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Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines

hop said:
Unfortunately that isn't true, and science, regardless of whether you write it in all caps, does not agree with that.

Not getting vaccinated means you are far more likely to get infected in the first place, and therefore how likely you are to be able to spread the virus to other people as a result.
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This is completely untrue. The SCIENCE says that those who are vaccinated have a 27 times higher risk of getting COVID and a 8 times higher risk of needing hospitalization than those who have already had COVID.

In other words, if you have already had COVID, you are MUCH safer than anybody who is vaccinated.

The sample size for this conclusion was 32,000 people.

Source paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

And here is a wonderful article on it: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties

And another article from Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...fection-better-than-pfizer-shot?sref=i4qXzk6d

A final thought. Who in their right mind would push a "vaccine" in the middle of a pandemic which allows the vaccinated person to receive the target virus AND have pass the virus on to other people? That is insane, but that is exactly what being "vaccinated" allows for.
 
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bb9 said:
“evil is when good men do nothing”

it is a medical issue, antivaxxers are effectively shutting down the communities and businesses.
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Oh they are not. "Vaccinated" people are contracting the virus AND passing it on. Absolutely insane.
 
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scuac said:
I don’t understand why people have any issues with these covid vaccines mandates. What is the issue? I cannot send my kids to school if they don’t have their MMR or a variety of other shots up to date. I could not attend college if I was not up to date on my tdap vaccine. How is this any different?
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None of those allow you to become infected with the target virus AND pass it on to other people. Consider the logic of that.

None of those have a 40% efficacy rate after 6 months.

None of those require a booster after 6 months (gee, I got two shots of medicine to prevent a disease, got the disease, maybe passed it on to other people, so I think I should definitely take more of that medicine!).
 
hop said:
It is irrelevant because the story isn’t about politicians, and the virus doesn’t care about politics in the slightest.

It’s a virus, it just wants to reproduce by invading your cells and turning them into a factories to make more copies of itself, until there’s no more room inside them, and they explode open like virus-filled water balloons and go on to infect more cells.

Vaccine mandates if you want to go to school or do particular jobs etc, particularly in the US, are nothing new.

I’d argue you’re the one who can’t see the global pandemic forest, for the “but people shouldn’t have to do a really easy free thing that protects them and others!” trees.


Not sure exactly which study you’re referring to, but I’ve seen some incredibly dodgy numbers being thrown around from there, and their stuff often seems to be a bit of an outlier compared to other places. Kentucky for example.

And of course, there’s no downside to getting vaccinated if you’ve recovered from COVID previously, it’s all just immune system training, and it’s not like you can really have too much of that.
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Those who have had COVID are 27 times LESS likely to get it than vaccinated persons and 8 times LESS likely to need hospitalization than vaccinated persons.

From Bloomberg: "Previous COVID prevents Dental infection better than the Pfizer shot". https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...fection-better-than-pfizer-shot?sref=i4qXzk6d

From Science: "Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine". https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties
 
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code-m said:
You do understand the definition of coercion, by painting people into a corner either to get what you want or loose your job is by definition “forcing”.
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Employers have the right to do that.

Get vaccinated.

Get back in the office.

Or take a hike.​

 
COVID - Political???

Here in Australia the Liberal Party (aka Republican equivalent) in our 2nd biggest state has just unleashed COVID on the WHOLE country by not locking down when they could and should have.

Even when they started locking down, they did it bit by bit, letting it continue to spread, after knowing how dangerous Delta is, and having seen how Labor states have contained it by LOCKING DOWN.

In the USA, you can see which states are Republican by the number of deaths.

Tell me this isn't political.
 
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This makes me less inclined to go into a physical Apple Store. It’s nice to know that the employees have been vaccinated. In CA all hospitals are required to only employ fully vaccinated staff by the end of next month.
 
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hop said:
I'm not sure what you apparently do at a hospital, but this post is misinformation 101:

  1. The PCR test is incredibly accurate and reliable, and while there are now even more tests available, PCR isn't going anywhere:

    fullfact.org

    The CDC has not said PCR tests don’t work – Full Fact

    The CDC has announced it will no longer request authorisation for one type of PCR test. It is recommending others instead because they are more efficient.
    fullfact.org fullfact.org

  2. Hospitals are not paid more if someone dies of COVID:

    fox11online.com

    Fact check: How are COVID-19 deaths counted, do hospitals get money for COVID-19 deaths?

