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Android's fragmentation isn't an issue anymore.

Personally, I've never noticed it, and I have a phone which is well over a year old.

It may be a point release older than the newest version. I'm not sure. Does it matter?
 
Your iPod model is more than two years old.

Apple devices get the latest os for at least three years. 25% of new android devices can not use the latest os. The two things are not comparable at all.

No it is not! It was sold as the brand new model alongside the 4s release in October 2011. Your argument is invalid based on this fact alone.
 
Just be honest Tim. You thought you could increase profit margins by decreasing cost of production at the expense of your customers. Every past new iphone release has the previous model going down in price similar to $99 but this time Apple wanted to make even more money.
Way to go. I hope your plan backfires

Not going to backfire at all. The 5c will likely sell way more units than a marked down five would have sold. The 5c is an improved device over the 5.
 
Personally, I've never noticed it, and I have a phone which is well over a year old.

It may be a point release older than the newest version. I'm not sure. Does it matter?

Fragmentation is mainly an issue with DEVELOPERS, not end-users. An end-user wouldn't notice.
 
:rolleyes: It's a matter of degrees. A little bit of fragmentation is not the same as a lot of fragmentation. iOS 7 will probably be on more devices than Jelly Bean within a week. It will likely be on a higher percentage of active iPhones by the end of the day.

Do Apple release OS fragmentation numbers?
 
I'm with you! They used to introduce a new phone at $199, then sell older models at $99 and $0. NOW, they're selling a new phone at $199, another new model at $99, and then an older model at $0. The nerve!

:rolleyes:

For a second I thought you were serious. Then I saw the rolleyes. :)

The subtleties of a good sarcastic comment can make for a very entertaining conversation.
 
You are so wrong. It's THE issue with Android right now.
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People who buy a cheap phone with an old OS don't really care about having an old OS. They are coming from feature phones where they could not download apps. Now they have a smartphone and they can get every popular app like their friends have.

If their phone doesn't have a gyro and a barometer, and therefore there are some esoteric apps that don't work - well they knew that when they bought the el-cheapo phone and they don't really care.
 
This is a case where statistics can prove whatever you want them to.

For people that care about apps, running the latest and greatest, do you think they care about fragmentation? Do you think my mother cares she's not running Android 4.3?

Fragmentation is an issue in the Apple world because Steve Jobs said it, so it must be so. Had he not said that, no one would be talking about fragmentation, ever.

PS - I can't upgrade to iOS7 with my Apple device and I'm running Android 4.3 on my other device.
So your apple device is at least four years old. Your four year old android device is running 4.3? Right.

I give credit to Tim cook, he trolled the android fans hard with this one. As soon as I read it I knew there would be plenty of android fragmentation deniers posting itt.
 
Fragmentation? LOL! They just announced a legacy app system for devices that can't run the latest OS! I bought my iPhone 3G the first day it was available. Months before my 2 year contract even ended, Apple rendered it unusable with an OS update that didn't support a bunch of new features anyhow.

I currently have a 2+ year old Android phone running 2.3 and a nearly year old, albeit high spec, tablet running Android 4.2. I use the same current apps on both with no problems.

Those are the stock, manufacturer OS releases. If you're willing to hack around a little there is also an active development community that often has the latest Android OS available for much older devices.

Apple's solution to fragmentation is disposable devices with timed obsolescence. And their problem is compounded by locked down devices with a locked down, closed OS. I suppose if you have huge wads of cash to throw at Apple every time they force a hardware upgrade, that's great.

Apple's execs should get their own house in order and innovate around "fragmentation" before they whine about somebody else's problems.
 
You are so wrong. It's THE issue with Android right now.
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That one is from June. Here is the latest from September.

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http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Where is Android 4.3?? That's the one that added BT4.0 BLE support, for beacons and such.

There are NO devices with it? Released on 24 July 2013, and no devices run it, and Google doesn't recognize it's existence 2 months later.
 
So on the eve of launching two separate phones with different specs and just days after launching a legacy app program and after yesterday's iOS7 release that I can't use on my less than two year old iPod, we're bashing Android for fragmentation?

That's not what fragmentation is. That is just stuff becoming outdated and not with specs current enough to run the newest software.
 
But it does, because to his/her question about current gen, this really is last year's iPhone being lauded as "current" gen and new. At least in the past when last year's phone was reduced in price people had a better idea that it was last year's phone.

Not debating your usability point, just saying this is last year's phone being touted as THIS year's phone alongside the 5s.
Except that is not true so stop saying it.
 
Just be honest Tim. You thought you could increase profit margins by decreasing cost of production at the expense of your customers. Every past new iphone release has the previous model going down in price similar to $99 but this time Apple wanted to make even more money.
Way to go. I hope your plan backfires

Of course, that's what business is all about. But that's not to say the customer isn't benefitting too. The 5c can now be called a world phone whereas the 5 certainly wasn't. Also a bigger battery and improved FaceTime camera too. So, if I were faced with a choice of a 5 or a 5c tomorrow, for the same price, I'd definitely go with the 5c… because it's a better phone and therefore better value.
 
People who get flagship high end Android devices have zero to worry about. People who go in looking for a free phone or one for $19.99 don't give a rats rump whether they have ICS or JB. I would wager 9/10 people couldn't tell the difference between 4.2.2 and 4.3, but in Apple land if 100% of the handsets out there aren't running 4.3 then it's "ZOMG look at the fragmentation."

Lol at fandroids now claiming people who buy android phones don't care about getting access to the latest features and have access to the newest apps.

This is the defense for horrible fragmentation? That people don't care about apps or features when they choose android?
 
No it is not! It was sold as the brand new model alongside the 4s release in October 2011. Your argument is invalid based on this fact alone.

You are partly correct. The WHITE iPodTouch 4th Generation was introduced in October 2011 along with the iPhone 4S, but the 4th Generation was already on the market since september 2010.

However, I do believe Apple has done somewhat of a disservice by discontinuing iOS updates on devices that they were still selling as new as recently as May of this year!

Its not exactly fragmentation in the way that Android OS versions are, but it is a really poor show of support for "current" hardware in my opinion.
 
Siri performance is contingent upon an Audience noise cancellation co-processor and algorithm, which in turn allows Siri to be better able to discern speech in outdoor conditions with lots of ambient noise.

The software for Siri itself running was never the source of the issue.

Something similar will happen next year when the iWatch needs M7.

Either way it's a hardware concern, where the Galaxy Gear situation is 100% android fragmentation.

The galaxy gear watch requires Bluetooth 4 hardware, which is only available on a handful of devices. It's true that it also requires 4.3, which will be released on the S4 next month, at which point it will fully support the Gear
 
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