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We are not sure how willing people are to pay the price for the Apple Watch, it hasn't even gone on sale yet so you're just guessing that there will be a big demand.

That said, I'm not expecting it to be a flop. :D

I'd be surprised if Apple didn't do some concept testing for initially establishing prices. At P&G, we would bring people in, show them a piece of paper with the description of the item and ask them what they think it would cost. Maybe give them a range of prices they would be willing to pay. Not everyone immediately chooses the lowest price. They evaluate the value of the product they read about and use their knowledge of what similar items that already exist in the stores cost to base their idea of what the new thing should cost.
 
According to a teardown report from research firm IHS, the components and manufacturing cost of a 16GB iPhone 6 cost Apple $200.10. The device is selling for $649 in the U.S. without a contract with a wireless carrier. That gives the device a profit margin of about 69%.

That is utterly clueless. If a phone, ready to pick up at a factory in China, costs $200, then the difference to retail price isn't profit margin. If you tried to develop, test, advertise, sell, provide support, handle warranty repairs, and so on, where does that money come from?

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what do you think the markup is for shoes.. or a shirt etc.
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... considering things often end up in a sale with 70% off the initial price.
 
If you tried to develop, test, advertise, sell, provide support, handle warranty repairs, and so on, where does that money come from?

It doesn't cost as much as you want everyone to believe. Most if not all processes are already established and are running at a very efficient rates. It maybe adds couple percents to the final price.
 
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There's one major difference between a Rolex and an Apple Watch that immediately comes to mind.

A Rolex won't become obsolete in two years and won't require you to buy another one to keep up with OS upgrades. A Rolex deserves its markup because its built to last lifetimes and its recommended service repair is once every 4-5 years.

I think you might be over complicating things a bit. The value of anything is completely subjective. $1 to you is not the same as $1 to someone living below the poverty line, hence it's pointless trying to rationalise if a product is "worth it's price" , you can only make that call for yourself.

When it come to pricing an item, it's actually quite easy. A company will charge the most that it thinks the market will accept and also maximises total revenue. It may be better to charge more and shift less units. It that maximises profits and hence share holder value, that it the way to go. It that's a 10% mark-up, fine. If that's a 1000% mark-up, so be it.

The bill of materials, R&D, marketing, shipping etc is only an issue if they sum up to more than the market will accept to pay for the product. Fairness, most certainty does not come into it. I can see why this may seem wrong, but you should not get too hung up on it with regards to consumer electronics, these are after all luxury items.
 
It doesn't cost as much as you want everyone to believe. Most if not all processes are already established and are running at a very efficient rates. It maybe adds couple percents to the final price.

Maybe you should find a job at Apple and tell them how to do it. Or maybe even better, you find a job at Samsung, or HTC, or any of the other Android companies that make no or little money, and with your excellent advice they will surely become rich.

What you should not do: Start your own business. I can guarantee you will be going bankrupt.
 
This is generous of apple and I'm sure because of this decision there will be a lot of workers in the store showing off their apple watches when this becomes available to them.
 
This is yet another reason why working for Apple is the dream job for a lot of people. I'm really proud of what Tim Cook and Apple continue to do to reward their loyal employees.
 
There's one major difference between a Rolex and an Apple Watch that immediately comes to mind.

A Rolex won't become obsolete in two years and won't require you to buy another one to keep up with OS upgrades. A Rolex deserves its markup because its built to last lifetimes and its recommended service repair is once every 4-5 years.

Yeah, and a Rolex service is typically more expensive than an Apple Watch costs to buy.

Also, let me know where you can buy a Rolex for $500.

They are two different products, and talking about them like they were the same is just stupid.

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Is it one per employee? Since they would probably abuse it if more.

The letter said for personal use, so if they start buying a bunch and selling them, I'm thinking they would be quickly stopped.

Also the watches have a serial number, would not be hard to track employee purchased watches that suddenly got linked to a non-employee iTunes account.

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According to a teardown report from research firm IHS, the components and manufacturing cost of a 16GB iPhone 6 cost Apple $200.10. The device is selling for $649 in the U.S. without a contract with a wireless carrier. That gives the device a profit margin of about 69%.

You're beginning to embarrass yourself with such a woeful lack of understanding of how business works.

Let's pretend just for a moment that this report you reference is actually right and that this specific phone costs $200.10 and retails for $649.

You talk about profit margin, but you have not considered any of the actual costs of doing business. Hiring employees, rent, utilities, marketing, customer acquisition, R&D, prototyping, testing, losses, law suits, tax, distribution, and so on and so forth.

The iPhone 6 did not arrive from space aliens in the form of blue prints where all Apple had to do was buy the parts and put them together. They had to do extensive and expensive work just to figure out how to make these things. The numbers you are ignoring to make your point run into tens of millions of dollars, and what you are calling a profit margin has to pay back all those costs too.

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So now we're also expected to help Apple build a new gigantic eyesore campus in the middle of the Silicon Valley because they feel like being extravagant?

I can afford Apple Watch and Apple products just fine. Thank you for your concern. I just won't purchase something at a price I don't feel is reasonable.

That doesn't make me poor. It makes me smart with my money. $350 for a smartwatch is not reasonable. $250, on the other hand, would be.

Now imagine, if they dropped the price of the watch by $100, they would have at least one more sale if not many more. I would be willing to bet that people who are on the fence would suddenly become much more interested. Apple would still make a profit, just less of one. Not to mention it would undercut Motorola's less-capable $299 smartwatch, making the Apple Watch look much better by comparison. It would not suddenly be considered a loss, and it would not plunge Apple into a recession.

Your opinions are so ridiculous it's almost not worth responding to them.

