiance of inflation, while the specs that those prices represented increased exponentially. We're spoiled. That train has hit the buffers - the personal computer is mature technology, year-on-year spec improvements are incremental, sales are dropping because 5-year-old machines are still getting the job done and the last big revolution in performance - SSDs - was way too easy to retrofit to ~2010 models. We're going to start to see inflation - but that doesn't mean that we should quietly accept that unless high-end manufacturers also accept that they can't maintain their windfall profit margins.

Has anyone actually seen a native usb c stick in real life????

Not in use, but they're widely available - mainly the double-ended type that work in both USB-C and USB-A sockets:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-D...1478348305&sr=8-3&keywords=usb-c+memory+stick

Are you being obtuse on purpose or just out of habit? People with micro-USB drives already have a mUSB->A cable lying around, so throw in C->A cable and they are all set for the time being.

True - but there's a lot of exaggerated nonsense being talked about "you can't connect an iPhone to a new MacBook Pro" or "so I have to carry around all of these extra adapters" or silly schemes like daisychaining a TB1-to-Ethernet dongle off a TB3-to-TB dongle being proposed. In theory, if you bite the bullet, open your wallet and replace all of your USB-A-to-lightning/microUSB/USB-B cables, miniDP-to-VGA/DVI/HDMI cables, and usb/TB-to-Ethernet dongles with the USB-C equivalent then you won't actually be carrying any more adapters than you do already. And/or switching to a dock for your main desktop will actually be a great improvement for most people if they can be persuaded to try it.

In theory. The flies in the ointment are:

- Thunderbolt 1/2 needing an expensive, active dongle. Complaints on a postcard to Intel, although since all TB1/2 cables are "active" anyway this is hardly surprising. Certainly Apple have done their best here: even before the price drop their TB1/2 dongle was half the price of (& far neater than) the 3rd party ones already available, and I don't think having both TB2 and TB3 ports on a laptop was ever a sane proposition.

- Firewire - after 4-5+ years of warning that Firewire is going away I'm ready to junk my FW kit (and a lot of FW stuff supports USB as well). Of course, I don't have any $$$$ pro Audio/Video kit with firewire. I'd have thought that the march to 4k and beyond would have driven it out of pro video by now. Maybe there are still pro audio folk (who often seem to get the raw end of these deals) out there that need it, though.

- I've got a 27" LED Cinema display at work with a captive MiniDisplayPort/USB-A/Magsafe cable. The MagSafe is just gonna have to go to waste and I can only find one, third party, USB-C to MiniDP adapter. Again, frankly, the moral of this story is don't buy displays with captive cables and/or no additional input connectors (which is why I don't have a Cinema or Thunderbolt display of my own)

- USB2/3 devices with captive cables or in "stick" form. You can have my wired keyboard with numpad when you pry it from beneath my cold, dead hands; I've got a couple of USB stick TV tuners and - while I'd certainly get a USB-C thumbdrive or two - I need to be able to deal with other people's USB sticks. Now, I'd be basically sorted with the AV adaptor(s) that I'd need anyway, but maybe others don't need those.

The latter is why most people people will need at least one USB-C-to-A dongle rather than cables - and why it would be sensible for Apple to chuck a couple in the box with the Mac (and, as you say, they're also a short term fix).
 
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With that attitude to a post, you don't happen to work for Apple do you? Or does condescension just come naturally?


Sort of true though, when was the last time Apple put the needs and wants of their customers before their own agendas? In my fairly lengthy time as an Apple customer, I count never.
 
We should not be surprised. Apple has become a fashion brand, gadgets for the masses (not truly helping its users, but inventing new desires you do not really need, or are truly functioning. Fashion and money comes first at Apple today. Think of apple Pay, and Apple Music. iTunes and Apple music have become a complicated mesh. Promoting me to subscribe to Apple music again and again, with a rather hidden button to access my own music collection. Advertising invading on many levels in their software (applications on my iPad that intervene with adds wanting to sell violent games). What happened? Professionalism, serving the user true interest and desires first, it has come secondary. As user I have to cut through all the nonsense dished up, try to see what is really of important more and more. What a waste, loss of time it brings, polluting the intellectual and natural environment. Now you can trash all your "old" cables connecting your new macbook pro. And this new macbook is outdated in less than 2 years (too limited power: 16 ram, slow videocard already) when you are a pro user. How can we be attractive, yes we need iPhone gadgetry in the top of the powerbook keyboard, emoticons... instead of true power. The bar is potential, but only in a real good laptop for a fair price. Political correctness, tapping into desires we don't need, brought to us by fashionable minimal design, is the new Apple trend. A political correctness bringing profit for the stakeholders; addressing the masses average desires, not its deeper creative future potential. Why was Aperture thrown out? I am still struggling to transfer many files. Not populistic enough... or.. And now we have to pay still 100 dollar for the many dongles we need ... I am very disappointed ... has Apple lost momentum? Has Apple become a slave of market logics, quantity first (selling it to millions), are ratings all that counts, political correctness dressed up in slick design... while playing the market could also lead to other opportunities as Apple has proofed in the past. Microsoft, with it's Surface design seems to regain momentum addressing creativity instead of innovating through the lens of mass market spin doctored desires. Is Apple becoming a slave of popular ratings mechanism, becoming revolutionary conservative? Perhaps it is unavoidable. Hippies becoming millionaires forgetting what it all could be about. Consumerism instead of a creative citizenship seems to be the leading principle at Apple.
 
Sort of true though, when was the last time Apple put the needs and wants of their customers before their own agendas? In my fairly lengthy time as an Apple customer, I count never.

Absolutely!

While everybody else was making large phones Steve Jobs told us that they were not that we, as Apple customers wanted....

It's taken a mind blowing 10 releases of iOS to finally be able to remove useless stock apps from the home screen.

You don't want customisable keyboards....etc.

Apple does what apple wants. It rarely listens to the consumer, instead they make the consumer bend to apple. Steves reality distortion field is still alive and well in Apple.

And you know what, we still buy because they make great products, we live with the compromises until Apple bends, but never acknowledges that they were wrong.

Of course, probably the best piece of Steve arrogance was "you're holding the phone wrong". Of course, it wasn't actually a real problem was it but they fixed it in subsequent models of the iPhone.....
 
Did anyone look at the SanDisk USB-C SD Card Reader? It's HUGE and looks completely ridiculous attached to the side of a MBP.

Screw SD adapters. There is no way now to stick a 256 GB SD drive into the side of your MacBook to increase the storage. That was the real reason behind axing the SD slot. Apple milking its loyal pro customers... Screw you Tim, shame on you!!
 
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