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Apple Executive Greg Joswiak Dismisses Planned Obsolescence as 'Craziest Thinking in the World'
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I’m still baffled how iOS 11 got a 95% satisfaction rate. IOS 11 was SO BAD, it literally drove people I know to Android. It would have been heart warming to at least have a modicum of an apology from Craig, whereas Forstall was “resigned” for far less insult to users with the Google Maps.
Where was the satisfaction survey conducted anyway, inside Apple Campus?
Where was the satisfaction survey conducted anyway, inside Apple Campus?
I dont know about the generalization “most people”. I don’t claim it’s as fast as the latest iPad. I only claim it’s usable for me.
And what were these huge changes?
You can do virtually 99% on windows xp that you can do on windows 10. By "do" I mean run. You can't "do" authentication" or "gaming mode".
I'm not discussing Macs, are you?
Apple still sell the previous 15 inch MacBook Pro which has a selection of 'useful' ports, a real escape key and old style direction buttons/non butterfly keyboard.
Fist 99% is a just a random number you pulled from who knows where. And you first said: There is virtually nothing windows 10 can do that windows xp can’t
Second It still doesn't mean W10 is just a sikinned version of XP.
Anyway the link I provided shows just how wrong this claim is.
I honestly don't care about Macs, it was just a simple question I knew you would avoid because of how disingenuous you are regarding Windows. So you only proved my point by not answering that question.
Understood but I'm not willing to fork cash over to Apple for a prior generation machine. The message they're currently sending me is that they don't care about my specific use case. Again, that's fine. What's true for me isn't necessarily true for others. I'm still perfectly happy to recommend MacBook Pros to folks who won't experience the same issues that I do.
Well you are right. I can't prove that windows 10 is a reskinned version of xp, but you can't prove it isn't. There can only be opinions, and that is my opinion, since as far as useful work, one could get the same done on both platforms.
As far as the link goes, it doesn't address the codebase and how much of legacy code still exists. Oh, don't get me wrong, hoping Microsoft did advance their software in the 14 years since windows xp has been been released.
As far as the Macs, I get it. A deflection.
I never understood why Apple still sells older hardware at the prices they do. Their discounts aren’t really deep enough that I would consider buying something 3 years old for just a $100 off. Tech moves fast and if you are going to buy old hardware I think it should come with a 50% price reduction imo.
I stopped buying Apple computers several years ago. Apple for me consist of an iPad, iPhone, and AirPods only these days.
I stopped buying Apple computers several years ago. Apple for me consist of an iPad, iPhone, and AirPods only these days.
I did prove W10 is not a skinned version of XP.
The link I provided shows a diagram of the converged Kernel approach and how Windows Core changed significantly for W10 to become a thing. The fact that legacy code still exits in W10 is irrelevant and it certainly doesn't make W10 a skinned version of XP. Windows has always been backwards compatible with older software and hardware so this is the logical an objective reason why Microsoft keeps some degree of legacy code in newer Windows version but again this doesn't make the newer version of Windows skinned versions of what was many years before them, it's absolute nonsense to claim such a thing.
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In my mind that architecture diagram doesn’t really prove/disprove the point at hand.
That legacy code exists in w10 is very much the point.
Anyway, it’s been a bit of (off-topic) fun. See you at these parts for the next go-around seeing as how there isn’t anything new to be added.
I can’t argue with that!
Personally, I get on ok with the keyboard. As for the touch bar. I don't hate that it is there, but it isn't the revolution Apple thought it would be and I wish I hadn't paid for something I don't *really* want. Something telling though, I don't think they mentioned it at all at the keynote. I could have blinked and missed it.
As for ports. I can’t understand the frustration because I rarely need to plug anything is. I’m a jeweller, so when I’m not at my bench, I design content on the machine and upload files via the web to get physical items made. The only thing I do need to connect is my backup SSD so I bought a USB C housing for it.
Anyway! Here is hoping that Apple take note of the complaints, because there have been many!
Personally, I get on ok with the keyboard. As for the touch bar. I don't hate that it is there, but it isn't the revolution Apple thought it would be and I wish I hadn't paid for something I don't *really* want. Something telling though, I don't think they mentioned it at all at the keynote. I could have blinked and missed it.
As for ports. I can’t understand the frustration because I rarely need to plug anything is. I’m a jeweller, so when I’m not at my bench, I design content on the machine and upload files via the web to get physical items made. The only thing I do need to connect is my backup SSD so I bought a USB C housing for it.
Anyway! Here is hoping that Apple take note of the complaints, because there have been many!
Because there are still people that buy it. That's one of the luxuries of being in the Apple ecosystem. They hold their value. Some say it's because of the quality, but I'd argue the brand carries a lot of weight. Imagine someone who was itching to get into the ecosystem. That $50 price cut might be enough to lure them because Apple is notoriously known for not having discounts.
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You do know what year this is, right?
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Will it just stop working because of mojave coming out? I think not. You just can't upgrade it to mojave.
Maybe, it isn't intentional. I don't really care either way. I care about end results. End performance and battery life are always - or almost always - poorer. That's all that matters to me. The inability to downgrade exacerbates the problem.
Edit: I'm talking about iOS here.
Edit: I'm talking about iOS here.
That you, somehow, don't know about "most people" and their issues with iPad 2 on iOS 9, doesn't make my point any less valid.
But you sure know about "99%".
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It really shouldn't be about downgrading either.
If Apple supports an iOS version for a specific hardware version, it should "just work". And smoothly and usable at that.
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Agree. But if it doesn't - people have different expectations. Working fine for me can mean garbage for you, and viceversa - they should allow people to be happy with their devices. I don't see another way than to allow downgrading.
