Yeah I guess their thinking is that they can use parallels / VMware if they need to use win7. But seriously win8 is ****
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Apple Drops Windows 7 Boot Camp Support in New Mac Pro
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Yeah I guess their thinking is that they can use parallels / VMware if they need to use win7. But seriously win8 is ****
If I understood it correctly...
1 - Microsoft solved your "problem" (for free), allowing boot to desktop, but you refuse to update. [I am surprised you are not one of that people still with XP.]
2- Installing from scratch Windows 7, a technically inferior OS, is easier and faster than one click at the "update to 8.1" button.
Yeah, what a pity that after 10 years OSX has even lower numbers than W8. And FYI, stats (almost) always lie.
That's annoying BUT
If I was going to spend $3000 on Mac Pro and use all that power in Windows via bootcamp I may as well have built a PC.
Just want to run some Windows programs, VMWare. I'd have plenty of power to spare!
New theory.. Touchscreen thunderbolt display coming.
If I was going to spend $3000 on Mac Pro and use all that power in Windows via bootcamp I may as well have built a PC.
Just want to run some Windows programs, VMWare. I'd have plenty of power to spare!
New theory.. Touchscreen thunderbolt display coming.
Multitasking on the Windows 8 desktop isn't any different from multitasking on Windows 7. If you don't like Modern apps simply don't use them.
Why do people complain about missing out on Windows 7 with the new Mac Pro?
When the new Mac Pro was introduced, there were so many postings that said this was an overpriced machine and nobody would buy it anyway; much cheaper to build your own rig for a fraction of the price.
As for the older machines, everything is still speculation. The lack of Win7 support for the nMP is only a single data point.
When the new Mac Pro was introduced, there were so many postings that said this was an overpriced machine and nobody would buy it anyway; much cheaper to build your own rig for a fraction of the price.
As for the older machines, everything is still speculation. The lack of Win7 support for the nMP is only a single data point.
ive only used bootcamp about 7 years ago but decided to use vmware instead so this hardly affects me but you dont think this indicative or where all future releases will go?
Can it not be done 'manually'? I.e. attach an external FW/TB drive (or partition your internal HD), boot from the Windows 7 DVD/USB stick and install away?
I know that when I installed Win XP or Linux on my old Mac Pro, I just yanked the OS X HD, stuck in a blank HD, whanged in the XP DVD and installed away - but maybe those were simpler, more innocent days.
Maybe you should just buy a Windows PC. Apple has a different concept.
Btw: I have no issues with Win8 and I am using it from day one.
Is an OS, not a system.
Actually I tend to think of it as a virus that noble hackers around the world work tirelessly to stamp out
Just kidding.In seriousness, I prefer not to refer to Windows using the abbreviation "OS" because that can get confusing with Apple's "OS X." Just my preference mind you.
That's the stuff I don't get. I understand that Job's vision was to have great consumer products. Appliances as he said. But why is it so hard for Apple to recognize that a significant chunk of their customers (back in the days and increasingly so today) are professionals who need to get stuff done? And that can be the creative crowd as well as the account type crowd that more than ever is drawn to the nice hardware (via mobile devices or not).
And with that come certain requirements. I wish I could switch over to OS X. I really like it. But it lacks still a number of things. Windows 8 is a joke and not often used in the professional/office realm. Windows 7 is the standard (with XP still being around by the way). And for good reason.
On my Mac I can't use MS Access or MS Project. On my Mac (Mavericks) I can't get a VPN connection to my office (I don't care who's to blame but it worked before Mavericks and it works on my Windows machines). That alone is a big factor.
If I didn't have Windows machines in the house I'd need an installation of Windows 7. if they take that away they drive away customers like me who for exactly those reasons never bought a Mac until very recently (as a dedicated machine for photography and audio recording). It's a shame. The usual office schmocks are ready and willing to buy more Apple products. They like their iPhones and iPads. Don't stand in their way, please. And this is an appeal to both Apple and Microsoft. It's the 21st century. I shouldn't have to fiddle with email server settings and calendar sync issues and VPN access problems and CD image incompatibilities anymore.
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Because, unfortunately, their own OS has a number of flaws and missing features. I'd prefer they fix those. But in the meantime, unfortunately, grown-ups still need to refer back to Windows 7 every now and so often.
And with that come certain requirements. I wish I could switch over to OS X. I really like it. But it lacks still a number of things. Windows 8 is a joke and not often used in the professional/office realm. Windows 7 is the standard (with XP still being around by the way). And for good reason.
On my Mac I can't use MS Access or MS Project. On my Mac (Mavericks) I can't get a VPN connection to my office (I don't care who's to blame but it worked before Mavericks and it works on my Windows machines). That alone is a big factor.
If I didn't have Windows machines in the house I'd need an installation of Windows 7. if they take that away they drive away customers like me who for exactly those reasons never bought a Mac until very recently (as a dedicated machine for photography and audio recording). It's a shame. The usual office schmocks are ready and willing to buy more Apple products. They like their iPhones and iPads. Don't stand in their way, please. And this is an appeal to both Apple and Microsoft. It's the 21st century. I shouldn't have to fiddle with email server settings and calendar sync issues and VPN access problems and CD image incompatibilities anymore.
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Because, unfortunately, their own OS has a number of flaws and missing features. I'd prefer they fix those. But in the meantime, unfortunately, grown-ups still need to refer back to Windows 7 every now and so often.
why dont you ask them that
https://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/04/05Apple-Introduces-Boot-Camp.html
I agree. I use Win 7 and Boot Camp/VMware almost daily and I'm glad that I can, but I really don't see how people can get so ticked off at a company for not supporting a competing OS. In my opinion, we should be thankful that Apple doesn't stop supporting Boot Camp all together...
