Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity
"Data from Israel revealed that natural immunity is 6.7x more effective"
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Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity
"Data from Israel revealed that natural immunity is 6.7x more effective"
So many links to opinion articles, nothing on actual peer review studies that have been duplicated by outside sources by serious institutions like the AMA. Opinions aren’t Facts.
Those aren’t studies, those are opinions. How many ACTUAL scientific studies have you actually read? Do you even know what a P value is without googling it? What authorities have reviewed your studies before being published. What have you got that’s been published by The New England Journal of Medicine? Nothing is what.
Show me with screenshots why they aren’t studies…other than your word.
i bet you didn’t even click one.
Allow me to explain it to you in laymen terms.
The spike protein of the virus, that is also being utilized in the vaccines, is damaging to our cells through 3 mechanisms.
The first is that when the spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor it causes the ACE2 to send signals to the mitochondria within the cell which destroys the mitochondria, eventually killing the cell.
The second is that when the spike protein binds to our ACE2 receptors it causes the ACE2 to send signals to other cells which increases the amount of pro-inflammatory agents in the blood. This inflammation damages the tissues.
The third way is that when the spike protein binds to the ACE2 of the platelets in our blood, it causes them to clot. Now, the vaccine manufacturers did take steps to make the spike protein more safe. The spike protein has two parts an S1 subunit and an S2 subunit. The S1 is the part that connects to the ACE2, and the S2 is the part that opens up like a knife stabbing the membrane and facilitates fusion between the membrane of the cell and the envelope of the virus.
With the vaccines, they modified the S2 subnit so that it could not open up and jab into the cell membranes if it connects with any ACE2 receptors. They thought this would make the spike protein safe, but this assumption is false and if they had taken the time to do more research before rushing to production they would have found that out. It may seem like the jabby bit is what damages the cells, but actually the major damage is caused by the S1 connecting to the ACE2 receptor. Just the S1, by itself without the S2, causes the ACE2 receptor to start the cell signaling processes that cause the mitochondrial damage, the pro-inflammatory response, and the blood clots.
All the studies I linked back up these claims.
Oh and since you don’t click *actual* studies, here’s an ‘article’ from mainstream media: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...rt-problem-mostly-mild-experts-say/ar-AAKnuFZ
Don’t worry, it’s just ‘mild’ heart inflammation.
I look forward to a intellectual conversation from you, other than a low effort “you’re wrong”.
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So, in summary, the SCIENCE (all-caps feels like there should be a dramatic orchestra chord behind that) says get vaccinated. The best outcomes are the combination of previous infection and at least one vaccination shot, and if you're vaccinated you're more likely to survive infection to get that added benefit.
I'm curious if you've read and understood either that study or the articles you linked to. Actually, I'm not even sure if you've read through to the end of the article titles-- the science mag title pretty clearly suggests that seeking infection is a bad idea.
I think this is a case of people being duped by ideologues pushing conclusions and quoting studies to give themselves the air of legitimacy, knowing their audience isn't capable of understanding what they're reading.
What that study says is basically four things:
- being vaccinated and having been previously infected gives the best outcomes
- surviving a previous infection gives better resistance to reinfection than vaccination alone
- some indication that previous infection reduces hospitalization relative to vaccination alone
- immune response due to previous infection fades with time
- unvaccinated individuals are not mentioned in the study
- your "8 times" number is not called out in their conclusions because the numbers are relatively small in both cases
- every article you link to discussing the study makes the point to not get intentionally infected and to get vaccinated.
As a side note, that study has not yet been peer reviewed, so we’re pretty early in the process of understanding the raw data.
Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity
"Data from Israel revealed that natural immunity is 6.7x more effective"www.msn.com
Did you get to the part where Makary suggests the non-immune get vaccinated? Did you read the Israeli study and see that having been previously infected and getting at least one shot leads to further reduced infections?
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Dr. Makary Says Natural Immunity Is More Effective Then Vaccine Immunity
"Data from Israel revealed that natural immunity is 6.7x more effective"
In that article:
Also can you clarify what your job is? You mentioned you work from home in another post (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...t.2277662/page-11?post=29447096#post-29447096) but now you say you work at a hospital in this post https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...oesnt-mandate-vaccines.2308950/post-30215686?