    (WLUK) -- Since the pandemic started, FOX 11 has received questions from viewers asking if hospitals are being paid for every COVID-19 death, and questions about how COVID deaths are counted. How COVID-19 deaths are counted. Determining the cause of death is up to a coroner, medical examiner or...
    fox11online.com fox11online.com

  3. You're literally alleging a massive conspiracy where doctors and nurses work to falsify medical records and death certificates for some reason, without any evidence to back it up.

  4. Anyone who makes these arguments that are easily disproved with 2 minutes of Googling, and/or are conspiracy theories with zero evidence to back them up, sure are something.
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Cute, your “fact checks” are all leftist confirmation bias echo chambers. Well done scientist.
 
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Mansu944 said:
Mandates are going down in flames. Americans ain’t having it.
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Some Americans “ain’t”. Most know what’s up. I don’t know about the anti vaccine crowd. It’s like they were dropped on their head, and lost all semblance of intelligence. Vaccine science was taught in elementary school, but no one seems to remember it.
 
being anti-vax is just another stupid american thing. No wonder covid cases are still rising in the US. Your "freedom" can't endanger public health.
 
currocj said:
Cute, your “fact checks” are all leftist confirmation bias echo chambers. Well done scientist.
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At least those "fact checks" have clickable links to verify where the information came from. Maybe you should try doing that? Or are you too afraid to mention Tucker Carlson's name?
 
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farewelwilliams said:
should mandate it. weed out the people who are antivax.
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Article on how the Covid19 spike protein crosses the blood-brain barrier: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999612030406X?via=ihub

Japanese article on how the Pfizer vax is associated with brain hemorrhaging (lending credence to the hypothesis that the spike proteins are crossing the blood brain barrier in some people): https://joppp.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40545-021-00326-7

Article on how AstraZeneca is associated with blood clots in the brain (lending more credence to the hypothesis that the spike proteins are crossing the blood brain barrier in some people): https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840

Article on how the Covid19 spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor of our platelets to cause bloodclots: https://jhoonline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13045-020-00954-7

Article explaining that blood clots from the spike protein interacting with our platelets are associated with both COVID-19 infection and vaccination: https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003648

Article explains that just the S1 subunit of the spike protein can cause platelets to clot: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.05.21252960v1

Article with evidence that spike proteins do end up circulating in the blood, when they're not supposed to, they're supposed to be anchored on the cell membranes: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075

More evidence that spike proteins do not stay on the cell membranes but end up circulating in the blood. This study aims to explain the blood clots caused by the J&J and AstraZeneca adenovector vaccines, they claim that the DNA isn't properly spliced and the spike proteins end up in the blood causing thrombosis when the spikes attach to the ACE2 receptors of the endothelial cells: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

Article on how the spike protein can cause neurodegeneration: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2100499X?via=ihub

Journal article with evidence that the spike protein by itself can damage cells by binding to ACE2, causing the cells mitochondria to lose their shape and break apart: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

Article on how the spike protein in vaccines can cause cell damage via cell signaling: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/

Article that when the spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor it causes the release of soluble IL-6R which acts as a extracellular signal which causes inflammation (see the first paper for evidence that the spike causes the release of IL-6R and see the second paper for an explanation of how soluble IL-6R causes pro-inflamatory extracellular signaling: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33284859/ And https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491447/

Another article that Spike protein from covid or the vaccine causes inflammation through cell signaling, this time there is evidence that the spike protein causes senescence (premature aging) signals in the cell which attracts leukocytes that cause inflammation of the cell: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.00794-21

Spike protein by itself causes cell damage by eliciting a pro-inflammatory response: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-021-01332-z

Biodistribution data:-

Pfizer animal testing document that was obtained by Dr. Byram Bridle through a FOI request to the Japanese government which shows the biodistribution of the lipid-nano particles throughout the bodies and organs of the test subjects. This is evidence that the lipid nanoparticles do not stay in the injecton site, but instead travel all throughout the body (go to pg 16/23 for the charts showing biodistribution over the course of 48hrs): https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

Addendum to the above link. This blog post provides easy to understand information (with pictures) on the make-up of the lipid nanoparticles used in the Covid19 vaccines. It shows that the pharmaceutical companies could have designed them to have targeting ligands on the outside, so that the nanoparticles would only transfect the muscle cells. But instead the vax was designed with PEG polymers on the outside, so that the immune system will not be able to pick them up and put them in the trash. The PEG is what Byram Bridle says is the reason the vaccine travels throughout the body and since it does not have targeting ligands, it can transfect any type of cell: https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/understanding-nanotechnology-covid-19-vaccines

We aren’t anti-vaccine. We just don’t like this particular one and how it’s made
 
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