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Apple Employees Reportedly Petitioning Against Plan to Return to Office 3x Per Week
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The pandemic has shown that most employees do not need to go the office. WFH is more productive (longer work times without the commute). There's nothing to be gained by going back to the office when you don't have to. At the same time, if your job requires on-site presence, then you should be there.
This is a very simple solution that costs nothing to implement and leads to happier, more productive employees. Forcing everybody to go back to the office for the sake of it smacks of insecurity and entitlement on the side of management. I bet there are managers that feel they have to justify their role.
I would sign the petition if I worked there. Kudos to the employees for standing up to management.
This is a very simple solution that costs nothing to implement and leads to happier, more productive employees. Forcing everybody to go back to the office for the sake of it smacks of insecurity and entitlement on the side of management. I bet there are managers that feel they have to justify their role.
I would sign the petition if I worked there. Kudos to the employees for standing up to management.
Yes. I’m in a corporate job and worked in one for 2 years (before Covid happened).
I don’t think anyone has forced people to go back ‘for the sake of it’.
It also does cost money to have people working from home. First there are setup costs, hardware, software, internet costs that the employer will be responsible, office equipment, or the pending law suit if what they have isn’t acceptable. These things are often already taken care of in scale in an on-site office environment.
It’s not all about mental health as these things should be sufficient in a work place anyway. The reverse is also true. How does a manager ensure a remote employee is not suffering mental or medical issues without regular in person contact?
Congratulations, you’re an outlier. And maybe won’t be your entire life if any of those facts change - who knows.
Still, companies know when folks are being more productive and they seem to agree that you are. Apple does not agree the same is true with many of their employees. Otherwise they wouldn’t be picking a fight. Doesn’t change my argument.
You in fact do, it's quite a precarious situation a lot of people have created for themselves.
I suggest Apple to turn the spaceship to a public museum and mall, with all the theaters and department stores there, or even a state park but still keep the secret labs underground. Here you go, we have more ppl in the campus 
My manager is a couple thousand miles away and doesnt work out of the same office I would were I in, that doesnt mean I don’t talk to him daily and have regular sync ups…
As fot the setups costs, what the hell do you think employers do? Machines are provisioned just the same wfh or in office, and most companies just give you the ability to either request gear or get reimbursed up to some amount - or both. As for internet, my employer isnt calling my ISP to take over setting up my home internet connection…
well apple designs and tests the devices. do u think a Logicboard designer team can just do everything from home?
You are probably never heard of it but this is called being able to maneuver in a situation of the complex political game.
At least people can make there own decision in those scenerios as to what is best for them, as in which place they visit and how long they decide to stay. This is not so when in the work place because you are at the mercy of your employer and the rest of the employee's. You have to stay at work for the duration of what ever your working time is, usually 9 to 5, meaning you are bound by your employer to stay in a fixed location for 8hrs. How many employee's are going to turn up sick but not tell anyone because they fear they will not be paid if they call in sick and they need the money. If you sense someone is sick can you leave the work place? no but in the other scenerios you pointed out you can, you can leave when ever you want.
So please, leave off with the snide remarks about people using 'i am scared for my health'.
They are renting a place in Mexico City and they have an address in a US state. They may be filing taxes using their parents address. Or they may be renting out their birdhouse-size condo 90 minutes away from the Silicon Valley for ridiculous amounts of money to someone who is afraid to ask his boss if he can work remotely.
I can’t comment on your relationship with your boss and your state of mental or physical health. I’m saying there are plenty of documented cases of people working in less than reasonable locations in their home. I’m not suggesting it’s for everyone but there are health costs associated with it, and how would a manager be aware? Wait for the litigations to come in.
With regards to cost. My wife works from home, although regularly travels thousands of kilometres for meetings in Canberra & Rural New South Wales (paid for by her department including accomodation). She has a 2 Monitor setup, dock, printer, web cam etc. All paid for by her employer. She also has a desk and equipment in Rural NSW and hot desks it in Canberra. Tell me how that doesn’t increase the costs? And of course our internet is tax deductible in Australia at least.
We can but guess but the article sells the three days plan as Apple’s idea, not as a compromise reached after discussing how to structure work with their employees, hence the petition.
It is about having wisdom to know where to show up, for what cause and not let bad actors to hijack your cause and turn it against you.
Obviously some roles needs to be in person sometimes, but even then you don’t need to be on site at all times.
As an example, a friend of mine works as an engineer designing and testing locks. He works from home full time except for the maybe one day a week when he gets designs made and physically tests them.
We all did this for 2 years no problem, nor is WFH new, I was WFH at a previous job pre-pandemic. Your argument doesnt hold up in the real world
As to cost, my dude a couple thousand for some desktop gear is a rounding error in the cost of an employee…
The argument absolutely holds up. You may be one of many who don’t have problems, but that does not negate the reality of the need for direct contact for very many employees. But you’re entitled to your opinion, even if it is based on blinkered view of this topic. You don’t sound like you’re that naive….
A few thousand dollars of equipment, several more thousand dollars for flights, several more thousand dollars for accomodation over a period of a few months, and this refers to a single person. I guess if you think businesses can just throw that away, feel free to send me a link to your hiring page for your unicorn company.
This entire debate is not in whether Apple is in its rights to force employees to come to the building that Apple spent billions of dollars to construct. The argument is if the employees are in their rights to refuse and insist on the WFH model. It all boils down to who will suffer more if Apple refuses to accommodate. A lot of people working for Apple are very highly qualified, and other tech companies in the same or other geographies would love to hire them and pay them more than Apple does. The Apple employees know this, and the Apple management know this. If Cook wants to insist on everyone coming to the office, he absolutely has a right to do so. And the employees who object and know they can get this arrangement elsewhere will quit. Will Apple benefit from the employees quitting over this? You think Apple will benefit. I think Apple will lose quite a few highly skilled employees and will be negatively affected. In the end, this is a free country, and the employees are showing Apple that they are not highly compensated slaves but rather free human beings. And I’m loving it.