When a monster corp has become TBTF, your logic makes no sense. One person not buying an iPhone will do nothing to “let them know” anything. Do you really think there will EVER come a time now when even millions of people not buying iPhones will have any impact on anything Apple does ? Ranting on a tech forum is a way to let other consumers know , not to let the monster corp know. You know this. But you want people to stop saying how they feel, for some reason… 🤔
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Apple Employees Reportedly Petitioning Against Plan to Return to Office 3x Per Week
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When a monster corp has become TBTF, your logic makes no sense. One person not buying an iPhone will do nothing to “let them know” anything. Do you really think there will EVER come a time now when even millions of people not buying iPhones will have any impact on anything Apple does ? Ranting on a tech forum is a way to let other consumers know , not to let the monster corp know. You know this. But you want people to stop saying how they feel, for some reason… 🤔
Not true.
"I bet you’d do really well as a citizen of North Korea"
Though I will say a juvenile retort like the one above certainly helps drive me to respect the options/decisons of a CEO of one of the most successful companies in the world, more than yours.
Yes, but if there are good arguments as of why, the boss should take them into consideration. Sometimes the office's working environment leads to actual less productivity than what a home-office can deliver for some situations.
In our case, actually collaboration is much better when working from home, since each small group that collaborates is isolated in its own remote collaboration channel, whereas in the office with the open-office layout we have the overlapping discussions tend to become quite loud and distracting.
As it should be. One person's rant vs 200,000,000 repeat Apple customers purchasing Apple iPhones.
"Ranting on a tech forum is a way to let other consumers know , not to let the monster corp know."
That is so funny! And how's your public service message working out? Hitting Apple where it hurts?
Not true??? You’ve said twice now that it doesn’t matter what I think because I don’t run or work for the company. Dear leader is the only one who could possibly understand the hardships involved in running the country. How dare I question the taste of the crickets I am rationed.
"Not true" was in response to not considering your opinion. I considered it and will go with Apple's leadership on the need for the Steve's Job's Apple Park being important for continued success.
"Haha well, I’m talking to you and you keep replying , so someone is listening!"
But that's not sending a message to Apple, which was ostensibly your goal.
I definitely provided feedback directly to Apple about some issues I had with their products, e.g. the butterfly keyboard on my MacBook Pro I had to replace 3 times...
I would also not be so surprised if someone at Apple actually does monitor the major online Apple communities in some way as to provide some insight to management on the public perception of the company.
As I said, it is the best way, but not the only way.
Snarky/oddly angry comments not withstanding...
I work in finance and can virtually guarantee my household income eclipses yours. I have the ability to do about 95% of my job from home if I wanted to, but I don't want to.
Human beings need designated spaces; a space for relaxation/play, and a separate space for work and productivity. Working from home blurs these lines, and anyone who does the mental gymnastics required to convince themselves and their employers that they're as productive at home as they are in a dedicated workspace is kidding themselves.
Logic tells me Apple wants to get those workers back in the mothership where they can have better control over their very sloppy WFH quality of work. In the last few years Apple has turned out garbage for software. I once held high hopes that WFH could be implemented and help save the planet from commuter pollution. But Apple employees proved it won't work...
On the contrary, I have very clear ideas. Lumber yard? I can’t have any fun there.
You are assuming that since you cannot separate your work from your relaxation/play, nobody else can. You are also assuming that you cannot create a dedicated workspace at home which is better than the dedicate workspace you are provided at work.
All of these assumptions might be true in your case, which means for you it's indeed the best decision to go and work in the office, but they are by no means universal truths and different people with different home and office situations might have very good reasons to make a very different decision than yours to be more productive.
Just a "petition"? Pffft. They should go full nuclear and hire Lawyers, start a big tax-wasting lawsuit to FORCE Apple Inc to let them work from home. And threaten to escalate it to the Supreme Court.... because this needs to waste $200 million dollars of the Federal Court system's efforts and attention and the tax payer money.
Predicted outcome:
Presiding Judge is a Millennial or younger: All Apple employees are allowed to work from home. Even the janitors at the Spaceship Campus are allowed to work from home.
Apple is fined billions of dollars.
Presiding Judge is a Generation-X or a Boomer: Court sides with Apple, and the Lawyers and the Employee Reps are each fined thousands of dollars for wasting everyone's time. Court also allows Apple to fire every single petition leader without repercussions. And the Judge ends with: "You lazy kids, get your butts back to work! And stop pretending to be working when you're having mezcals in Cancún. And get off my lawn!"
Predicted outcome:
Presiding Judge is a Millennial or younger: All Apple employees are allowed to work from home. Even the janitors at the Spaceship Campus are allowed to work from home.
