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Apple Executives Speak on the 'Low-Cost Phone', Android's Fragmentation Issues
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Well, you're definitely a hater. If you really hate Apple, like it seems, there are plenty of forums better suited for you. Somewhat tragic that you apparently have the urge to spend your life in this fashion. If you're not a troll, then who is?
I hear what you're saying - but please understand that I'm not convinced you are correct.
Do you know how often Google updates Play Services? I ask because I have no clue. Wikipedia doesn't have that info. Here's what Wikipedia has on iOS 6 updates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_6.x
6.0 - released Sep 19, 2012.
6.0.1 - Nov 1, 2012. 43 days. Bug fixes and security update.
6.0.2 - Dec 18, 2012. 47 days. iP 5-only wifi bug fix.
6.1 - Jan 28, 2013. 41 days. Features and security update.
6.1.1 - Feb 6, 2013. 9 days. iP 4S-only cell performance improvement.
6.1.2 - Feb 19, 2013. 13 days. Exchange bug fix.
6.1.3 - Mar 19, 2013. 28 days. Bug fixes and security update.
6.1.4 - May 2, 2013. 44 days. iP 5-only speakerphone update.
Then 139 days passed until we got iOS 7.0. However, I'm not aware of any known security vulnerabilities hanging around since then. Still, I think that the above lists illustrates that users wait for updates from Apple for much less time than "FOREVER."
Also, point release updates to iOS do not require a full iOS image update if you update over-the-air. Downloading iOS 6.0.1 over iTunes, for example, was a 983 MB behemoth, yes, but only a quick - er, somewhat - 70 MB download when done OTA from the phone itself.
Excellent. I'm anxious to read this issue of BW.
Curiously, I've had a free (as in beer) subscription to BW for over a year. I'm not complaining but it's still an unusual business model. Maybe advertisements are their primary revenue source.
Anyway, can't wait to read this.
Curiously, I've had a free (as in beer) subscription to BW for over a year. I'm not complaining but it's still an unusual business model. Maybe advertisements are their primary revenue source.
Anyway, can't wait to read this.
I remember when the first iPhone came out.
"What? No tactile keyboard? What a piece of crap."
Then when the iPad came out.
"What? No flash support? What a piece of crap."
and
"Why would someone buy an product named after a feminine hygiene product that has a fraction of the functionality of netbooks?"
Today, most smartphones have touch screen interfaces with no physical keyboard. Flash support in mobile products? How is that going today? And how about netbooks?
I think if you were a betting person, the smart thing to do is to come to Macrumors and read what the whiners are complaining about. More often than not, the right answer is the complete opposite.
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I hear what you're saying - but please understand that I'm not convinced you are correct.
Here's what Wikipedia has on iOS 6 updates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_6.x
6.0 - released Sep 19, 2012.
6.0.1 - Nov 1, 2012. 43 days. Bug fixes and security update.
6.0.2 - Dec 18, 2012. 47 days. iP 5-only wifi bug fix.
6.1 - Jan 28, 2013. 41 days. Features and security update.
6.1.1 - Feb 6, 2013. 9 days. iP 4S-only cell performance improvement.
6.1.2 - Feb 19, 2013. 13 days. Exchange bug fix.
6.1.3 - Mar 19, 2013. 28 days. Bug fixes and security update.
6.1.4 - May 2, 2013. 44 days. iP 5-only speakerphone update.
Then 139 days passed until we got iOS 7.0. However, I'm not aware of any known security vulnerabilities hanging around since then. Still, I think that the above lists illustrates that users wait for updates from Apple for much less time than "FOREVER."
Also, point release updates to iOS do not require a full iOS image update if you update over-the-air. Downloading iOS 6.0.1 over iTunes, for example, was a 983 MB behemoth, yes, but only a quick - er, somewhat - 70 MB download when done OTA from the phone itself.
I can't give you a specific date, but I can tell you that I've had two updates to Google Play Services in the last week alone. It's not something they put out there and then ignore for months at a time. It's a regularly updated thing.
