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Costco learned the hard way by being too generous with their return policy. You're going to see a bunch of morons who don't really want the product start to abuse the policy.

No you won't. Apple isn't Costco. If you broke down Costco's returned items they weren't Apple products. They were cheap HP, Dell, Asus, etc.
 
1. BRILLIANT! No restocking fee is fantastic.

2. Not to be hating on Apple, but while working there one of the few quips I had was with the floor "specialists". Generally most don't know anything about the basics of computing systems (it's just a retail gig for college students or anyone really). Behind the bar I had so many floor specialists approach me asking questions like "What's RAM?" or "What does WiFi mean?" I get that they're paid low hourly wages, I've been there, and I helped a lot of them as they were sweet and scared s**tless as they were thrown to the wolves. Yet when customers come back to the bar because the sales specialist misinformed them about some such issue it was a PITA.

So my point, I love that Apple is refocusing on Mac's again, and I hope they train their employees to better understand computing basics and then take it a step further to match customer needs with the right system(s).

Otherwise awesome news! Let's make 2011 the year of OS X! :)

Fail.

It has nothing to do with stupidity - there are times when no amount of research will suffice and only hands on experience will be the deciding factor. Some people may simply not be able to get used to OSX or may get poor signal with the iPhone, e.g.


Think before you post.

I agree with you, makes perfect sense especially with such expensive and personal merchandise…

…and please, I am so tired of posts that end with nasty remarks. Look guys, enough already. Do you have to insult someone you don't know because you don't agree with their opinion? Everyday I come on here and 30-40% of the posts are immature and condescending. We're all adults here, let's start acting like it and treating each other as you would like to be treated.
 
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How would they benefit (other than customer satisfaction) from dropping restocking fees?
 
Move to Britain: a restocking fee is illegal.

Isn't this only the case for returns within your statutory rights? eg-

Distance purchases
Faulty goods
Goods that do not meet description

If you buy in store and everything is fine with the product and you change your mind the retailer is under no obligation to do anything as you have formed a binding contract?

Good news anyway, I once successfully challenged a return fee for something I bought online (not Apple though). I also always smile and think "Nice try" when I see a "No refunds" sign in a shop!

As to the Mac set up issue- how hard is it to create an iTunes account and use the Mac App store?!
 
Anyone find this coincidental that they are planning this the same day as the alleged 'VZW iPhone announcement' event? It's odd that they would do something like that the same day.

BL.

Actually it makes great sense. This way people that recently bought an AT&T iPhone can bring it back and get a Verizon iPhone. Life is good and getting better!
 
Alright, settle down some of you. Clearly they're not going to lose money at this. I'm quite sure they've thought this through, and otherwise have a pretty good idea of how to run a successful retail chain.

Apple's margins are fairly high. You were getting somewhat screwed before, and will continue to be. This won't make or break much for anyone involved. They'll actually sell even more now that their customers are given that warm fuzzy over the idea that their purchase is risk-free.
 
If you buy in store and everything is fine with the product and you change your mind the retailer is under no obligation to do anything as you have formed a binding contract?

That is correct, retailers do it as part of good customer service.

As to the Mac set up issue- how hard is it to create an iTunes account and use the Mac App store?!

Not everyone is computer literate.
 
There is no way Apple can lose eliminating restocking fees. Returned items will sold as refurbished units (typically 15% off) and the profit margin on most items is 30%, so they will make money regardless. The added bonus is that Apple will get many more impulse buys if there is no risk.
 
Personal setup will be good for newbies

I've got a sister who has been avoiding computers as much as she can because she's worried about the learning curve. With a personal setup from apple, that'll go a long way in convincing here that it's worth it.
 
Apple retail stores in the UK have long had a no restocking fees policy and also a no-quibble return policy on anything - used or unused - within 14 days. A couple of years ago I was after some good quality ear buds, and the Apple Store salesman was quite happy for me to purchase a third-party £100 model, try them out and return them if I didn't like them.

As well as the risk of people going a bit over the top, such as buying ten different types of a product to try them all, I guess there's also the risk of people buying stuff from the Apple stores, then ordering it cheaper online from another source and returning the original once their cheaper one is delivered. This must happen, but Apple have obviously factored this in and still find the policy beneficial to them in the UK and clearly now feel it will also work for them in the US.
 
You bet! Now I can "rent" 10 Mac Book Pros for the weekend. I mean, the measure is suicidal.

