Apple Executive Greg Joswiak Dismisses Planned Obsolescence as 'Craziest Thinking in the World'

[tennisproha]

I have to side with apple here. Planned Obsolescence is an issue but I think Apple tries pretty hard to support older devices. Still supporting 5s is a big deal.

Now on the flip side, they should be doing more to support older Macs, but some of that is a hardware limitation so I understand that logic.

Apple shouldn't be blamed for planned obsolescence. The real culprit are companies like LG and Samsung. An LG tv is purposefully designed to break after a couple years with the replacement part costing half the price of the tv. It's also well known that they have ****** customer service. They should be getting her criticism for planned obsolescence.

Edit: really macrumors? You allow s h i t t y in your article but I can't type it. Is your demographic 5 years old?

 

[TailsToo]

iOS: We care about your older devices.

MacOS: Please throw away your MacBook (Late 2009), MacBook (Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (Early 2011), MacBook Pro (Late 2011), iMac (Late 2009), iMac (Mid 2010), iMac (Mid 2011), Mac mini (Mid 2010), or Mac mini (Mid 2011).

What a great company...

(Sorry for the repost, but this is definitely relevant here.)

Ehh.. as someone who owns a 2011 MBP, I feel like I got pretty good value. I would hate for them to hold back on innovation just to support really old hardware.

As for iOS, the 5S is from 2013.

 

[MauiPa]

iOS: We care about your older devices.

MacOS: Please throw away your MacBook (Late 2009), MacBook (Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (Early 2011), MacBook Pro (Late 2011), iMac (Late 2009), iMac (Mid 2010), iMac (Mid 2011), Mac mini (Mid 2010), or Mac mini (Mid 2011).

What a great company...

(Sorry for the repost, but this is definitely relevant here.)

In trying to be nasty, you have in fact stated one of the real advantages of Apple. You complain that devices over 7 years old no longer can run the latest update. You even include devices almost 10-years old. ( I doubt there are any Dells that are that old that are not in the trash long ago.). So you champion the longevity of Apple products while trying to trash them. tsk tsk tsk.

You no, they can still run the software the same software they are running, right? Or you just searching hard for nasty things to say?

I guess the real question is what functions does Mojave have that use chip features not found in Sandy Bridge and earlier?

 

[Alphazoid]

They decided to go with Metal and deprecate Open GL, consequently cutting hardware that doesn't support Metal which is most hardware that's 7yrs old. 7 yrs is almost prehistoric in technology land. I personally don't see the outrage outside of people who are salty about their old hardware being left behind. How long were people expecting support for really.

iOS 12 does lots more too yet runs much better on 4 year old hardware......so not sure what your point is other than totally missing the point of why people are ticked off at Apple’s excuse rhetoric.

Mojave supports 4yr old hardware too. iOS 12 doesn't support any 7yr old hardware.

 

[MattA]

It's most likely that Apple doesn't want to support older chipsets in 2011 and earlier macs. It becomes harder and harder to build in support for so many machines causing the OS to bloat. I have (had?) a 2011 Mac Mini that would definitely have no issues running Mojave if it was supported, but I suspect they don't want to continue making drivers for the older wireless card/video chipset/etc.

It makes sense, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

 

[Markoth]

How's not getting an OS update to the 8-year-old devices telling users to throw them away? They still run fine with High Sierra right?

The issue is that you eventually start to put yourself at risk, as new security vulnerabilities are discovered, and your device is no longer receiving updates. I lasted for about two years after my 2007 iMac was finally dropped. At that point, I just went and installed Fedora. There are always options for an old computer.

 

[jonnyb098]

They decided to go with Metal and deprecate Open GL, consequently cutting hardware that doesn't support Metal which is most hardware that's 7yrs old. 7 yrs is almost prehistoric in technology land. I personally don't see the outrage outside of people who are salty about their old hardware being left behind. How long were people expecting support for really.



Mojave supports 4yr old hardware too. iOS 12 doesn't support any 7yr old hardware.

I’ll give Apple a little leeway to catch up since the Mac is .....40 years old vs iOS being 11 years old.

 

[I7guy]

Stuff and nonsense. Planned Obsolescence does exist.

Thank you for showing that planned obsolescence is just a meme.

 

[Radon87000]

Thank you for showing that planned obsolescence is just a meme.

How is it a meme when my persona ldevices and of many users are affected?

 

[Altis]

Apple permanently locks devices to iOS versions that render the device useless.

An iPhone 4S would be perfectly usable today on say iOS 6 -- just without the new features and app support. But once it's stuck on iOS 9, stick a fork in it.

It can't even type letters without lagging the heck out. Even my 6 on iOS 10/11 ran so poorly at the simplest tasks that even the 3G/3GS did without issue.

 

[Soccertess]

Craig Federighi should be ceo!

That is the true ceo leader of Apple!!

He will make Apple great again

 

[tzm41]

The issue is that you eventually start to put yourself at risk, as new security vulnerabilities are discovered, and your device is no longer receiving updates. I lasted for about two years after my 2007 iMac was finally dropped. At that point, I just went and installed Fedora. There are always options for an old computer.

Apple typically still ports security updates to older OSs for a couple years though...

