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Quite a feat by Apple! But I wonder how many folks are going to buy those first versions of the new machines with Apple Silicon?
Way more people than you think. Just try and step out of the forum bubble for a second and recognize that NORMAL customers don't know about Apple silicon or ARM-based Macs or what any of that means. They just need a new Mac and buy one. Think about the products that you buy that you don't frequent forums about.
 
As much as i would love to get rid of this 2016 Macbook Pro, which has been riddled with problems involving the screen and the keyboard, I will wait for a redesign.

Thankfully, both issues I have had were covered using the respective Apple Repair Programs.
 
As much as i would love to get rid of this 2016 Macbook Pro, which has been riddled with problems involving the screen and the keyboard, I will wait for a redesign.

Thankfully, both issues I have had were covered using the respective Apple Repair Programs.
I think the design of the 16" was the redesign. You'll be waiting another 3 years. Besides it's a laptop. What type of design changes do you really need?
 
What issues do you have with your MBP16? I have one, and am curious.
I love my 16", but I've had numerous times where it stops recognizing its own internal speakers, and I have to reset PRAM just to get my audio back. Other than that, though, it's been delightful for me.
 
I think the design of the 16" was the redesign. You'll be waiting another 3 years. Besides it's a laptop. What type of design changes do you really need?
I was talking about the 2016 Macbook pro, not the 16 inch. I would like smaller bezels in a redesign. I will go for the 2021 version, most likely.
 
Seems like a lot of what is on the A14 would be wasted inside a MacBook, the neural engine and AI/ISP accelerators... no need for them in a laptop. Why not just add more CPU and GPU cores = better laptop/desktop chip?
I expect that you are going to be surprised about what can be done with those parts of the AS design. The A 14 neural engine can do 11 trillion transactions per second.Lots of things that you could do with that.
 
Why would it? Look around with windows notebooks, the ultraportables are the most expensive ones, not the cheapest. The air is the entry level mac, similar sizes, but two totally different markets.
The previous 12” MacBook was priced about the same as the 13” MBP, and a fair chunk of the cost was expensive (yet low performance) Intel Y-class CPUs.

When you look at the tech, there’s no reason a 12” Air couldn’t be priced about the same as a 13” Air. Retina display, ASi CPU/GPU, RAM, SSD; there’s nothing that drives up the cost of a 12” Air more than a 13”, except a (presumably) lower quantity of displays.

Apple could probably price a 12” Air the same as a 13” Air. Or they could make a 12” MBP and price it about same as a 13” (soon to be 14”) MBP. So you’d have 12/14/16” MBP and 13” MBA. I’d take a 12” Air or Pro 🙂

The Windows laptop market isn’t particularly relevant to Apple, as a good chunk of that market is cheap, disposable crap. Apple only targets the high end; 13” MBP is only a few hundred more than the Air as it is.
 
I was talking about the 2016 Macbook pro, not the 16 inch. I would like smaller bezels in a redesign. I will go for the 2021 version, most likely.
You're not following me. The 16" IS the successor to the 2016 15". So unless you were referring to the 13" (which you never specified) then the 16" is the one the latest smaller Macs was modeled from.
 
On the other hand, Apple probably has a very shrewd understanding of how long it'll take them to have enough horsepower to replace the Mac Pro.
On the other hand, it makes sense to give a timeline like 2 years. A timeline like 7 months could potentially kill their sales for half a year and its better to have margin to err.
 
just out of curiosity for any that have experience with the refurb site... Does apple lower the prices on the refurbs at all when the new models all come out? wouldn't mind a 2019 16 w/ 64ram 2-4 (poss 8TB SSD) 5600....
 
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just out of curiosity for any that have experience with the refurb site... Does apple lower the prices on the refurbs at all when the new models all come out? wouldn't mind a 2019 16 w/ 64ram 2-4 (poss 8TB SSD) 5600....

No. Refurbs stay at their price pretty much indefinitely, take a look at some of the older machines that are posted.
 
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You're not following me. The 16" IS the successor to the 2016 15". So unless you were referring to the 13" (which you never specified) then the 16" is the one the latest smaller Macs was modeled from.
I think what he's suggesting is that he's holding off for a case redesign. The current case, for the most part, has been around for quite a while now. The original article states that there's a redesign in the works but not until next year.

I'll also hold off for this, if anything just for the feeling of something new.
 
If there's no redesign - I hope there's a non-trackbar offering... ala 13" Air?
I'm on the opposite side of the fence as you. I actually hope ALL the future MacBooks have the TouchBar so it makes for a seamless experience if you have a environment of mixed Mac types.
 
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don’t worry brother 16inch to ARM very unlikely. I had to return mine in the end. Are you having those same KP on reboot issues I had?




your views are predicated on information you cannot possibly have.
John! Nah mine was fine, but bear in mind that was my 15" which I sold in Italy about 5 months ago. My boss bought me the 16" and Ive been using it ever since.
 