If the reason is what I suspect and due to Secure Boot, then no you can not do it "manually". Windows 7 does not support secure boot. In fact you also won't be able to install Linux (unless it's one of the very few distros that supports secure boot).
-PopinFRESH
So did Windows 7 - the problem was that Apple did not. They used EFI rather than UEFI until recently.
As has been suggested by other people though, it's possible that Apple are using SecureBoot now though, which Windows 7 does not support.
Windows XP is unsupported by Microsoft at this point. It's an outdated, insecure operating system.
Windows 7 is as old as Snow Leopard. Why would you try to run either on a new machine like the Mac Pro?
Mainstream support from Microsoft for Windows 7 ends in 2015.
The spring update will boot to desktop by default for systems without a touchscreen.
It's this kind of misinformation that is causing people to say Windows 8 is "a nightmare" etc.
Windows 8 is not designed for touchscreens.
It's designed so that you can use touchscreens effectively now, but there is no requirement, and things are just fine with a keyboard and mouse.
They only thing they changed was replacing the start menu with the start screen - and once you actually spend some time with it, you will realize that the start screen is better, as your pinned applications are identifiable by size, position, and color, rather than being in a simple list.
Everything else is completely optional.
Well boot camp should actually be unnecessary now that they are using UEFI hardware instead of the EFI that older Macs had.
However, Windows does not really compete with OS X.
Apple is a hardware company, and Microsoft is a software company.
Apple builds software in order to sell their hardware as an integrated solution, but if someone wants to change the software on their Mac, it doesn't harm Apple at all - they've already bought the hardware.
And it's a good way to convince people to switch. If they are unsure, they always have the fallback of "well, if I don't like it, I can always put Windows on the machine".
XP Mode a likely consideration
No Windows 7 support can been seen as a proactive response to the upcoming Windows XP end of life date. Windows 7 has an XPMode which is pretty much a Windows XP in a VirtualPC emulator.
It's hard to make believe there are no viruses when you run an operating system that is not secured against current threats. In the XPMode for Windows 7 page, Microsoft is recommending that machines disconnect from the internet during use after WXP EOL.
Apple must be thinking more about the virus free image and less that supporting more versions of Windows means more Apple converts. That is what brought me in.
No Windows 7 support can been seen as a proactive response to the upcoming Windows XP end of life date. Windows 7 has an XPMode which is pretty much a Windows XP in a VirtualPC emulator.
It's hard to make believe there are no viruses when you run an operating system that is not secured against current threats. In the XPMode for Windows 7 page, Microsoft is recommending that machines disconnect from the internet during use after WXP EOL.
Apple must be thinking more about the virus free image and less that supporting more versions of Windows means more Apple converts. That is what brought me in.
This is problematic for a lot of reasons - many pros require software that is Windows only, and most of that software is not yet officially supported on Windows 8.1. I'm running 8.1, and I have everything working, but still... my volume of work is comparatively low due to a diverse list of clients and projects, but other people need to be able to constantly plug away in Solid Works et al all day long, and have to be able to run the correct supported software.
It's a shame Apple would do this - it seems shortsighted. ...though really, maybe they were embarrassed by how many people were buying their machines just to run Windows...
It's a shame Apple would do this - it seems shortsighted. ...though really, maybe they were embarrassed by how many people were buying their machines just to run Windows...
Is Apple doing MS a favour by forcing people to upgrade?
Perhaps MS is creating more office apps for Apple hardware in return?
Apart from that I don't understand all the fuss, most people that occasionally need Windows will use VMware or Parallels or similar, and if you really need to constantly boot into Windows only, well, get a PC!
Perhaps MS is creating more office apps for Apple hardware in return?
Apart from that I don't understand all the fuss, most people that occasionally need Windows will use VMware or Parallels or similar, and if you really need to constantly boot into Windows only, well, get a PC!
"Bootcamp Assistant" boils down to three major things.
1. partition the storage drive. ( juggling moving "recovery partition", "the HFS+ volume" and making room for windows and boot records )
2. creating an install image. (basically targeting an install at that newly minted partition and setting reboots toward that partition. )
3. creating/installing custom Apple drivers.
The first is clearly doable manually. The second, getting "ISO image" isn't all that hard to get from MS these days. The third is probably the bigger crux.
For the last the issue is whether is Apple is going to bother to write drivers for older OS. Apple docking station/monitors have practically no buttons so everything is done through software controls. If deeply embedded into proprietary Apple hardware functionality, but want it to work in Windows. .... that is the bigger issue. If the Windows partition is almost completely seperate and using high amount of mainstream PC market hardware then it shouldn't be a big issue.
I suspect they'll be some "HOW TO" instructions flow up eventually on how to put Win7 on without a point-and-click assistant to do the work.
There are no DVDs OS anymore in the default Apple ecosystem.
USB thumb flash drive installs are the Apple way now. If have Windows on a USB flash drive "ready to go" that is one of the issues.
I don't quite understand Apple these days
They used to be mavericks in the realm of supporting the widest range of their products. (See what I did thar.. )
Nowadays they drop support for software and hardware within a year or two of its release.
Again, this will not affect older MPs that already have 7 installed, but how about when 10.10 ships? Will that break the support for existing installs?
)Nowadays they drop support for software and hardware within a year or two of its release.
Again, this will not affect older MPs that already have 7 installed, but how about when 10.10 ships? Will that break the support for existing installs?