In the hi-tech world, dismissing planned obsolescence is a disingenuous lie. Every big company almost certainly has really some cool stuff in their R&D labs, that won't make it into production for many years, but is incompatible with and will obsolete the product they have to ship today to stay in business. Planned obsolescence is required to both (1) not go bankrupt soon, and to (2) plan to compete with or beat whatever the competition will likely be doing 2, 3 or more years later.
Microsoft has fallen behind Apple in market cap, one reason being that they paid too much attention with staying compatible with some really old crufty tech that customers had gotten too used to depending on. The better plan is to upset some number of those old customer in order to delight an even greater number of new paying customers in later years. Apple is doing that.
It's all known planned obsolescence due to Moore's Law (and other similars curves for magnetics, genetics, AI/ML, and etc.)
Microsoft has fallen behind Apple in market cap, one reason being that they paid too much attention with staying compatible with some really old crufty tech that customers had gotten too used to depending on. The better plan is to upset some number of those old customer in order to delight an even greater number of new paying customers in later years. Apple is doing that.
It's all known planned obsolescence due to Moore's Law (and other similars curves for magnetics, genetics, AI/ML, and etc.)
My Air 2 was unbelievable slow, sure apps will eventually load. I have an iPad Pro 10.5 and it’s slow at times. Others on this board have mentioned their iPhone 7 & X having studdering. iOS 10 was very snappy, literally overnight apple killed my iPad Air 2.
No, I'm more than willing to go beck to paying for the OS as well as iWork.
Obsolescence is a natural side effect of electronic consumer devices, and I can't believe for one second that, of all companies, Apple plan and scheme in some hand-wringing manner, to "force" you to buy the latest iPhone. If your house becomes too small to contain you and your family, you sell it and buy a bigger one; that doesn't make the architect of you old house "bad", it simply means you've outgrown it, and it's time to move on, and someone with a smaller house than your old one can move into it.
In what world do you expect a V8 engine to be available as an upgrade option to an aging 1980 mini? At some point you NEED to get a bigger, newer model, if your needs or wants change. Apple have to build bigger houses for you to cram all your videos, photos, and meaningless whatsapp messages into, and people want ALL the new features and speed, and yet want that on an OLD device, and for it to behave the same as the latest model? As if that wasn't naive enough, they also think Apple have no right to sell the phones THAT NO ONE IS HOLDING A GUN TO THEIR HEADS TO BUY?
Wow, people are so simple minded. Feel free to go to Android, I don't see anything except (UN)common sense that would hold you hostage in such a terrible first world consumer prison such as that which you (think you) believe Apple are.
In what world do you expect a V8 engine to be available as an upgrade option to an aging 1980 mini? At some point you NEED to get a bigger, newer model, if your needs or wants change. Apple have to build bigger houses for you to cram all your videos, photos, and meaningless whatsapp messages into, and people want ALL the new features and speed, and yet want that on an OLD device, and for it to behave the same as the latest model? As if that wasn't naive enough, they also think Apple have no right to sell the phones THAT NO ONE IS HOLDING A GUN TO THEIR HEADS TO BUY?
Wow, people are so simple minded. Feel free to go to Android, I don't see anything except (UN)common sense that would hold you hostage in such a terrible first world consumer prison such as that which you (think you) believe Apple are.
I think the more you make people pay for software updates, the fewer people will actually upgrade, and that presents an issue in itself.
My Dell M6400 I purchased in 2008 has no problem running Win 10 and cost a fraction of the cost my now obsolete iMac. The Dell came with Win XP. Apple never had an issue with supporting their creations until Timmy “The Terrible” took the helm and began his world domination campaign by ripping off taxpayers by parking Hundreds of billionsand squeezing customer and picking our pockets with planned obsolescence and fragile communication devices that can’t withstand a drop of less than 6” inches before something either shatters like the super duper extra strong glass over the wireless charging module (hahahahaha....not) or something wiggles loose from the logic board.
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Your comparing apples to oranges. Microsoft has never ever ever been a hardware company. The dabbled in peripheral but not hardware. It’s not what they do. They do software and they do it better than anyone. Apple in the other hand has always been known for innovative design that was user friendly and aesthetically pleasing hardware. Trying to give cover out of product devotion by using the Surface as an example just doesn’t work.
While I agree with nearly every bit of that post (especially the V8 Mini) I have to say that Apple now putting 128gb SSDs in to otherwise very capable machines is even more trashy than how long 16gb iPhones hung around; and that was a raging dumpster fire of insults to the consumer.
I wouldn't even look at a machine with less than a 500gb HD or 512gb SSD; and while that's just me speaking for me, I'm sure others feel the same. (The 64gb in the early MacBook Airs was potentially the worst thing I've seen from them in a long time, and Tim wasn't at the helm for that one. That's Apple's business model; they make money on hardware, not software.)
That's not planned obsolesce, that's taking the gouge right to the checkout counter, because with Apple, once you get home, your machine is sealed and hot glued together, and Joe Consumer won't ever even have the option of upgrading the storage without handing Apple the cash - either at the time of purchase for that first machine, or the second one with more storage to replace the first.
Apple, I believe, is becoming less guilty of planned obsolesce, and more guilty of shorting the consumer on something as cheap and basic as storage. (Plus that goes without saying anything of how they charge for Ram...)
No one is saying "throw them away.". They just won't work on the latest OS, don't be daft!
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But you have options. I leave all my stuff in the cloud, and have a 4 TB drive (portable hard drive) for all my iTunes moves so 128gb computer works for me going to and from work. I keep my 4 TB drive in my computer bag and pull it out when I need it, which is usually only when I don't have strong enough Wi-Fi to stream.