It sounds like maybe you work an IT job if you're mixing work from home and at the hospital which wouldn't exactly make you more of an expert on this subject as you seem to insinuate.
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The thing is, if you are reading the results from an actual study published in a real medical journal you probably wouldn’t understand any of what it actually means, they are after all reporting facts, not opinions and using statistics & medical terminology that most people are not exposed to. Below is a random example of a true medical study from The New England Journal of Medicine, if pasting the PDF actually works…Oh and since you don’t click *actual* studies, here’s an ‘article’ from mainstream media: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...rt-problem-mostly-mild-experts-say/ar-AAKnuFZ
Don’t worry, it’s just ‘mild’ heart inflammation.
I look forward to a intellectual conversation from you, other than a low effort “you’re wrong”.
That's four things, not three. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Did you actually look on the BBC for an article on her death?
BBC presenter Lisa Shaw died from blood clot after AstraZeneca jab, family say
A “BRILLIANT” BBC presenter died after suffering a blood clot following the AstraZeneca Covid vaccine, her family said today. Lisa Shaw’s devastated relatives told of their heartb…www.thesun.co.uk
Notice it’s not BBC reporting the death of their own reporter.
Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine
Lisa Shaw developed headaches shortly after being vaccinated against Covid-19, an inquest hears.
www.bbc.com
Hope you don't mind I've re-ordered some of these so I don't have to repeat myself as much, and I do give you credit for providing sources, even if a whole lot of them are very misleading to people who aren't as deep into this stuff, don't show what you're saying, and/or aren't a cause for concern.
A quick sidenote to begin with for most people reading this: If the stuff Amacfa was asserting was actually the case and caused problems on anything more than a tiny scale, we would see lots of terrible adverse events that fit with it, which we just don't see. Get vaccinated folks!
While you state that the last study is about the spike protein from the vaccine as well, what it actually says is that it's quite unlikely to be an issue as a result of vaccination, and they didn't seem to test it either, just wondered about it.
There is no evidence that the spike protein produced via the vaccines is crossing the blood-brain-barrier and causing harm, and there's a few reasons for that, many of which Dr Derek Lowe goes over in this great article:
A quick sidenote to begin with for most people reading this: If the stuff Amacfa was asserting was actually the case and caused problems on anything more than a tiny scale, we would see lots of terrible adverse events that fit with it, which we just don't see. Get vaccinated folks!
All of these do indeed seem pretty bad, but they're about the spike protein from the virus itself, nothing to do with the vaccines. If anything they're more of a reason to get vaccinated so your immune system is primed to stop the virus and its spike proteins from getting into your brain and causing damage. This would also probably help explain the worrying evidence we have around COVID causing lasting cognitive impacts.Article on how the Covid19 spike protein crosses the blood-brain barrier: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X?via=ihub
Article on how the Covid19 spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor of our platelets to cause bloodclots:
SARS-CoV-2 binds platelet ACE2 to enhance thrombosis in COVID-19 - Journal of Hematology & Oncology
Background Critically ill patients diagnosed with COVID-19 may develop a pro-thrombotic state that places them at a dramatically increased lethal risk. Although platelet activation is critical for thrombosis and is responsible for the thrombotic events and cardiovascular complications, the role...jhoonline.biomedcentral.com
Article explains that just the S1 subunit of the spike protein can cause platelets to clot: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.05.21252960v1
Article on how the spike protein can cause neurodegeneration: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2100499X?via=ihub
Journal article with evidence that the spike protein by itself can damage cells by binding to ACE2, causing the cells mitochondria to lose their shape and break apart: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902
Article that when the spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor it causes the release of soluble IL-6R which acts as a extracellular signal which causes inflammation (see the first paper for evidence that the spike causes the release of IL-6R and see the second paper for an explanation of how soluble IL-6R causes pro-inflamatory extracellular signaling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33284859/ And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491447/
Spike protein by itself causes cell damage by eliciting a pro-inflammatory response: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z
Another article that Spike protein from covid or the vaccine causes inflammation through cell signaling, this time there is evidence that the spike protein causes senescence (premature aging) signals in the cell which attracts leukocytes that cause inflammation of the cell: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21
While you state that the last study is about the spike protein from the vaccine as well, what it actually says is that it's quite unlikely to be an issue as a result of vaccination, and they didn't seem to test it either, just wondered about it.
