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Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines
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I think you missed my larger point?
I've already been down this particular rabbit hole, only from the opposite side of the argument upon which I now find myself. Suffice it to say I've seen so much conflicting information (and, yes, eliminating the wild-eyed theories from the tin foil hat crowd) that I find myself unconvinced this is necessarily true, either.
It would seem the infectiousness (R0) of SARS-Cov-2 is higher than that of most seasonal influenza. And it would appear the mortality rate (CFR) of Covid-19 is higher than that of seasonal influenza infections, but the data collection, compilation, analyses, and reporting have been so varied and so conflicting I no longer know who or what to believe. So I'm left believing only the evidence of my own eyes.
They also approved cigarettes? What’s your point lol
Gaslighting 101: lie through your teeth.
I work at a hospital, this is how the great sham works:
1) The PCR test is so unreliable it has been exposed and they will end it use at the end 2021
2) 2020: any one with COVID in their pinky toe who dies counts as a COVID death (and the org gets $12k more!) the key to fear pr0n material. It has NOTHING to do with their co-morbidities only scary COVID.
3) 2021: Anyone unvaccinated with COVID in the Hospital/dies is because they are unvaccinated #webelieveinscience -AND- anyone vaccinated and COVID positive in the hospital is not because of COVID oh no! It's because of: some co-morbidity. Voila! Everyone in the hospital with COVID is a flat farther unvaccinated leper and dumber than a bag of rocks.
4) Anyone who questions 1, 2, or 3 is evil, dumb, selfish, and brain washed.
in California they've decriminalized someone with HIV lying/withholding that info and giving it to someone else. HIV. Just think about that one.
Also, when you say unvaccinated do you mean with or without natural (and superior at 7x) immunity?
Sorry to hear, and any decent person wishes this man a full and speedy recovery.
330 million Americans, and here is one data point. We simply want the real facts and real numbers on this flu like COVID but apparently that is impossible to find.
Fatsos going to get charged a premium? Smokers (harm others too)? Diabetics cost insurance companies millions? Druggies? Pot heads? Any premium there? What about heavy drinkers? Those exhausted livers can be costly you know.
Just curious if you are also all for these premium bumps for these 'choices'
The life you are enjoying now is over, food stamps and the projects for you.
But, let's not call it "forcing"
The FDA pulled the Swine Flu vaccine after 25 deaths.
Explain that one, VAERS has over 12,000 deaths from COVID vaccines.
If I choose not to be vaccinated, that does NOT put others at risk (SCIENCE agrees with this), and it's my right to put myself at such risk. Simple as that.
Missed this one, sorry @cola79.
The currently authorised vaccines work by delivering either mRNA or DNA instructions to some of your cells, which causes the ribosomes (like protein printers) within them to produce a small piece of the coronavirus itself called the spike protein. This protein ends up anchored in place sticking out of the cell that made it, at which point your immune system can then see it, and learn to recognise and destroy it, just like it would with a subunit vaccine, only the overwhelming majority of the immune response takes place near the injection site. Note: it is impossible for them to change your DNA as neither mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) or viral vector vaccines which use DNA (AZ and J&J) have the fancy enzymes to do it, and the mRNA vaccines can't even physically get into the nucleus where your DNA is.
Funnily enough though, I am personally in a clinical trial for new vaccine which is an inactivated whole virus vaccine, but although I certainly hope that it proves to be safe and effective and gets authorised (in part because G7 countries are being really crap at following through on their commitments to those of us in trials when it comes to counting us as vaccinated for travel purposes), we currently do not know if it will prove to be. Even if our trial reports good results, it has nowhere near the number of participants as the trials for the mRNA/viral vector vaccines that are already available, and nowhere near the duration of testing either. The first people who ever got the vaccine being tested in my trial, got it earlier this year. The mRNA/viral vector vaccine trials started around 16 months ago, and we've now got more than 8 months of real world data with billions of doses given around the world, confirming they're safe and effective.
Firstly I'm assuming that you're talking about cases rather than hospitalisations and deaths, and this is likely due to the fact that the Delta variant is much more infectious than previous variants. Studies have shown people with Delta have viral loads more than 1,000 times higher than with previous variants, and are contagious earlier as well:
www.nature.com
Secondly, though we had cases rise here in the UK as Delta took hold and we (stupidly) got rid of other public health measures that constrained the spread, this graph comparing our second and third waves in terms of cases versus deaths, pretty unambiguously shows the huge difference the vaccines have made.
Finally, there is no evidence whatsoever that doing this will kill people, and in terms of the idea that it weakens the immune system? It literally does the exact opposite, that's the whole point. All vaccines are just a training session for your immune system. It strengthens it by giving it practice destroying something that looks like the real pathogen, causing it to create a load of protective antibodies and t/b-cells which will then roundly kick the arse of the real pathogen if you're exposed to it in future.
They are definitely vaccines. A vaccine does not need to include the full virus, either attenuated or dead, in order to be considered a vaccine. Subunit vaccines use a small piece of the pathogen have been around for a long time, and include the widely used hepatitis B and acellular pertussis vaccines.
The currently authorised vaccines work by delivering either mRNA or DNA instructions to some of your cells, which causes the ribosomes (like protein printers) within them to produce a small piece of the coronavirus itself called the spike protein. This protein ends up anchored in place sticking out of the cell that made it, at which point your immune system can then see it, and learn to recognise and destroy it, just like it would with a subunit vaccine, only the overwhelming majority of the immune response takes place near the injection site. Note: it is impossible for them to change your DNA as neither mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) or viral vector vaccines which use DNA (AZ and J&J) have the fancy enzymes to do it, and the mRNA vaccines can't even physically get into the nucleus where your DNA is.
