They already spoke up and were told no. That's it. Continuing to bitch and whine and nag hoping they will eventually give in is just childish. Grown ass adults should know that they don't always get what they want.
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Apple Employees Continue to Fight Return to Campuses and Push for Better Remote Working Options
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This. Even in "distributed" companies, if there's a home office, those in person do better. No "distributed workforce policy" will prevent two in person coworkers from discussing business in the kitchen, hallways, or lunch.
In my opinion, Apple should fire this group and replacement them with people that will come to work etc.
Sorry no. COVID will be around for a very long time and will have ups and downs as far as infection rates. You can’t have very low numbers, come back, have numbers going higher and go back to WFH. If you don’t want to work at Apple and follow their rules, leave. There may be people who will work at Apple with their rules.
This year’s WWDC sowcased a complete lack of innovation. Things like the new Safari tabs would have been killed before they would’ve been shown to the public because it’s an utter mess.
Companies like Apple need people in an office in order to function for the full 110%. If you can’t live with that idea Apple might nog be your company. It’s part of Apple’s DNA to be around with others creating great things. Being alone in your home office with your kid running around and cars and dogs making noise won’t help you achieve that.
Companies like Apple need people in an office in order to function for the full 110%. If you can’t live with that idea Apple might nog be your company. It’s part of Apple’s DNA to be around with others creating great things. Being alone in your home office with your kid running around and cars and dogs making noise won’t help you achieve that.
Apple should provide dormitories for employees!
"Approximately 10 people from the Slack channel have claimed they are planning to quit if forced to return from the office".
Apple is doomed.
Apple is doomed.
What did these people do before covid? It’s not like California housing prices just shot up in the last year. And why are they leaking this to the press? That doesn’t seem like a very good way to get Apple leadership to listen to their complaints. ?♀️
Wow.
This thread is like a light in the dark for all the mosquitoes of a certain type.
This thread is like a light in the dark for all the mosquitoes of a certain type.
The "grown ass adults" are the value makers at Apple. They are entitled to complain and demand a more modern flexible work system that many other modern companies are adopting too.
So if these employees are leaving California for lower cost states then I guess Apple has the right to adjust their salary downward accordingly?
Unique mosquitos attracted to rubber and leather from boots.
Good lord, you people come out of the woodwork for these articles.
Sometimes it’s worth looking for smaller companies over those „prestige“ opportunities. I was going to quit my job last February, just before the pandemic hit because I was going to move across the country for private reasons but my boss didn’t want to loose me so I was / am allowed to work from home permanently. I wouldn’t trade it for more money. I went from a 90 minutes commute (1 way) for 4 years, to 3 steps from my bed. Now I finish work around 4:30 pm and I am home! Instead of being home at like 8 pm. Days can be so long, it’s amazing
Well, why stay with an outdated company? I wouldn’t ,too. We have 2021 and not 1821.
Seems like there are better companies to work for there…
Fire all 10 of these ungrateful lazy fools and anyone else who whines and make examples of them Tim. They just want to wake up at 11, sip some coffee, watch The Price Is Right and daytimes soaps all under the guise of "working from home". They should consider themselves lucky to be employed by Apple and if they don't like it there's the front door.
I deal with a mix-bag of realities and opinions on this. I have some employees that are phenomenal no matter where they work. Some have improved dramatically while working from home and some obviously need to be in a structured environment and more closely managed. I do know that a lot of people that assess themselves as being "more productive" when working from home are, in fact, not. We have actually had to lower expectations of individual workers across the board and hire more resources to meet our deadlines and deliverables. A lot of companies are going to wrestle with balancing the savings on office overhead vs. the productivity impact of a remote or hybrid workforce. I think "hybrid" actually makes it worse because it maintains some office overhead costs and still introduces productivity impact.
You realize the employees are a major facet of what makes a company good or not? Having them leave would almost certainly not make for better products coming out of Apple.
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And they did. And were told no. Just because they didn't like the answer, it doesn't mean they can try and bully Apple until they get what they want.
Exactly. Most claiming they’re “more productive” are actually talking about their personal stuff. Not actual work. Millions of people got paid to babysit their kids and go shopping mid day. Not to mention it’s not exactly mentally healthy to be answering emails and working at 11PM after all that. As with everything there are trade offs. Yes high home prices suck, as do long commute times. But most of these people were fine before. It’s becoming a sense of entitlement that’s unfortunately been overwhelming the US lately. The working conditions at Apple are about 100X better than thousands of other companies out there.
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Too many people siding with Corporate here.
I'm with the workers, because I always side with the workers.
Anyhow, the ideal way would be to evaluate each worker individually. If their productivity increased or is the same when they work from home, let them WFH. Those workers who's productivity suffers need to be reigned in and movitivated in the office. Apple decides what constitutes "productivity" in this case, after all, it's their money.
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Commuting sucks. I interviewed for a job (business manager for a Catholic school) that's a 5 minutes walk from home. They asked me why I was willing to take a paycut (1/2 what I'm currently making). Not having to commute is worth it for me. More time with the wife and kids, no more battling traffic 2 hours a day, way better life/work balance...oh hell yeah worth it.
I'm with the workers, because I always side with the workers.Anyhow, the ideal way would be to evaluate each worker individually. If their productivity increased or is the same when they work from home, let them WFH. Those workers who's productivity suffers need to be reigned in and movitivated in the office. Apple decides what constitutes "productivity" in this case, after all, it's their money.
Commuting sucks. I interviewed for a job (business manager for a Catholic school) that's a 5 minutes walk from home. They asked me why I was willing to take a paycut (1/2 what I'm currently making). Not having to commute is worth it for me. More time with the wife and kids, no more battling traffic 2 hours a day, way better life/work balance...oh hell yeah worth it.
Unfortunately they can still try to bully apple. One of the faults is that they created a culture of “everyone’s feelings and opinions matter”. Which is fine but many companies are taking it to extremes with all the PC crap going on. The wokeness is coming back to bite them.
On a side note I think it’s hilarious that corporate America has now hijacked the political correct language of the anti corporate people in the public. HAH!