 

[BigJohno]

That eco on the video is killing me....

 

[WinstonRumfoord]

Your line of thinking doesn't make sense. People want smaller, thinner devices and part of doing that is making things as compact as possible. Look at TVs, there are very few user serviceable parts these days on them and people aren't complaining about that. Notebooks go the same way. You want thin, fast and light, you have to work to get most of the stuff on one board, not spread throughout.

There's only so much space to fit stuff and I'd rather take performance over a slower system that is user serviceable.

Why do you assume I want a thinner lighter "pro" laptop? If weight and size were my main driving factor, I would buy a Macbook. Or Macbook Air. This conversation has been rehashed countless times. I want my Pro machine, the machine I used 50 hours a week to make money with, to be powerful, fast, and portable enough that I can use it in my office or at home. I do not need to be able to carry it with me on ultra marathons.

 

[I7guy]

How is it a meme when my persona ldevices and of many users are affected?

Because your interpretation of planned obsolescence doesn’t jive with the facts. That’s why it’s a meme.

 

[apolloa]

Hmmmm ok... that’s Apple on the defensive whilst being investigated by several law cases, government departments and consumer groups globally for doing planned obsolescence with the throttling scandle!
Yeah apple, you let your own software in your store claim that your iPhones are perfectly fine whilst telling the owners to upgrade, and not telling them their iPhones are slow because you deliberately throttled them..

Yeap, Apple is definitely on the defensive and damage control over this, I think some heafty fines are coming there way..

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Apple has had to support two major architecture transitions on the Mac, so don't tell me that maintaining some legacy code for one more release of the OS isn't a reasonable request. While I don't think they are doing this intentionally for planned obsolescence, they clearly see no financial incentive in continuing support on the MacOS side (vs. overcoming the lawsuits and bad publicity from updates slowing down older devices on the iOS side).

Power PC G5 computers released in 2005 were not supported by Mac OS Snow Leopard, Released in 2009. Thats 4 years. And, if they waited 1 more year, you would just complain next year. And, there probably cleaning all the legacy code because there about to switch processors again, and they don't want to make a drastic drop off of devices. Slowly faze them out. This year it was Macs that could not support Metal, Next year it will probably be Macs with out Thunderbolt 2, than Macs with out retina displays, and so on and so on. In 2020, when they switch to ARM, people would be mad if they said, "macOS 10.16 only supports Macs from 2016 and above, and we will stop supporting all Intel processers in 2 years.

 

[Radon87000]

Because your interpretation of planned obsolescence doesn’t jive with the facts. That’s why it’s a meme.

How are real life devices being affected not a fact? How is Throttlegate not a fact?

 

[ChrisCW11]

You can't tell me that a 4 year old iPhone or iPad that struggles to do even the basic tasks it used to excel at isn't some kind of planned obsolescence, or maybe it was just unplanned incompetence. Either way its only crazy now because Apple got caught red-handed crippling performance under the ruse of battery fatigue.

 

[Radon87000]

You can't tell me that a 4 year old iPhone or iPad that struggles to do even the basic tasks it used to excel at isn't some kind of planned obsolescence, or maybe it was just unplanned incompetence. Either way its only crazy now because Apple got caught red-handed crippling performance under the ruse of battery fatigue.

Its quite simple. They were caught with their hand in the cookie jar and this is an attempt at redemption.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

They also dropped S0 Watch after just 3 years. Yeah right

I had a S0 watch running OS 4, and it was slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[Michael Goff]

iOS 12 does lots more too yet runs much better on 4 year old hardware......so not sure what your point is other than totally missing the point of why people are ticked off at Apple’s excuse rhetoric.

My point is that Planned Obsolescence means you’re trying to create motive where there might not be any.

iOS 12 adds more to the iPhone then iOS 11 did to iOS 10. Then why does iOS 12 perform better? Because Apple focused on countering the notion of planned obsolescence. They obviously can't say this in the interview as it would tantamount to an admission that they were doing it at some point. I also don't like the throttle they shipped in iOS 11 for older devices without telling anyone

iOS 12 performs better because they’re focusing on it this year. It’s as simple as that. Planned Obsolescence is the idea that people will keep buying from the same company if they willfully make their devices work. And that’s ridiculous.
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Its quite simple. They were caught with their hand in the cookie jar and this is an attempt at redemption.

They got caught how?

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

iOS 12 does lots more too yet runs much better on 4 year old hardware......so not sure what your point is other than totally missing the point of why people are ticked off at Apple’s excuse rhetoric.

iOS 12 is a mobile OS, not a Desktop OS. And there only supporting devices from 2013 and up. macOS is still supporting Mac Pros from 2010

 

[pat500000]

No products are old when it works. Apple is like pac man....gobble gobble money till consumers are like ghosts that chase after them when apple don’t feel super powered up pac man..... “game over!”

 

[ksec]

My biggest problem is, all these menu or response being 40% faster or what ever, well they are like back to how iOS 10 was. iOS 11 created all these lag, that version after version in 11.4 it is still slower.

May be iOS 12 will be even faster then iOS 10, I don't know. But good god my iPhone were definitely faster before.