Unlikely. The ones working from home will get faster promotions by having higher productivity.
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Apple Employees Continue to Fight Return to Campuses and Push for Better Remote Working Options
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Reading these posts, I am surprised at the number of posters who hate people like themselves, who work for a living and want the best situation for themselves as possible.
At my own state university, we not only proved that work efficiency did not change, but also sick days and other time off requested fell by 33 percent. Power usage in the main computing center dropped by 40 percent. Employees were happy and the work was getting done (a lot of it is working on virtualized systems). No braving traffic (nor using more gas, despite the university being "green".)
But they want everyone back by September, sitting in their office at a computer, when doing the same thing at home was no different. You are just staring at different walls. But the truth is, the state wanted a bargaining chip for union negotiations next year. Bargaining chips. So much for valuing their employees.
At my own state university, we not only proved that work efficiency did not change, but also sick days and other time off requested fell by 33 percent. Power usage in the main computing center dropped by 40 percent. Employees were happy and the work was getting done (a lot of it is working on virtualized systems). No braving traffic (nor using more gas, despite the university being "green".)
But they want everyone back by September, sitting in their office at a computer, when doing the same thing at home was no different. You are just staring at different walls. But the truth is, the state wanted a bargaining chip for union negotiations next year. Bargaining chips. So much for valuing their employees.
I've worked in offices where I knew I would get more done if I worked at home without distractions. But there's also a lot to be said for being in an office face to face and collaborating in real time. Maybe there is a good balance to be had, but the entitlement in these letters, and the false sense of leverage these employees think they have, is just sad. When the pandemic is under control and government assistance ends, these folks are going to see how much leverage they really have.
Sure it does.
An employer and employee relationship is fluid and negotiated (and should be).
It sounds like you'd all advocate for Apple to fire these folks.
Maybe they will?
Then Apple can deal with any repercussions of doing so.
It takes a LOT of self-discipline to have a successful work-from-home career. There's far too many life distractions that come along. It's not a model for just anyone.
This entitlement mindset is what happens in a Society when everyone gets a participation ribbon
Very easy fix:
Those that prefer to remote: lower their salaries
Those that prefer to office: up their salaries
Those that prefer to remote: lower their salaries
Those that prefer to office: up their salaries
The employees demanding this should move on and seek employment elsewhere. Easy.
A win for them and a win for Apple.
A win for them and a win for Apple.
You know, I actually like this for one particular reason.
I've always felt that these companies should be paying people for their commute time if they want them in the office.
You reward people for their output and contribution. Not because they sit in the same office as you or go out for a fag at the same time as you on the balcony.
I agree with this also.
But - I do think in the modern era, people should be getting paid more just for coming in.
Commuting is a serious time sink for most everyone doing it, as living anywhere close to major offices is usually cost prohibitive or undesirable for other reasons.
If I were young and skilled enough to work for Apple I’d prefer a well appointed yurt on those lovely well tended grounds among the carefully selected trees we read about here several years ago. I’d just pop on out of the yurt and jog off to my cubby in the spaceship, which if I remember correctly has some good amenities.
I’m not so sure how it would work out to raise a family in one, though. And I’m sure there’s probably some negative environmental impact if they put in too many yurts. People are messy.
There's a huge difference between wanting the best working conditions and continuing to piss and moan like my 5-year old when he's repeatedly told no
These are skilled value creators, not a whiny 5 year old you can "dictate terms to".
Apple doesn't "own them".
If Apple doesn't like it - fire them!
I think this is beyond "being happy they have a job", I think these are people who likely have people recruiting them all the time and when companies who offer remote work are recruiting you and the employer you're with and generally enjoy working for isn't offering this, you push to see if they're willing to budge before moving forward with one of the other options.
Good for them. Work should be results oriented; beyond that nothing should matter. If you can successfully do your job at home you should be able to do so. I’m assuming by iOS 15 and macOS development they were able to do so.
I’m sure Apple is sad their overpriced spaceship isn’t being used to its fullest, but c’est la vie. People got used to a better quality of life and not being endlessly micromanaged.
I’m sure Apple is sad their overpriced spaceship isn’t being used to its fullest, but c’est la vie. People got used to a better quality of life and not being endlessly micromanaged.
This is pathetic. Tim Cook should fire every signatory of this without further discussion.
Makes sense, I've read about the terrible work conditions there: free gym, most advanced office in the world, good pay, good food, so terrible!
Companies aren't our overlords. Especially if you are a highly skilled person. The whole concept that companies control 100 percent of the work "flow" is over. Things can flow both ways now, if they want to keep highly skilled people.
Lol. Man I haven't heard someone use the word "fag" for a smoke in a LONG time. Good one!
Why do you think they haven't or don't want to?
Is it possible the employees are valuable?
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madrigal77 conversing with the founding fathers:
"Let's send a letter to King George asking for better representation for our taxes! If he says no we shouldn't try to bully him into getting what we want because we're grown adults that were granted the privilege of serving the Crown."
*Jefferson realizes madrigal77 doesn't know what activism and campaigning for better conditions is*
all this is a power move. companies want control thats really all it comes down to. many jobs where you work with excel and a computer all day there is no reason whosoever to waste time in an office with clown coworkers you don't like. its a power move and nothing more
Being told 3 times now that they're not going to be able to continue to watch tv from home under the guise of work IS whining