This is what happens when you let the employees dictate the rules. Years ago these companies started to bend to the people way to much. Google, Microsoft especially
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Apple Employees Reportedly Petitioning Against Plan to Return to Office 3x Per Week
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Indeed and probably much more than that. In terms of trade secrets, security and compliance, fully remote setup is extremely challenging if with company-issued devices in many areas. I'd argue even design partially, but mainly engineering and hands-on areas.
I bet it's a lot less ... because I have done both
They are not releasing the OS because the new hardware isn't ready. And it isn't discriminatory if you work in a field that doesn't permit WFH. And the whole they were hired knowing they would have to work in an office, guess what things change and have changed...
Imagine saying no to going to the Apple Park 3 times / week... I work at a dumpster and I enjoy going and socialize with my coworkers
With all due respect, but highly educated professionals have always been in a position of power because they will jump ship easily. If Google allows WHF and Apple doesn't, guess what will happen.
They certainly have a right to make their wishes known. Apple certainly has the right to tell them to suck it up and report to work. I'm sure some people will quit but there will be plenty of other people who will take advantage of the opportunity.
As someone said, some job functions can be done at home but overall the quality of work and support/service has deteriorated dramatically across the board during these covid times. What is good for an individual may not be good for the company or customers.
As someone said, some job functions can be done at home but overall the quality of work and support/service has deteriorated dramatically across the board during these covid times. What is good for an individual may not be good for the company or customers.
Ok? Not everyone feels the same; I socialize at the social organizations I belong to...
Life goes on and both companies will continue being successful.
Because the leadership with inside information at both companies know what's essential for operations at their companies and overall success.
Outsiders on tech forums don't have a clue, oblivious that their anecdotal experiences at the company they're employed at have zero bearing on Apple's or Google's needs.
Apple Employees could barely make ends meet? Yeah, ok. (Epic eye roll)
Most of the people who makes these decisions live close to the office (and/or have drivers), and have their own office, and are not out in an open floorplan.
I can be more efficient working from home, with no commute in my controlled environment, than in the office after a tiring commute sitting in a noisy open floorplan (and potentially with people with infectious diseases sitting around me.)
I can be more efficient working from home, with no commute in my controlled environment, than in the office after a tiring commute sitting in a noisy open floorplan (and potentially with people with infectious diseases sitting around me.)
I suspected most of the support/server deteriorating clams are coming from middle management. Do you know how I know? The company I used to work for made the same claims when they made most people come back to working in the middle of 2020, only to have to go back to full WFH a few weeks later. I used the word claim because the company had the highest production year in the history of the company's 40 years. The company mostly works with data to produce documents for construction projects. In 2021 when they made everyone come back every other day and refused to negotiate terms, I agreed to work two days a week in the office, and they told me no; two weeks later, I moved on to my new company. They never were able to replace me and hired a Jr developer, and out of fear of losing other Sr. developers, they let others negotiate terms going forward.
Just fire these losers already. Complain complain complain. I’m good with apple hitting pause on everything till they get a group of workers that don’t melt so easily.
It is very simple. They all escaped the super high real estate in Silicon Valley and now the party is over.
They either have to move back or look elsewhere.
Back in the 90's at IBM in Toronto, we figured the cost of a 8' x 8' cube was about $1100/month (including all the costs: computer, network, electricity, etc, etc). That's about 30 years ago!
Companies that embrace WFH will reap tremendous cost savings in real estate. The delta in team performance is negligible (and, really unique to the dynamics of your teams).
Maybe if Apple actually embraced WFH, they could sell off their other real estate in Cupertino and have all local employees only in their $1B spaceship, when they actually would benefit by being in the office?
Companies that embrace WFH will reap tremendous cost savings in real estate. The delta in team performance is negligible (and, really unique to the dynamics of your teams).
Maybe if Apple actually embraced WFH, they could sell off their other real estate in Cupertino and have all local employees only in their $1B spaceship, when they actually would benefit by being in the office?
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Hahahaha. Do they want some cheese to go with that whine? If they don’t want to work in person, they are free to leave. Only 3 days a week in person is very generous. It could be 5.