While it's good that we track possible adverse events, this is 10 cases out of many hundreds of millions of doses of Pfizer given worldwide, hasn't been seen elsewhere that I'm aware of even though that article is from May, and it's not actually been confirmed as related to the vaccine even by the Japanese authorities as far as I'm aware. Coincidences do indeed happen at this scale.
There is no evidence that the spike protein produced via the vaccines is crossing the blood-brain-barrier and causing harm, and there's a few reasons for that, many of which Dr Derek Lowe goes over in this great article:
- The overwhelming majority of the vaccine stays around the injection site (we'll come back to this).
- The spike protein created via the vaccines is anchored to the cell that it was created in, it isn't free-floating.
- Here's an incredibly detailed article by an expert on the blood-brain-barrier that shows how even in studies where they gave rats dosages much higher than any human would get, the amount in their rat brains was 0.02%, and she makes clear that is likely an overestimation, and it goes down to 0.01% within 48 hours.
- The spike protein in the Moderna, Pfizer and J&J vaccines (and the upcoming Novavax one) also had some proline mutations introduced into it which works to keep it in its prefusion form rather than the one it adopts to bind to ACE2 and do Bad Things.
- As we've already established via the long set of citations you provided above (thanks), the spike protein from the real virus is a nasty thing, does spread around our bodies, does hurt us, can seemingly get into our brains, and as we'll go over later, is present in your body at much higher levels via actual infection than it even theoretically could be via the vaccines, so getting vaccinated is the much safer option if you want to keep spike proteins from messing with your brain.
This isn't really news, but it only happens with AZ/J&J, is incredibly rare (1 in 50,000-100,000), treatable, and if it happens, happens within a few weeks of vaccination. However the idea that it lends credence to the hypothesis of the spike protein crossing the blood/brain barrier, is not backed up simply by this.
It's an interesting theory to explain what might possibly be happening in the above incredibly rare cases with AZ/J&J, but even aside from how that article is a preprint, the actual issue in question is still incredibly rare and treatable as above.
No, this article is about how it potentially could, theoretically, cause damage. It doesn't show that actual damage has, or is, occurring as a result of the vaccines in actual people. It calls for us to monitor the vaccines to check they prove safe, which we've been doing for around 16 months since the first trials started, and at absolutely massive scale internationally for more than 8 months with billions of doses given. And though I think was just a typo on your part, obviously aside from the upcoming Novavax vaccine, none of the authorised vaccines currently contain the spike protein itself.
Edward Nirenberg has a great article going over exactly this paper, showing that amount of spike protein in question is around 100,000x lower than the level we know can cause harm. This incredibly detailed article from David Gorski goes into all of this stuff in more detail.
- It's not inherently a problem if some of the vaccine doesn't stay at the injection site, what matters is how much, and where it ends up exactly.
- The biodistribution data has been available for ages and was part of the EMA assessment of the vaccines, Bridle didn't 'unearth' anything.
- The experiment was in rats, not humans, and we are a tad different.
- What it shows is that the vast majority of the LNPs, representing the vaccine, do stay at the injection site. The link I posted before that goes over the possibility of the blood-brain-barrier stuff, goes over this particular paper in detail, notes that it was done at doses so high they're impossible to reach in humans, and only a small proportion of the LNPs, representing the vaccine, end up elsewhere
- As before, even if some do, it's still not a big issue because the spike proteins produced will be anchored inside the cell they were created in. What you raised earlier about the AZ/J&J vaccine possibly not always doing so, obviously doesn't apply to Pfizer/Moderna anyway.
- Finally, the mRNA itself obviously breaks down pretty quickly anyway.
Also, fun thing about Byram Bridle, he got a $230,000 grant from the Ontario government to develop a viral vector vaccine using the spike protein.
If they designed them that way, as you note, the immune system would likely see the LNPs right away and dispose of them, which means the vaccine couldn't work, so it seems a bit strange to criticise them for designing a vaccine so it can actually work.
While the "we" here is quite a big one, which definitely includes a lot of people who are explicitly anti-vaccine, the vast majority of evidence you've provided is evidence as to why the real coronavirus is terrible and getting vaccinated is good, and rest of it is either things we already know that are incredibly rare, things you've misunderstood, or that just aren't a problem.