First off, the Apple Campus is beautiful, and I don't understand what kind of sane person would call it an 'eyesore' especially since it is not easily visible unless you go looking for it.

Secondly, you have demonstrated a massive ignorance of how business works on this forum, so I think I'll trust the highly educated and intelligent employees of Apple to figure out pricing, margins, and profits.

The fact that you have arbitrarily decided that a smart watch should be $250 is about as meaningless as me deciding I can levitate. It does not make it true or correct.
 
I think Apple's products are very expensive and maybe even overpriced but dang they make quality products. I sold my 2013 Macbook Pro Retina for $900 last week and I paid $1200 in 2013. The person who bought it was former Windows/Galaxy S5 user who gave up on both because of having to reboot every day for security fixes and the S5 battery would only last 4 hours after 6 months of use.

I will gladly "overpay" for Apple products. I sold my iPhone 5C for more than it cost me to get an iPhone 6+ - 64Gig
Since Windows and Android don't actually get security updates "daily", I call BS.
 
Yes... it did occur to me, but after thinking about it, I came to the conclusion that only the dumb ones would take a job at apple solely because they like apple products

We are talking about people who work as shop workers. These are unlikely to be highly educated people with degrees from Harvard. They are qualified and smart enough to get a job in a shop. So why not work in a shop where they actually like the products?

I'm sure Porsche does give a discount to its employees. So go ask to any Porsche dealership, why don't all employees have a Porsche... You'll be surprised.

You believe that Porsche gives employees 50% discount? Yeah right.

You see... not everybody gets off by having toys - specially adults... be it a stupid watch you can take calls in, or an overpriced sports car. Most people can find better priorities when it comes to their money.

Winners don't have to prioritize their money, because they can buy what they want to buy.

You can demean their purchases, and call them toys. But successful people don't have to hem and haw about spending a few hundred bucks.

Seriously? If you put it like that, it sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

If you have a good job, sometimes you do have to go above and beyond, take one for the team, come in at the weekend.

Not if - like so many people - you think it's a useless, overpriced toy. Specially if you own nice watches, or if you value your privacy, or if you ditched your watch once you got a smartphone...

Useless is ridiculous overstatement. I see a value simply in the fact that it tells very accurate time, and when I fly to different time zones, which I do a lot, it will correct itself.

Privacy issues are irrelevant, if you have a smart phone you are as vulnerable as if you buy the Apple Watch. I don't see how the latter would make you any less safe.

I don't care what Apple does with them. I think this will be Apple's first post-Jobs product flop... so we'll see what they do with it in the long run.

We'll see. Swing by in a year and we'll talk.

Personally, I'd be happy if they'd focus more on better software, better computers, better iPhones and iPads for a while, instead of trying to sell us new useless toys.

But that's just me.

Which one are you getting? You seem so passionate about it, that I guess you will spare nothing to get one, right?

Cheers!

Have you seen how rich and successful they are? Do you believe they can only work on one thing at a time?

I'm thinking stainless with the leather loop, probably in blue. Thanks for asking.
 
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No it doesn't.

All Apple employees got one of the first gen iPhone's for FREE when they came out. Does that suggest Apple was able to manufacture them for free? Of course not.

If anything, it shows that the markup is slimmer than the phone since they're only getting a 50% discount instead of a 100% discount.
It's called marketing.
Your devoted employees will preach the word of your products if they are free.

I use to work for Cellular One in the early 90's and we got free cell phones & airtime.
Guess why?
To help market cell phones since in the early 90's, they weren't widespread.

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Did you read what you wrote? Because they are offering employees a discount their sales numbers are lower than expectations...... hmmmm

+70K sold is not a bad start... ;)
 
Clearly they want as high adoption from their employees as possible without having to give them away. Smart move/marketing
 
Your opinions are so ridiculous it's almost not worth responding to them.

Yet you continue to.

Funny that.

I think you just enjoy talking down to people and pretending like you're teaching someone something. Which actually says more about you than it does about me.
 
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They just have to wait 6 months to be able to buy it on the EPP website. Apple knows its die-hard employees will buy it full price.
 
Yeah, and a Rolex service is typically more expensive than an Apple Watch costs to buy.

Also, let me know where you can buy a Rolex for $500.

They are two different products, and talking about them like they were the same is just stupid.

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The letter said for personal use, so if they start buying a bunch and selling them, I'm thinking they would be quickly stopped.

Also the watches have a serial number, would not be hard to track employee purchased watches that suddenly got linked to a non-employee iTunes account.

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You're beginning to embarrass yourself with such a woeful lack of understanding of how business works.

Let's pretend just for a moment that this report you reference is actually right and that this specific phone costs $200.10 and retails for $649.

You talk about profit margin, but you have not considered any of the actual costs of doing business. Hiring employees, rent, utilities, marketing, customer acquisition, R&D, prototyping, testing, losses, law suits, tax, distribution, and so on and so forth.

The iPhone 6 did not arrive from space aliens in the form of blue prints where all Apple had to do was buy the parts and put them together. They had to do extensive and expensive work just to figure out how to make these things. The numbers you are ignoring to make your point run into tens of millions of dollars, and what you are calling a profit margin has to pay back all those costs too.

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Your opinions are so ridiculous it's almost not worth responding to them.

First off, the Apple Campus is beautiful, and I don't understand what kind of sane person would call it an 'eyesore' especially since it is not easily visible unless you go looking for it.

Secondly, you have demonstrated a massive ignorance of how business works on this forum, so I think I'll trust the highly educated and intelligent employees of Apple to figure out pricing, margins, and profits.

The fact that you have arbitrarily decided that a smart watch should be $250 is about as meaningless as me deciding I can levitate. It does not make it true or correct.

I gave up on him long ago.
 
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