Imagine all that people who works in video production that need to set up a render farm for just a week. They can get 5 Mac Pro, load the software via Firewire in just 2 hours and vualá! you have a brand new mac up and running for that specific project.

Or lets get a Mac Book Pro for that corporate meeting, load the software and that is it.

People will do that, I have once actually a few years ago, even with the restocking fee it was a good deal.

This is rubbish. I've worked in lots of places and companies just don't pull this BS on each other. If we need gear we buy it. If we need to rent gear we rent it. Alternatively we might borrow it under special agreement.

Only the lowest kind of unethical outfit that would also abuse their customers would consider doing this to a supplier. And, you know what, companies that behave unfairly to customers and suppliers aren't really a business at all.
 
How would they benefit (other than customer satisfaction) from dropping restocking fees?

They sell more product to risk-averse customers or those new to mac (50% of buyers) who would otherwise be put off by the risk of a several hundred dollar cost if they aren't happy with their purchase.
 
Definitely agreed, but they're tapping into a 80+ million subscriber market. The best option is to make it even better for new adopters.

I mean how many people got an iPhone, loved it, and then decided "well I love this phone lets see what else Apple has to offer" and possibly went w/ another device (Macbook, Apple TV, whatever)? Probably quite a few.

They already sell the iPhone at retail in the Apple Store. This has nothing to do with selling the iPhone themselves.

In fact, here in Canada, they sell the iPhone unlocked at retail. 650$ gets you an unlocked iPhone 4 ready to use on any of the carriers.
 
They already sell the iPhone at retail in the Apple Store. This has nothing to do with selling the iPhone themselves.

In fact, here in Canada, they sell the iPhone unlocked at retail. 650$ gets you an unlocked iPhone 4 ready to use on any of the carriers.

Did you not get what I said? I know they sell it in stores, in fact my comment you quoted is specifically about how people purchased the iPhone at an Apple store, and probably quite a few decided to look at other Apple products because of the quality of their product + the experience they had.

So with a possible 80+ million new customers about to get an iPhone option (if Verizon does, indeed, announce Tuesday) Apple is gearing up to be even MORE friendly to capitalize on that experience, and not only cut out the middle man as they have when selling it themselves, but also use interest in the iPhone to get customers interested in other products.

It's undeniable that if Verizon gets the announcement foot traffic in the stores will spike (especially for 30-60 days post-release) dramatically and by making the changes listed they can fully capitalize on that traffic to get people interested in the full suite of Apple products with these new customers.
 
I don't think it's a good idea. Some people might take advantage of it.

Probably will be short lived.

Agree, there will be more people abusing the system. Especially in the US there is a mentality to buy and return after two weeks of use.

So it still had to be within the 14 day return period?

1 or 2 years would be better - people would get more use out of the product before returning it

What if you were unhappy with a product?

Problem is, these restocking fees applied to all products, even those that didn't live up to expectations. It's one thing when a customer just "changes their mind," but it's another thing entirely if a customer is returning a product that didn't work as well as expected. ...And previously Apple would have charged a restocking fee in either situation, and that's not fair.

A few years ago I purchased an external HDD from Apple that was featured on their online Store's front page. But it was loud, clunky, and slow. I was able to talk myself out of the restocking fee, but that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. I think it's great that restocking fees are becoming a thing of the past.

A broken product should qualify for free replacement

How the hell are you paying for someone else to return a purchased product? :confused:

Its calculated in the sales prices. The more free returns they expect, they more the charge for the product.

I'd love to get a new MacBook Air. I think they are sweet machines, sexy like most Apple products etc.

I have an iMac, unibody MacBook, iPad and iPhone 4. I am considering getting rid of the iPad and MacBook and buying the iPad 2 when it includes FaceTime since the only thing we use the MacBook for is webcam sessions with our parents to see their grandkids.

I have no use for a laptop as the iPad and desktop do all I need and the current MB gets little use.

With this new policy, I could buy an MBA, play with it for 10 days, as opposed to 10 minutes in the store, etc.]

THAT is what I mean with abuse of the system. No use of the product, just want to play with it, maybe show off to the friends how cool you are and than returning it.
 
Why is macrumors not writing that VLC got removed from the app store, I think it's a top story, can't understand why they ignore it?!
 
Sweet. No Best Buys in my area charge a restocking fee either and I like to go through them anyway. Less crowded and less hassle.
 
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