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1 in 1 million, great example! Bravo for uncovering your truth.Did you actually look on the BBC for an article on her death?
Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine
Lisa Shaw developed headaches shortly after being vaccinated against Covid-19, an inquest hears.
I'm not sure why you and others think that capitalising "science" is so compelling, but anyway, this is one non peer-reviewed paper, and it contradicts other research we already have. Furthermore as I've already noted, as there's no real downside to getting vaccinated, if you've previously had COVID, getting vaccinated will ensure you have even more protection. It's all just training for your immune system, why not have more?
Huh? No vaccine is perfect, but these make it considerably less likely you'll get infected (which also means inherently less likely to pass it on), and much less likely you'll get seriously ill. Not sure what your definition of "insane" is, but it's apparently quite different than mine.
Here are the self-contradicting mental gymnastics that I have seen so far regarding the pandemic. These deniers and conspiracy theorists just can't make up their minds and get their story straight.
1. COVID is a hoax. There is no pandemic.
Then why are Chinese and other Asians being attacked, sometimes sprayed with disinfectant and accused of spreading COVID?
2. COVID is a bioweapon developed in Wuhan. It's all China's fault.
If people believe that their country is under attack from bioweapons, why aren't they taking it seriously and following public health rules?
3. COVID is China's fault because they eat bats and dogs in unsanitary conditions.
So much for "personal freedom". I think what the "personal freedom" mob really means is "When people do something that I agree with, it is personal freedom. When they do something that I disagree with, they are immoral, uncivilized, and must be stopped".
4. Everyone should be exposed to COVID so they can get sick and develop herd immunity.
At the same time, these people refuse to take the vaccine because they claim it will give them COVID and make them sick. By their own admission, isn't this what they want? Therefore, they should be all in favor of vaccination.
5. Socialism is bad. "Welfare queens" should be required to get jobs and not depend on everyone else for handouts.
At the same time, these so-called anti-socialists are fine with saying "Other people got vaccinated, so why should I have to?"
6. I read articles on Facebook and Qanon that say the vaccine is not effective and has a risk of side effects.
By waking up and stepping outside every day, these people do things every day that carry a greater risk of injury or death than the vaccine. Yet they do it anyway. Since they intentionally exaggerate the risks from the vaccine while intentionally downplaying the risks from their everyday activities, these people are in no position to portray themselves as experts in risk management. Also, people who wore seat belts have died in car accidents. Seat belts have been known to cause injuries such as broken ribs during a crash. There are police and soldiers who wore bulletproof vests and still died from being shot. Yet Representative Mo Brooks decided to wear a bulletproof vest on January 6.
7. COVID hospitalizations and death are exaggerated and falsely reported. Those people really died from something else. This is completely normal.
Suppose that all those people in the US and the rest of the world did not get sick and die from COVID. Then what are they getting sick from? What are they dying from? Is it normal for multiple states to run out of hospital ICU beds? Why is it that over 94 percent of the COVID hospitalizations are unvaccinated? But the deniers are not interested in finding the real cause of the sickness and death. All they care about is saying "Not COVID". I can imagine the following conversation:
COVID denier: We found the cause of your spouse/parent/child/relative's death. I hope this news will give you some closure.
Family of the deceased: Ok, what was it?
COVID denier: It was Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: So if it wasn't COVID, what was it?
COVID denier: As I said, it was Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: You're not answering my question. What did she die from?
COVID denier: She died from Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: You keep saying "not COVID"! Why won't you answer the question? What did she die from?
COVID denier: It was Not COVID...
These COVID deniers are probably the same people who deny that George Floyd was killed by police.
8. Vaccination is Personal Choice, Personal Responsibility.
Since drunk driving, running red lights, driving on the wrong side of the road, raping, murdering, stealing, public urination/defecation are all personal choices, does that make them ok? Is there a line between "personal freedom" and public safety, and where should it be drawn? Part of "personal responsibility" is accepting the consequences of one's actions. Where is the "personal responsibility" of anti-vaxxers who refuse to believe in modern science, get sick, then overcrowd the hospital to demand treatment, taking resources from everyone else who needs medical attention?
In the ultimate example of personal responsibility, the family of Republican Texas official H. Scott Apley, an anti-vaxxer who posted anti-vax messages on Facebook and died 5 days later from COVID, has a GoFundMe page to beg for money.