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I'm curious to see what the graphics performance will be like for the air and the 13 inch. The 16 inch will probably continue to use discrete graphics from AMD but the other two machines have used the intel Iris architecture that is embedded in the CPU up until now. Does that mean apple developed it's own graphics solution in house?
Apple already said the graphics/CPU will be in the architecture of the A14 processor.
 
Way more people than you think. Just try and step out of the forum bubble for a second and recognize that NORMAL customers don't know about Apple silicon or ARM-based Macs or what any of that means. They just need a new Mac and buy one. Think about the products that you buy that you don't frequent forums about.
You'd be surprised how many people know about these, and have been holding off. I personally know a few who are by no means tech savvy. You've got to remember how the average person consumes news these days - online, and the biggest companies in the world definitely get news headlines when they're making big moves. Don't kid yourself, even my 85 year old dad had heard about Apple silicon! That being said, when people need a new Mac to continue working, they will buy regardless of what might be coming down the pipe.
 
Apple should start selling fishing tackle, they already use all of the hooks. I purchased the 2020 MacBook Pro 13 inch with 16Gb RAM and 512 Gb Storage from BB in Jul or Aug; the battery lasted 4-5 hours (two full charges), it was slow and very hot, so I returned it. I'm waiting on the A14 version and purchased a 14" HP Chromebook as a stop gap (equally as fast as the 2020 MB Pro 13 I had for three days. Given that Ming-Chi Kuo has said the 2021 14.1 and 16" models will be complete redesigns, I'll be pissed if I drop $2k this year and Apple drops two new redesigns early next year. If this years 13.1 Apple Silicone model does not have thinner bezels, I'll continue to wait. It's late 2020 and MacBooks (not the 16") still have 1/2 bezels. I'm not sure if Apple has given up, they no longer care because they know we will buy them, or they have fallen into 5th or 6th place when it comes to laptop innovation?
HP, Dell, Lenovo, Asus, (the new) Acer, Xiaomi, Huawei all currently have more productive, innovative, and redesigned laptops that Apple does not yet touch. Acer just released 2 laptops with the 11th gen Tiger Lake CPU's with amazing battery life. My cheap HP Chromebook gets almost three days on a charge.

For me, this new Apple silicone lineup has to have some changes or I have two choices; 1. Wait until next year's redesign. 2. Go get a HP Spectre X-360 with the infinity edge, all day + battery, and if the rumors are correct by the end of November their answer to the Intel 11th gen Tiger Lake will be for sale. I have a loaded Mac mini, an iPhone 11, and to keep it all in the family I want the new laptop.
 


Next week's Apple event will see Apple introduce three new Macs with Apple Silicon processors, including a 13-inch MacBook Pro, a 16-inch MacBook Pro, and a 13-inch MacBook Air.

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The updated info on which Macs we can expect to see at the event comes direct from Bloomberg, with sources listed as "people familiar with the matter."

Aside from the transition to Apple Silicon chips, the new Macs will not feature significant design changes, with Apple continuing to use the same MacBook form factor. Rumors suggest Apple is working on redesigned versions of the MacBook Pro that will come in 14.1 and 16.1-inch sizes with mini-LED displays, but those machines will not be ready until 2021.

Apple's new Macs will feature 5-nanometer chips that are based on the A14 in the iPhone 12 models, bringing power efficiency and performance improvements. Apple plans to transition the entire Mac lineup to Apple Silicon, but the process will take around two years.

While the notebooks will be the first to get refreshed, Apple is working on a redesigned iMac with an Apple Silicon chip and a new, smaller Mac Pro model.

Apple's event is set to kick off on Tuesday, November 10 at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time. Apple will live stream the event, and we'll also have coverage here at MacRumors.com and the MacRumorsLive Twitter.

Article Link: Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips
I wish they add 2 X USB 3.0 ports not just USB-C ports. There are people who have USB 2.0/3.0 Devices which require USB 3.0 Ports So they connect their USB 2.0/3.0 devices now people have to buy USB-C hub with USB 3.0 Ports. Some USB-C hubs can slow down your computer and internet performance
 
BLOOMBERG UPDATE: clarifies that 16 inch MBP may NOT be debuted next week after all:

“Apple and overseas suppliers are ramping up production of three Mac laptops with Apple processors: new 13-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros and a new 13-inch MacBook Air, according to people familiar with the matter. Foxconn, known also as Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., is assembling the two smaller laptops, while Quanta Computer Inc. is building the larger MacBook Pro. The smaller models are further ahead in production and at least those two laptops will be shown at next week’s event. Beyond the processor switch, the devices won’t have significant design changes.”
 
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