Safari 8 refuses to load certain webpages for me, or takes literally minutes. Chrome can load the same page with the same DNS settings in seconds.
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Apple Encouraging Chrome and Firefox Users to Try Safari After Installing Yosemite
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Because Google and Mozilla totally don't have their own OS
And who really uses those? A dozen Chromebook users and zero Firefox OS users.
Crashing, freezing, no faster and seems actually slower.... on 3 different Macs. Yeah no thanks, faster and more stable and efficient my a$$. Sticking to Chrome like I have all these years plus all my bookmarks are setup and integrated exactly how I want and using Chrome on my phone, tablet, and other computers everythings sync'd how I want. Never cared for Safari bookmark handling. Chrome also handles tabbing much better, I've got multiple windows open with pry 10+ tabs each, no issues, can't say the same when I've used Safari even in the past doing that with one browser open.
Don't really use Firefox anyway.
Don't really use Firefox anyway.
While Chrome wasn't the on,y browser to offer innovations, I do agree that it was tipping point in design and functionality. Sadly, Chrome isn't what it was. When I installed Chrome 6 on Windows Vista it was light, fast, and dare I say snappy.
Fast forward to version 39 (!?) and it isn't the same. It doesn't feel as lean and feels bloated. Also, the massive speed difference has greatly diminishes.
Honestly, to me, Safari feels like the leanest browser now.
EDIT: the one thing that Chrome does that gives it the Allyson of speed is that it prefetches search results, not just sites like Safari. Googling a term or question provides instantaneous results whereas Safari has to load when you press enter.
Go into the Advamced tab in Safari preferences and enable the Developer menu bar item. When you're on a page click the Develope menu and there is an open in option that shows other installed browsers.
Not when it comes to the address bar. By default it spits out a sheet of bookmarks that's annoying (can be disabled in the preferences) and the jump between centered adress and left align when clicked on is also annoying. I feel like Apple added bloat and visual effects that does not help the user.
Try Safari? I'm actually considering ditching it after using the newly neutered search/url field for a couple of weeks. Apple's one size and you WILL like it approach is really starting to get to me lately.
Why do they think it's a good idea to go iOS on it, and remove the title bar? I have a 1680x1050 screen on this laptop. It doesn't benefit me in a single way.
Why is the search/url field so tiny? I want it as wide as possible.
Why don't they use the entire search field to display url's and search queries? There's no need to leave space on the left. It's cramped as hell as it is.
And what's most annoying to me --and this has been implemented at some point in the past couple of years, probably to 'keep up' with other browsers-- why does a click in the search field select all text? I can type cmd-L for that. If I want to insert the cursor, I have to click twice.
But go ahead Apple, just keep dumbing **** down, without options. We're all idiots after all.
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Yep, that's another gem. You can't help but wonder how that ever got okayed. I assume Apple thinks favicons detract from their slick design or something.
Why do they think it's a good idea to go iOS on it, and remove the title bar? I have a 1680x1050 screen on this laptop. It doesn't benefit me in a single way.
Why is the search/url field so tiny? I want it as wide as possible.
Why don't they use the entire search field to display url's and search queries? There's no need to leave space on the left. It's cramped as hell as it is.
And what's most annoying to me --and this has been implemented at some point in the past couple of years, probably to 'keep up' with other browsers-- why does a click in the search field select all text? I can type cmd-L for that. If I want to insert the cursor, I have to click twice.
But go ahead Apple, just keep dumbing **** down, without options. We're all idiots after all.
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Yep, that's another gem. You can't help but wonder how that ever got okayed. I assume Apple thinks favicons detract from their slick design or something.
Because 99.9% of the time people clicking in that area are starting to type a new url or more likely, brand new search terms. Very few people would be hand-modifying an existing url. They made it more convenient for the vast majority of users, sorry. That's how product development works.
I think it's great they combined the title of the page and the url and search boxes all in one space. I rarely need to see/use them simultaneously so combining them to save space and put more content in the visible area of the screen makes perfect sense to me. You are complaining about the size of the search area but it would be smaller if the url and search boxes were separate in the header. And I assume the thinking behind centered and left-aligned is to provide a visual clue whether the content in that space is currently a page title or a url. Not all web designers put proper page titles in the code so a page title can look just like a url but not editable. Page titles have always been centered and urls have always been left-aligned. I'm sure you can understand why it wouldn't be a good idea to break that paradigm for no good reason.