BTW, I'm not even sure I'm right...LOL. As I said before, both OS's are fantastic. I'm just tired of hearing the same old argument (not from you, but in general) and I mean that from both sides of the table. Why people can't use what's best for them and enjoy it without feeling the need to bash the other side's users, I don't know. I just know it's silly.
Did you read my post? That quote was Tim Cook talking about lower cost. Which rings hollow considering they didn't drop prices.
And consumers don't care if a company lowers their costs and doesn't pass that along as long as it's the same product (or has changes that are invisible to the customer). But in this case Apple obviously switched the product to a cheaper one, they made the case an obviously cheaper one but kept the price the same to the consumer. That's why people are talking about the price of it.
Nah, just somebody who agrees with one other poster, and disagrees with a different other poster.
Your original post compared new iOS to old iOS. Now you're talking about comparing iOS to other OSes. Your original post was flat wrong. Just own up to it that you didn't word it in a way that conveyed your meaning, and don't worry about trying to "win" on the Internet. "Fair enough, you know I am right, great!" indeed.
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The link to the article is in the OP. You can read it for free right now!
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I'll drink to that.
Where' the beer smiley?
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From what I can gather, Cook's quote during the Goldman Sachs event was in the context of them being surprised at the level of sales of the 4 and 4S once their prices were reduced during the 5 introduction. He said:
So they lowered the price of the iPhone 4 to zero on contract and they suddenly couldn't produce enough of them to keep up with demand.
So now it's the 4S's turn to be "free" on contract. I think with the 5c introduction, which isn't free yet but will be next year most likely, they're setting it up to be a phone that can still deliver the quality they want associated with an Apple device, but it's also one they can easily offer for reduced price under their established pricing model and produce quickly and cheaply.
Yes. Are you sure you can separate what Apple tells you is considered to be fragmentation or what it actually is?
The fact of the matter is, unlike when Steve Jobs uttered this now infamous phrase years ago, the Apple iOS no longer can have 100% operability over all Apple devices.
So yes, Apple has devices on the market currently that:
1.) Cannot run the same OS as other devices
2.) Cannot run the same apps as other devices built for different OSes
3.) Is introducing variants of the iPhone 5 with different specs which can lead to incompatibility issues in the future
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Shhhhh...you'll ruin one of Timmy's core arguments!
This is why people who defend Apple to the death are called iSheep. Because they take what Jobs or Cook say (or any one of the other snarky Apple execs) and spew it for YEARS. They just follow right along without thinking for themselves or, god forbid, actually doing some research of their own.
In reality, they have no clue what they're talking about. The word "fragmentation" would've never entered their lexicon unless Jobs stood up there on stage and said it.
The fact of the matter is, Google/Android have a way keeping nearly every phone updated to the latest core software, and that's by placing crucial updates directly to Google Play. Every time you update Google Play Services, you're in effect updating the OS. In the Jobs/Cook narrow minded world, though, we can only look at one number...OS version.
This is where Android gets it right. Find a crucial bug or something that needs fixing right away? Simply update Google Play Services and push it out to all devices. If Apple finds something along those lines? We'll get it to you when we get it to you. Whether that's a "point" update that takes a month to push out or the annual update of the entire OS, you just have to deal with it. Oh, you don't like things about iOS 7? Well, we're planning on some changes...but you'll have to wait a year to get them.
The sooner you guys stop being drones for everything Jobs/Cook says, the more informed you're going to be. Think for yourselves for once, will you?
Well said - you summed this up quite nicely.
no i am not. but i was merely suggesting that be happy with whatever you like (and chose).
Way to take everything out of context and change the subject.
The thread started where people were criticizing the Apple executives for having this 'What me, worry?' attitude. I simply explained why, from their point of view, that they could care less.
I, personally, don't care that they get paid handsomely. That's not the point at all.
Uh, right.
So let me ask again. Are you sure you know what fragmentation is as it relates to software?
I'm not sure the person you quoted understands fragmentation.
Having a strategy to push out bug fixes across multiple platforms does not equate no fragmentation.
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What your describing its fragmentation. No one is "blaming" Google, but it is android fact.