1. COVID is a hoax. There is no pandemic.
Then why are Chinese and other Asians being attacked, sometimes sprayed with disinfectant and accused of spreading COVID?
2. COVID is a bioweapon developed in Wuhan. It's all China's fault.
If people believe that their country is under attack from bioweapons, why aren't they taking it seriously and following public health rules?
3. COVID is China's fault because they eat bats and dogs in unsanitary conditions.
So much for "personal freedom". I think what the "personal freedom" mob really means is "When people do something that I agree with, it is personal freedom. When they do something that I disagree with, they are immoral, uncivilized, and must be stopped".
4. Everyone should be exposed to COVID so they can get sick and develop herd immunity.
At the same time, these people refuse to take the vaccine because they claim it will give them COVID and make them sick. By their own admission, isn't this what they want? Therefore, they should be all in favor of vaccination.
5. Socialism is bad. "Welfare queens" should be required to get jobs and not depend on everyone else for handouts.
At the same time, these so-called anti-socialists are fine with saying "Other people got vaccinated, so why should I have to?"
6. I read articles on Facebook and Qanon that say the vaccine is not effective and has a risk of side effects.
By waking up and stepping outside every day, these people do things every day that carry a greater risk of injury or death than the vaccine. Yet they do it anyway. Since they intentionally exaggerate the risks from the vaccine while intentionally downplaying the risks from their everyday activities, these people are in no position to portray themselves as experts in risk management. Also, people who wore seat belts have died in car accidents. Seat belts have been known to cause injuries such as broken ribs during a crash. There are police and soldiers who wore bulletproof vests and still died from being shot. Yet Representative Mo Brooks decided to wear a bulletproof vest on January 6.
7. COVID hospitalizations and death are exaggerated and falsely reported. Those people really died from something else. This is completely normal.
Suppose that all those people in the US and the rest of the world did not get sick and die from COVID. Then what are they getting sick from? What are they dying from? Is it normal for multiple states to run out of hospital ICU beds? Why is it that over 94 percent of the COVID hospitalizations are unvaccinated? But the deniers are not interested in finding the real cause of the sickness and death. All they care about is saying "Not COVID". I can imagine the following conversation:
COVID denier: We found the cause of your spouse/parent/child/relative's death. I hope this news will give you some closure.
Family of the deceased: Ok, what was it?
COVID denier: It was Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: So if it wasn't COVID, what was it?
COVID denier: As I said, it was Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: You're not answering my question. What did she die from?
COVID denier: She died from Not COVID.
Family of the deceased: You keep saying "not COVID"! Why won't you answer the question? What did she die from?
COVID denier: It was Not COVID...
These COVID deniers are probably the same people who deny that George Floyd was killed by police.
8. Vaccination is Personal Choice, Personal Responsibility.
Since drunk driving, running red lights, driving on the wrong side of the road, raping, murdering, stealing, public urination/defecation are all personal choices, does that make them ok? Is there a line between "personal freedom" and public safety, and where should it be drawn? Part of "personal responsibility" is accepting the consequences of one's actions. Where is the "personal responsibility" of anti-vaxxers who refuse to believe in modern science, get sick, then overcrowd the hospital to demand treatment, taking resources from everyone else who needs medical attention?
In the ultimate example of personal responsibility, the family of Republican Texas official H. Scott Apley, an anti-vaxxer who posted anti-vax messages on Facebook and died 5 days later from COVID, has a GoFundMe page to beg for money.
It's a very sad case, but it doesn't change the fact that these blood clots are only an issue with the AZ/J&J vaccines, they're incredibly rare (around 1 in 50,000-100,000 depending on age), the vast majority can be successfully treated, if it is going to happen, it'll happen within a few weeks, and most importantly of all:Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine
Lisa Shaw developed headaches shortly after being vaccinated against Covid-19, an inquest hears.
COVID itself causes far more blood clots and far more deaths.
Blood clot risk greater after Covid infection than after vaccination
Analysis of 29m people finds danger of infection with Sars-Cov-2 far outweighs the risks of having jab
It's a very sad case, but it doesn't change the fact that these blood clots are only an issue with the AZ/J&J vaccines, they're incredibly rare (around 1 in 50,000-100,000 depending on age), the vast majority can be successfully treated, if it is going to happen, it'll happen within a few weeks, and most importantly of all:
COVID itself causes far more blood clots and far more deaths.