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Thanks for making me look at that "sheet of bookmarks" you call annoying. I never really analyzed what was in it before and now I know I can get rid of my row of favorites. MORE page content visible. YAY!
Everyone's entitled to their opinions but MY opinion is that Safari is a well-designed gui that uses space efficiently for the common tasks most people do.
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Safari takes more than 1 click to open new tab.
Safari does not play YouTube automatically when open in back ground.
Safari does not let u choose download folder.
Sometimes, safari have a hard time loading my page, which chrome nv had such issues with, especially with my sch website.
Safari reloads my page more easily than chrome.
Incognito mode is more troublesome to use.
Safari zooms nicer than chrome though.
Safari also support some rare codec better. Like wmv and silver light?
Safari does not play YouTube automatically when open in back ground.
Safari does not let u choose download folder.
Sometimes, safari have a hard time loading my page, which chrome nv had such issues with, especially with my sch website.
Safari reloads my page more easily than chrome.
Incognito mode is more troublesome to use.
Safari zooms nicer than chrome though.
Safari also support some rare codec better. Like wmv and silver light?
That's the thing though; it doesn't do it just with url's, editing a search requires two clicks as well. I don't know about others, but editing a search is something I do several times a day. I understand they're catering to the 99.9% that does everything by clicking instead of using the much faster keyboard, but it can't cost too many development dollars to give us a checkbox in Safari's settings, can it?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The search/url field doesn't display page titles. Only Search queries and url's, and they're always centered when not selected. Or if they're longer than the search field itself, there's a space on the left for some unfathomable reason.
But to clarify, I just have the back/ forward buttons and the search field up there. My problem is that half of the top bar consists of blank wasted space that could have been used to show the rest of a long url. And that's on the 11" MBA that I'm typing this on right now. On my 15" MBP it looks even more ridiculous.
Bottomline: they save 20 pixels of space but take away a lot of functionality. Typical.
Sorry, you're right. It doesn't show page titles, just the main/sub domains, which is all most people care about, not the "&searchterm var="127" etc." stuff.
Most of the time when I tweak a search I'm in the Google results and I just tweak the terms in the Google search box, not the Safari box. But still, is clicking again in the Safari box to deselect the original search term and then make your tweaks THAT onerous? Does your life depend on that extra split second to click twice instead of once? I really don't see the issue.
That space on the left you talk about. Is it the space where the lock icon appears for secure sites or the search magnifying glass icon is or where the favicon is when the full url is shown or the icon for reader view on some sites? Otherwise, I don't know what you are seeing because I never see a blank space on the left unless it's on the centered url view and the text is never long enough to fill that space.
I've gotten used to the new Safari and don't have any trouble using it. I think overall it's easier/faster for me to use. I guess I adapt better than some people.
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One thing that really made me turn away from FireFox as my backup browser was it's horrible, overly-rounded Chrome knock off design. I wish I could make it look it did before version 29-ish.
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I'm glad Chrome exists because it comes with flash bundled, which is really innovative. I don't have flash install on my OS X system; it just adds a security vulnerability and is unnecessary for 99% of what I do. With Click-to-PLugin I get HTML 5 content on almost every site I visit. On the occasion that I need flash (mainly school-related websites) chrome works perfectly.
I don't have the deep anti-google mindset of many here, but I don't like how intrusive they are. The main reason I don't use Chrome are:
- Safari is generally much smoother
- Chrome causes weird graphical bugs (swiping between desktops randomly lags when Chrome is open).
- Lack of iOS integration
- Lack of Reading List - I use this everyday and having a native function beats a third party service.
- Safari is one of the last browsers dedicated to being a browser. Chrome tries too hard to be your whole world. It's almost a mini OS! I don't need it's own notification and offline web apps. I know many people love it and that's great, but I just want a browser! I have a native system and native apps.
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I'm glad Chrome exists because it comes with flash bundled, which is really innovative. I don't have flash install on my OS X system; it just adds a security vulnerability and is unnecessary for 99% of what I do. With Click-to-PLugin I get HTML 5 content on almost every site I visit. On the occasion that I need flash (mainly school-related websites) chrome works perfectly.
I don't have the deep anti-google mindset of many here, but I don't like how intrusive they are. The main reason I don't use Chrome are:
- Safari is generally much smoother
- Chrome causes weird graphical bugs (swiping between desktops randomly lags when Chrome is open).