And the galaxy gear issue is an issue with 4.3. From Google:
Android 4.3 (API Level 18) introduces built-in platform support for Bluetooth Low Energy in the central role and provides APIs that apps can use to discover devices, query for services, and read/write characteristics. In contrast to Classic Bluetooth, Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) is designed to provide significantly lower power consumption. This allows Android apps to communicate with BLE devices that have low power requirements, such as proximity sensors, heart rate monitors, fitness devices, and so on.
So now there is fragmentation to deal with. No 4.3, no galaxy gear. I'm going to bump this topic on launch day for the gear, and I know with absolutely certainty there will be more Samsung devices released in the last 24 that are not compatible due to fragmentation than capable of using the gear.
No one sane can say with a straight face that anyone has a product support and update record better than iOS and Apple.
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Again are you sure it's an Android issue.
I ask because the only device it's compatible with is the Note, right? Why not the Nexus 7?
ETA: I'll also state that this also doesn't prove much because you're talking about an accessory. It would be like saying there's proof of fragementation in iOS because brand new keyboard can only be used with the newest iPhone. That doesn't make an issue out of fragmentation. It an accessory compatibility issue.
Please, educate us then. Everyone loves saying 'you don't understand fragmentation' but then never says what their definition is.
The fact of the matter is, there are users out there in the Apple ecosystem that have different experiences than others within the same ecosystem. And to me, from what I know, fragmentation is defined as giving users a consistent experience across devices.
I cannot load iOS7 on my device, I am stuck on iOS6. I use the device. My device now looks and acts vastly different from others. I haz fragment.
You think reports of Samsung scrambling to get a 4.3 update done in October are an accident? Since when has Samsung ever made an effort to update their devices that quick?
4.3 is a dependency on which Gear compatibility is built. Without it the Gear will be poised for one of the worst product launches on recent history because of fragmentation.
If that were true Galaxy Gear would work with my GS4 GE on 4.3 right now, I really doubt it would though. I would imagine touchwiz is required as well.
Nexus Devices that aren't on Verizon have a good OS support track record
Cyanogenmod Supports devices even longer (usually) as well for those that don't have google experience devices. Apple is certainly better than OEMs, but I dont see Apple as superior to nexus device support.
You really didn't answer my question. Why only the Note 3 and tablet when other devices have 4.3?
I answered your question perfectly fine.
You're trying to spin and say it's not android, but touchwiz. That's nonsense. The while issue hinges upon 4.3 API's. That is the real headache of fragmented development. I'm not talking devices first released 3 years ago either. This is an issue affecting devices released mere months ago.
You have do also realize that Samsung is locking down Galaxy gear to be compatible with specific devices. It may illustrate a form of fragmentation, but it's a bad example.
So why isn't the the S4 Google play edition (running 4.3) not compatible with the Note 3?
I do not think you answered the question at all....
Even if the look and feel of iOS 7 was the same as what they had in iOS 6, your device would still not be supported.
Your issue is obsolescence, not fragmentation.
If Apple has branched the iOS code to make one specific for 5s and one specific for 5c, then they have fragmentation. A bug fix applied in the codeline for 5s will have to be redone in the 5c codeline.
I don't know how Apple manages their code. I suspect they have one iOS 7 codeline that is used for iPhone 5c, 5s, 4s and 4. The code itself might be smart enough to know what is enabled based on the version of iPhone. If this is the case, any enhancement or bug fix applied to the one codeline is automagically available to all the devices that support iOS 7.
I don't know how android works. If I were to guess, i would think that Google releases the generic codeline to all the various phone manufacturers and each one decides how and when to port the code to their own spec. Although any bug fix Google releases becomes available to all manufacturers, not all manufacturers will adopt the updated version of android that has the bug fix. And not at the same time. And you might see bugs that exist only in Samsung devices that were introduced by Samsung's porting efforts. And if you need a bug fix for that, you don't get it from Google, you need to wait for Samsung to fix it.
I won't pass judgement on whose approach is better. But I will say that Apple's approach seems orders of magnitude more simple for end users than what Android users experience.
