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Apple Engineers Working Overtime on iOS 7's 'DeForstallization'
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I'd say I really hope they redesign Game Centre cos it's aweful, but I don't have any use for it anyway, so actually it doesn't matter. Letting us hide unwanted default apps would be better (and change default apps such as maps and email).
realistic design
1. Actually I like the 'realistic' design very much. Not because it's pretty (it is, IMHO) but because it instantly shows the purpose of an app. If a notebook looks like a notebook you know you're in a notebook
2. I hope Apple doesn't think a modern OS means just a new design.
1. Actually I like the 'realistic' design very much. Not because it's pretty (it is, IMHO) but because it instantly shows the purpose of an app. If a notebook looks like a notebook you know you're in a notebook
2. I hope Apple doesn't think a modern OS means just a new design.
Yes hire more engineers so every six years , when they need them, they are available.
Genius business idea
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What is interesting is that nobody knows what is doing Forstall right now.
Despite what everybody is saying about him, he is very talented. Don't forget that without him, iPhone would run linux/android crap style OS.
He this guy is hired by Google or Microsoft, it could hurt Apple.
Despite what everybody is saying about him, he is very talented. Don't forget that without him, iPhone would run linux/android crap style OS.
He this guy is hired by Google or Microsoft, it could hurt Apple.
Lol first stop posting this horrible request in here.
Second Ive is a designer and would have nothing to do with your bad idea.
I'm looking forward to the release.
It could really do with a fresh lick of paint, and to have an easier way of turning off wi-fi or replying to a text, or just checking the weather, it'd be great.
If Siri was as fast as Google Now, I'd also be happy.
If iOS 7 is as close to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JdW4qNeFkBk
I'd be content.
It could really do with a fresh lick of paint, and to have an easier way of turning off wi-fi or replying to a text, or just checking the weather, it'd be great.
If Siri was as fast as Google Now, I'd also be happy.
If iOS 7 is as close to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JdW4qNeFkBk
I'd be content.
So you think Ive should manage the developers program and redesign the AppStore? You think the AppStore is the biggest issue?
Just pointing something out: It is possible for one person to like something that someone else doesn't....
Voice Search on Google is awful. Not once have I gotten it to work, even after trying to speak the same command repeatedly. On the contrast, Siri gets it right each time.
The one gesture I *would* like to see is the swipe-left-or-right-to-move-one-character-back gesture that Twitterrific added.
After jailbreaking for over 4 years now, iOS is already bland and boring, this sounds like they are going to make it even more so. Although I can't imagine Ive making it worse, gotta remember these are just rumors spread by the media, and in the past 99% of the rumors regarding Apple were totally wrong. So hopefully he's updating it to be more modern, and less bland.
However, I think everyone is getting too caught up in this, iOS needs far more than just a fresh coat of paint, it needs many many improvements in how the OS operates. We still do not have quick reply for text messages, actionable notifications, quick settings toggles, status bar notification icons, etc, etc. I believe it needs all those and more just to catch up to the competition, and no matter what anybody says, third party widgets are sorely needed.
The artistic side of me probably disagrees with your assessment of it being pretty, but the usability side of me absolutely agrees with your point about it making it obvious what "app you're in". An appreciation for skeumorphism occurred to me after switching to Mac OS X (from Windows) and needing to use the three-finger swipe-up to see all of my open apps and switch between them. In their small-to-medium sized view, it was obvious what was what with the skeumorphic-themed apps, but for other "boring" apps, a lot of them looked alike. This is a definite usability issue.1. Actually I like the 'realistic' design very much. Not because it's pretty (it is, IMHO) but because it instantly shows the purpose of an app. If a notebook looks like a notebook you know you're in a notebook
2. I hope Apple doesn't think a modern OS means just a new design.
On the iOS, though, where you only really using one app at a time, the equivalent of the three-finger swipe-up might be the double-click on the home button. There, you'll get an icon-view of your "running" apps, and those will still remain "skeumorphic", so that's probably good enough.
If it ain't broke, then don't fix it
The De-Forstallization of iOS7 is not going to make it more "innovative." I prefer that they spend their time on coming up with new innovative features in their OS.
Skeuomorphic elements in iOS6 work fine, so why remove them? That doesn't make consumers go, "Oh wow, it's so much better!"
Try new features like a better way to switch between applications instead of double-clicking the home button, something nice like Google Now that is on Android devices, a better Siri, etc.
Improve the OS without taking away from its intuitiveness! Sadly, it seems as though Apple has stopped innovating and may be on the way down if they don't do anything different.
The De-Forstallization of iOS7 is not going to make it more "innovative." I prefer that they spend their time on coming up with new innovative features in their OS.
Skeuomorphic elements in iOS6 work fine, so why remove them? That doesn't make consumers go, "Oh wow, it's so much better!"