Apple employees are reportedly petitioning against the company's plan to require workers to return to in-person work at the office three days a week starting next month.
Earlier this month, Apple informed corporate employees that they must return to the office for three days a week starting early next month. The current plan will require staff to come to the office on Tuesday, Thursday, and a third day of the week that will vary by team.
According to a new report from the Financial Times, a growing number of employees at Apple are reportedly unhappy with the new plan, instead advocating for "location flexible work." The report cites a petition formed by the group "Apple Together" that's making its way around Apple and gaining signatures. Apple has been eager to get employees back to in-person work for some time. Apple's CEO, Tim Cook, has defended Apple's eagerness to return to the office to protect the "in-person collaboration that is so essential to our culture."
The petition says that Apple "should encourage, not prohibit, flexible work" where employees can "feel comfortable to 'think different' together." Apple's current plan to have employees working in-person at the office three days a week starts on September 5.
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I predict that metric “productivity“ will be soon removed from most employee and public disclosure… they don’t want that kind of thing thrown in their faces ever time they order you to return to the office… they want you be be (corporate buzzword) agile and flexible - so do what you are told… the statistics we use to make our determinations and decisions on what we demand from our employees is proprietary and can not be shared…
Everyone makes choices, this entitled threat of quiet quitting is typical behavior these days. Yeah bathrobes and slippers are cheap no doubt.
Even if Apple try and force the issue I cannot see how they can win this unless each and every employee's contract specifically states that their place of work is (enter works address) because if their contract just states they are to be at work or their work station by a given time, WFH employee's can claim that they do this already by being at their point of work (spare room, bedroom, garage, desk in corner of another room) at the time specified in their contract.
The pandemic has shattered the illusion that workers must always commute to their place of work because of it being 'that is how it has always been'. So unless employee contracts specifically state and is specifically worded that their place of work is (insert works address) and they must be at this place ready to start work at what ever time it's states in their contract, the employer is not going to win if they try to take the issue further.
People need to socialise, people need to interact with others is no longer a justifiable excuse for wanting people back into the work place because the pandemic put paid to that.
The pandemic has shattered the illusion that workers must always commute to their place of work because of it being 'that is how it has always been'. So unless employee contracts specifically state and is specifically worded that their place of work is (insert works address) and they must be at this place ready to start work at what ever time it's states in their contract, the employer is not going to win if they try to take the issue further.
People need to socialise, people need to interact with others is no longer a justifiable excuse for wanting people back into the work place because the pandemic put paid to that.
This has nothing to do with COVID, being environmentally conscious, or gas prices for these workers. They just got used to watching Netflix while they actually ‘work’ 10 minutes for every hour they’re supposedly on the clock.
This should be decided by direct supervisors in cooperation with department managers. Executive level individuals should have very little input at this level, can’t determine the needs of the individual areas, or dictate what works best. I hate blanket policies sent down from on high.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Go back to the lumber yard.
If they’re doing their job in 6.4 hrs/day instead of 8 why would anyone care? The job is getting done…
Also no one actually works sn 8 hour day, an old boss of mine used to note you can expect 4.5-5.5 hrs of solid focused work on a good day, on days that arent eaten by meetings. People need time to decompress, eat, take a walk, context switch, etc
Shut up and go to work.
I'm not sure when our culture shifted to employees attempting to dictate to their employer how things are going to go, but it's the mark of a failed society.
There are many people who would love to work for Apple and would gladly show up to that beautiful new campus. Maybe they should get their chance.
I'm not sure when our culture shifted to employees attempting to dictate to their employer how things are going to go, but it's the mark of a failed society.
There are many people who would love to work for Apple and would gladly show up to that beautiful new campus. Maybe they should get their chance.
Yes, because labor never has valid concerns and the companies are always right and good. Damn lazy workers
.Let’s try your phrasing in the context of modern labor laws and see how well it works
“Just let the people who don’t want to be locked in the factory go. Also let the families that don't want their children to work starve. Only the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory has the big insight as to what's necessary to efficiently conduct company operations that meet the company's needs.”
Yeah, that’s the ticket