Blood clot risk greater after Covid infection than after vaccination
Analysis of 29m people finds danger of infection with Sars-Cov-2 far outweighs the risks of having jabwww.theguardian.com
I'm very very pro vaccination - in case you've not seen my other million posts on here telling people to get vaccinated.
But, AZ should be banned until it is modified so as to not cause blod clots. Even 1:1,000,000 is too high, and frankly has totally ****ed up the message that governments have been trying to push - GET VACCINATED - because as soon as you have a headline - VACCINE CAUSED DEATH - People are going to fear getting the vaccine. You cannot have that. It is wrong.
I KNOW that the pill, for example, has a higher rate of blood clots than AZ, but that means nothing. Vaccines MUST be 100% safe. This has muddied the waters for DECADES.
I'm very very pro vaccination - in case you've not seen my other million posts on here telling people to get vaccinated.
But, AZ should be banned until it is modified so as to not cause blod clots. Even 1:1,000,000 is too high, and frankly has totally ****ed up the message that governments have been trying to push - GET VACCINATED - because as soon as you have a headline - VACCINE CAUSED DEATH - People are going to fear getting the vaccine. You cannot have that. It is wrong.
I KNOW that the pill, for example, has a higher rate of blood clots than AZ, but that means nothing. Vaccines MUST be 100% safe. This has muddied the waters for DECADES.
Vaccines must be incrementally safer than not being vaccinated. In this case, it is far safer. I agree that "Vaccine complications caused death" headlines complicate things a bit, but we need to live in a world where we can have all the information and be smart enough to weigh it.
When some of these vaccines were paused to follow up on reports of problems, it seemed to freak some people out. Personally it gave me confidence-- they were transparent in the fact that they had a hair trigger for reviewing the data and transparent in their conclusions that the benefits outweigh the risks.
When people focus on the much smaller risks in the vaccine as a reason to not get vaccinated it's a FUD tactic and is usually a sign that the person making the point is pushing an agenda or has been duped by someone who is.
Nothing is 100%. As that Guardian link points out, the risk of blood clots from the disease far exceed the risk of clots from the vaccine-- so if getting vaccinated protects you from the disease, it's a net win.
And this is focusing on the only risk of the vaccine versus one of many from the infection.
When you see a plane crash in the news, it doesn't support the argument that driving that distance would have been safer.
Nothing in life is 100% safe, that’s life.I'm very very pro vaccination - in case you've not seen my other million posts on here telling people to get vaccinated.
But, AZ should be banned until it is modified so as to not cause blod clots. Even 1:1,000,000 is too high, and frankly has totally ****ed up the message that governments have been trying to push - GET VACCINATED - because as soon as you have a headline - VACCINE CAUSED DEATH - People are going to fear getting the vaccine. You cannot have that. It is wrong.
I KNOW that the pill, for example, has a higher rate of blood clots than AZ, but that means nothing. Vaccines MUST be 100% safe. This has muddied the waters for DECADES.
Every year in Australia there are around 350,000 babies born. 95% are vaccinated, with at least 3 injections containing multiple different vaccines. So - let's say infants in Australia receive around 1,000,000 jabs each year in round figures.
We don't lose any of those babies. Nor when they get their following vaccines over the years, til the HPV which I think is one of the last at 13yo.
No deaths, for decades.
All my kids are fully vaccinated, and I've had a number of top ups as well to protect them. My 13yo got his first COVID vax last weekend, and is booked for his 2nd in October. He's getting Pfizer though - no AZ.
AZ has killed 6 people in Australia, and still has government backing. They are doing it because they know that they need us to get vaccinated, especially now Delta is ripping through NSW and soon the rest of the country, thanks to the Liberal government not locking down when they should have.
But, when you have people already spreading mis-information about the vaccine program, when you have people already spreading misinformation about COVID's mortality rate, and every other thing stopping people taking this virus seriously - we don't have room for 6 people to have died from a vaccine program.
To be clear - get vaccinated against COVID - but AZ should be banned, because no one wants to pull the trigger even with a 1:1,000,000 chance at dying.
So true! And taxes for the most part. But a goofy question, what about those people being frozen just before death, are we certain they will stay that way? I’m pretty sure, but not 100%. LOL