Try new features like a better way to switch between applications instead of double-clicking the home button, something nice like Google Now that is on Android devices, a better Siri, etc.
Improve the OS without taking away from its intuitiveness! Sadly, it seems as though Apple has stopped innovating and may be on the way down if they don't do anything different.
Couple things.
What's funny is people who think they know Forstall don't. People think Forstall was just one of the people that was just in the light and really didn't do any development. As in he wasn't a programmer or anything. You're right Forstall does have talent and is very smart. He does have a Masters in Computer Science from Stanford.
Though if he was/is hired by Microsoft or Google then good for them. Both of those companies have people that are just as good or as good as what Apple has. Unless he is a big time business person, one person won't kill one company or anything. It'd be great for him and his family to be hired by a great company. But he is very smart and has a ton of skills, just about any company would love to have him.
Interesting Note: If I remember right, Forstalls brother works at Microsoft.
This is off topic though really. Sorry.
Apple doesn't change their UI, they're obviously not innovating.
Apple changes their UI, and obviously they're focusing on something that doesn't matter.
Apple can't win, can they?
Apple changes their UI, and obviously they're focusing on something that doesn't matter.
Apple can't win, can they?
1. No one said they were giving 'all hands', perhaps it's only like 5 people
2. Mac OS could be as finished as it can be for them until some beta testing by another department is done so why not have them earn their pay checks helping another project (these might be folks assigned to working on 10.8 not 10.9 for example)
3. Hardware engineers not the same as software.
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No it doesn't. We have no idea if they have done this or the reasons. But lack of staff may not be the reason
Looking at the Apple hiring page tells me they want more people. Sadly, people apparently aren't applying.
We are not talking about other companies, we are talking about Apple specifically, and they, so far as I am aware, did it once before with Leopard. The result there was Leopard did not deliver all the announced features. So, it doesn't appear to be something that hasn't been done often at Apple. If you have evidence to the contrary present it.
We don't know what affect it'll have on OS X, you are right about that. But if 10.9 turns out to be less than stellar, at least so far as we can reasonably expect it to improve within a year, then it goes to reason, unless there is evidence to the contrary, that moving away some of the team to help prepare iOS 7 did have an adverse impact.
You make a nice long post explaining how it takes time to hire and all, which is fine, but as I've said there are a lot of poorly working features that have been very long-standing ones. There has been sufficient time to make the necessary hires to get them sorted out. We've known MobileMe was a disaster for a long time, and though iCloud is a little better, there still are some glaring issues.
Bottom line, all people are saying is we expect Apple to get a lot of this stuff right. If UI changes is impeding progress then we are warranted in complaining and expressing our desires for Apple to find a solution, even if that means being more aggressive in its hirings of additional employes.
That is good news.
I never understood why contacts on ipad in portrait mode only utilises a tiny bit of the screen just so that it can look like an address book.
Also for the once in my life I used passbook. When I deleted a ticket it l had some sort of crazy shredding animation... Why?
I never understood why contacts on ipad in portrait mode only utilises a tiny bit of the screen just so that it can look like an address book.
Also for the once in my life I used passbook. When I deleted a ticket it l had some sort of crazy shredding animation... Why?
That's great and all. But the bottom line is none of this matters to the customer. Either Apple puts up and performs or it doesn't. Apple can sort out its management mess on its own, but at the end of the day if features only work in a half-arsed way, if there are plenty of serious bugs/quirks, and if things don't improve then I don't think it's unreasonable to turn a blind eye to these excuses and just say, figure it out or step aside.
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Or don't hire anyone, keep releasing half working features, alienating your serious customer base and watch that "cult" and "fanboy" enthusiasm disappear. Then tell me how money you will bring it. "But it has a new face lift" won't get you very far.
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No one is saying that. We are saying change the UI as much as you like provided you first make sure everything under the hood "just works". Then slap your new UI on top. Hopefully that is what is going on with iOS 7 and OS X 10.9, but the last couple of iterations were more about adding new gimmicks rather than getting core features to work flawlessly. The priorities were out of wack and so many of us are expressing concern given what we are now hearing.
The skeuomorphism was there for a good reason in 2007: the iPhone was a totally new paradigm. People had never used such touch screen device. However in 2013 when everybody is already using iOS or iOS-like platforms, the software design can now move to a more functionally focused one. However the bottom line is that a button cannot be totally flat. It has to be like a button - otherwise how can I distinguish between a label and a button?
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at least it won't look like a 6 year old made it using ppt for the first time.
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I remember my old compaq w/ an old win (I think it was when it had less than Win 95) had folders arranged like a filing cabinet, I loved that! In this day we don't see that anymore because is not needed so I can definitely relate to what you are saying!