- Lack of iOS integration
- Lack of Reading List - I use this everyday and having a native function beats a third party service.
- Safari is one of the last browsers dedicated to being a browser. Chrome tries too hard to be your whole world. It's almost a mini OS!
I don't need it's own notification and offline web apps. I know many people love it and that's great, but I just want a browser! I have a native system and native apps.
Reason why i prefer Firefox, and over above Chrome and Safari, mainly is because Firefox starts in private browsing mode.... You don't need to first launch, then switch to (which I've forgot, more than four times already).
However, I do use Chrome for Flash.
(oh ya, and the pesky "Search with Google" in context menu of Mail, which must be hard-coded to Safari.)
However, I do use Chrome for Flash.
(oh ya, and the pesky "Search with Google" in context menu of Mail, which must be hard-coded to Safari.
)I've been switching between Safari and Chrome for the past few years. I REALLY want to use Safari, but there's one thing that keeps me coming back to Chrome.
When you click on a link that will automatically open in a new window, Safari takes so much more time than Chrome to open that window... If I right click and choose "Open in new window" it does that as fast as Chrome. The problem is if I left-click. Chrome immediately recognizes the need for a new window, and does that instantly. Safari, on the other hand, takes more than 1 second to open that new window, and that's pretty annoying.
If you want, you can try it at livescore.com for example. Just click one of the scores, and you will see what I'm talking about. Safari takes "forever" to open the new window...
BTW, is there any solution for this? It's not the 'Shared Links" that are causing the delay, so I can't see what else could be the problem. I've tried disabling all extensions, with no effect whatsoever.
Thanks!
When you click on a link that will automatically open in a new window, Safari takes so much more time than Chrome to open that window... If I right click and choose "Open in new window" it does that as fast as Chrome. The problem is if I left-click. Chrome immediately recognizes the need for a new window, and does that instantly. Safari, on the other hand, takes more than 1 second to open that new window, and that's pretty annoying.
If you want, you can try it at livescore.com for example. Just click one of the scores, and you will see what I'm talking about. Safari takes "forever" to open the new window...
BTW, is there any solution for this? It's not the 'Shared Links" that are causing the delay, so I can't see what else could be the problem. I've tried disabling all extensions, with no effect whatsoever.
Thanks!
I had gone to Chrome but switched back after Yosemite and the latest Safari.
It is faster and more efficient. There are still some issues with YouTube but other than that the new Safari has improved.
It is faster and more efficient. There are still some issues with YouTube but other than that the new Safari has improved.
I've been switching between Safari and Chrome for the past few years. I REALLY want to use Safari, but there's one thing that keeps me coming back to Chrome.
When you click on a link that will automatically open in a new window, Safari takes so much more time than Chrome to open that window... If I right click and choose "Open in new window" it does that as fast as Chrome. The problem is if I left-click. Chrome immediately recognizes the need for a new window, and does that instantly. Safari, on the other hand, takes more than 1 second to open that new window, and that's pretty annoying.
If you want, you can try it at livescore.com for example. Just click one of the scores, and you will see what I'm talking about. Safari takes "forever" to open the new window...
BTW, is there any solution for this? It's not the 'Shared Links" that are causing the delay, so I can't see what else could be the problem. I've tried disabling all extensions, with no effect whatsoever.
Thanks!
First off, I use safari almost exclusively. I just tried it in the latest Chrome beta channel and Safari 8.0.2 on Yosemite. There is a pretty substantial difference I will admit. Chrome opens and loads the score window instantly without really any noticeable delay. Safari, on the other hand, took nearly 4 seconds to open and load the scores. When I right click the link in Safari and choose "open in new window" the score window opens and loads instantly (same with "open in new tab"). This leads me to believe that the slowdown issue in Safari is with the browser deciding whether it should open a new tab or window when you just click the link. Even using the "command + option + click" keyboard shortcut to open the link in a new window is slow. Only when you right click and choose the new window option is it faster. Strange man, strange.
EDIT: I just messed around with the Safari preferences and the way it opens links by default. It made absolutely no difference.
Disabling the Try Safari notifications
I did some digging around and found out how to disable these notification promotions as well as Safaris daily nagging about being the default browser. If anyones interested in disabling them in an enterprise/school/library setup, for example.
I did some digging around and found out how to disable these notification promotions as well as Safaris daily nagging about being the default browser. If anyones interested in disabling them in an enterprise/school/library setup, for example.