Apple is fined billions of dollars. Presiding Judge is a Generation-X or a Boomer: Court sides with Apple, and the Lawyers and the Employee Reps are each fined thousands of dollars for wasting everyone's time. Court also allows Apple to fire every single petition leader without repercussions. And the Judge ends with: "You lazy kids, get your butts back to work! And stop pretending to be working when you're having mezcals in Cancún. And get off my lawn!"
I bet “stage manager” was the result of a couple zoom meetings. yeah, this is good! Good job guys, let’s call it a day! Uh jeff? Your camera is still on. What are you doing down there…? Oh god!!
Next day on zoom…
Hey team! I had an idea last night! Let’s sell more iPads by making our awesome feature only work on the latest models!!
Uh jeff?? JEFF. WE STILL SEE YOU.
I find it amazing how american's hate americans and rather just watch everyone burn in the name of "my opinion is special because everyone else is entitled", especially when it comes to subjects that have nothing to do with them. Are you all really that self-righteous? No wonder you are all shooting each other. You are also known to work the most hours, with the least productivity of any evolved country. Clearly coming to the office every day 9 to 5 is keeping you guys happy, healthy and productive. Here's a thought, try something new.
The combining of home space and office space may be acceptable to some who live in large houses (I realize you likely have a nice home and are still opposed to WFH and I applaud you). However, here in Europe and it applies equally to some folks in North America, people may live with a spouse in a one bedroom apartment, or as is the case in London, four or five single people share in house with a common living room and kitchen. Their only private space being their bedroom. How can people in this situations work and concentrate and then feel they are finished work at the end of the day when they are still in the same place?
Mentally and heath wise it is a recipe for disaster. Wait until winter comes and companies expect singles or couples to pay for an extra 8 hours of heat in a London apartment. If these employers are not paying the full heating bills for this time they are nothing more than criminals.
Can people imagine if this I Only Want To Work From Home happened to the entire TESLA Team responsible for FSD?
Engineer 1: I only want to work from home! We can get everything designed and done from home!
Engineer 2: Yeah. We can just use software to simulate our Teslas trying to do automated self driving. We'll never need to actually touch, inspect, or ride in an actual physical Tesla car! No more having to commute to the Gigafactory or the FSD Lab. We can do it all from our home PCs.
Engineer 3: I love it! Those stupid test crash scenarios we did in the Fremont warehouse was a chore. I'm sure we will be more efficient just doing everything with Zoom!
Elon Musk announces the "Ready for the World Release" of FSD 16 months later: hundreds of TESLA car owners (and pedestrians) die in countless accidents. In a single year.
Engineer 1: I only want to work from home! We can get everything designed and done from home!
Engineer 2: Yeah. We can just use software to simulate our Teslas trying to do automated self driving. We'll never need to actually touch, inspect, or ride in an actual physical Tesla car! No more having to commute to the Gigafactory or the FSD Lab. We can do it all from our home PCs.
Engineer 3: I love it! Those stupid test crash scenarios we did in the Fremont warehouse was a chore. I'm sure we will be more efficient just doing everything with Zoom!
Elon Musk announces the "Ready for the World Release" of FSD 16 months later: hundreds of TESLA car owners (and pedestrians) die in countless accidents. In a single year.
In every software industry....as a user...productivity appears down. Video games are coming out slower, software is buggier. I could be wrong but my perception is that the work from home thing is not working. And at this point...we are in the endemic stage and staying home unless you are sick or on chemo serves no purpose.
Everyone in a public traded company is an employee. Tim Cook is employed by the Apple Board of Trustees. Classism is an ugly look.
Almost as if the whole thing was conducted for these economic and production issues to occur? 🤔
I said almost! don’t come at me with a 💉 in your hand!
That’s right , Timmy is just a normal guy. So eat your cricket chips while he effortlessly affords sushi and filet every night 🤣 he worked so hard for it, don’t be a classist.
So, it's not your call and you don't care. But you also felt the need to take to an internet forum to call the act of advocating for a work environment that better meets an employees needs "entitled and ridiculous behaviour"? Weird.
People who simply can't work from home by virtue of the job they perform, obviously, can't work from home. That's not what we're talking about here.
The only agenda here is yours, pushing the old and tired attitude that an employer should be free to dictate terms of employment with no consideration for an employees needs. Which isn't even what's happening here, strangely. The real world is a little more complicated than you seem to believe.
This could be spot on, but that's Apple's call. If the workers don't like that arrangement, then yes they should quit. When that becomes painful enough for Apple, they must adapt to survive. If turnover doesn't become a big issue, then Apple called their bluff. Anyone can argue if this is a good business decision, but it is Apple's nonetheless.