There is no evidence of people being worse off if exposed to the virus after being vaccinated, it's very much the opposite. Unfortunately the COVID vaccines, like all vaccines, aren't perfect, as they're only an immune system training session. They can't magically make the immune system of a 90 year old as good as one of a healthy 20 year old, but they do unambiguously make it much less likely that you'll be infected, and much less likely that you'll get really ill and possibly die. That a small number of people still do, doesn't mean they don't work, it means they aren't perfect, just like how some people still die in car accidents even if they're wearing a seatbelt.
The outcome is massively based on the virus and whether people were previously vaccinated, especially because we still have somewhat limited actual treatments for those who are having serious cases.
While I don't knot where you are to confirm those numbers, I'm pleased to hear that few people have apparently died there. However it's not just that COVID can kill you, it's that it can make you very sick, and many (10-30%) of people are left with persistent symptoms after that (long COVID). I've got multiple friends in their 30s who are still very sick, many months after having COVID. There's increasingly strong evidence that the virus itself can actually get into the brain, which would also help explain this study that shows that many people who've previously been infected have lasting cognitive damage.
There are very many different things that help children build up their immune systems, but vaccines are actively one of the best ways for them to do so, which is why we vaccine children against a whole range of diseases, rather than risk them catching them and potentially getting very ill. Plus, obviously the COVID vaccines only provide protection against the coronavirus itself, kids can and will still get colds etc. Them getting vaccinated absolutely will not worsen their life expectancy.
I've already gone over why there really isn't anything to worry about there, especially considering the huge trials conducted around the world (the first ones started around 16 months ago), and the massive amount of data we've collected since they were authorised and billions of doses have been given. I wrote more about this in this earlier reply as well.
Funnily enough though, I am personally in a clinical trial for new vaccine which is an inactivated whole virus vaccine, but although I certainly hope that it proves to be safe and effective and gets authorised (in part because G7 countries are being really crap at following through on their commitments to those of us in trials when it comes to counting us as vaccinated for travel purposes), we currently do not know if it will prove to be. Even if our trial reports good results, it has nowhere near the number of participants as the trials for the mRNA/viral vector vaccines that are already available, and nowhere near the duration of testing either. The first people who ever got the vaccine being tested in my trial, got it earlier this year. The mRNA/viral vector vaccine trials started around 16 months ago, and we've now got more than 8 months of real world data with billions of doses given around the world, confirming they're safe and effective.
Sorry, but both masks (1, 2) and lockdowns (1, 2) have been proven to significantly reduce transmission and overall outcomes.
Even if that is true, correlation is not causation.
Firstly I'm assuming that you're talking about cases rather than hospitalisations and deaths, and this is likely due to the fact that the Delta variant is much more infectious than previous variants. Studies have shown people with Delta have viral loads more than 1,000 times higher than with previous variants, and are contagious earlier as well:
How the Delta variant achieves its ultrafast spread
Viral load is roughly 1,000 times higher in people infected with the Delta variant than those infected with the original coronavirus strain, according to a study in China.
www.nature.com
Secondly, though we had cases rise here in the UK as Delta took hold and we (stupidly) got rid of other public health measures that constrained the spread, this graph comparing our second and third waves in terms of cases versus deaths, pretty unambiguously shows the huge difference the vaccines have made.
There's currently an active debate about whether booster vaccinations are needed, I haven't seen anyone actually propose "every 6 months", in part because protection tends to builds over time, and my expectation is that they're only going to be actively needed by the most vulnerable, particularly those who are actively immunosuppressed. That said, many commonly used vaccines against other diseases have a third dose, and annual flu vaccines have been a thing for ages, especially because vaccinating against respiratory diseases has always been a challenge.
Finally, there is no evidence whatsoever that doing this will kill people, and in terms of the idea that it weakens the immune system? It literally does the exact opposite, that's the whole point. All vaccines are just a training session for your immune system. It strengthens it by giving it practice destroying something that looks like the real pathogen, causing it to create a load of protective antibodies and t/b-cells which will then roundly kick the arse of the real pathogen if you're exposed to it in future.
I'm not sure what you apparently do at a hospital, but this post is misinformation 101:
- The PCR test is incredibly accurate and reliable, and while there are now even more tests available, PCR isn't going anywhere:
The CDC has not said PCR tests don’t work – Full Fact
The CDC has announced it will no longer request authorisation for one type of PCR test. It is recommending others instead because they are more efficient.
fullfact.org
- Hospitals are not paid more if someone dies of COVID:
Fact check: How are COVID-19 deaths counted, do hospitals get money for COVID-19 deaths?
(WLUK) -- Since the pandemic started, FOX 11 has received questions from viewers asking if hospitals are being paid for every COVID-19 death, and questions about how COVID deaths are counted. How COVID-19 deaths are counted. Determining the cause of death is up to a coroner, medical examiner or...
fox11online.com
- You're literally alleging a massive conspiracy where doctors and nurses work to falsify medical records and death certificates for some reason, without any evidence to back it up.
- Anyone who makes these arguments that are easily disproved with 2 minutes of Googling, and/or are conspiracy theories with zero evidence to back them up, sure are something.
please explain the cognitive dissonance between being against fascism and taking action to mitigate the spread of a deadly disease?
I don’t understand why people have any issues with these covid vaccines mandates. What is the issue? I cannot send my kids to school if they don’t have their MMR or a variety of other shots up to date. I could not attend college if I was not up to date on my tdap vaccine. How is this any different?
I don’t know any university that has not asked for up to date vaccination record.
So to be clear:
- You've stated a load of inaccurate/disproven things about why you won't get vaccinated, and complained that when you were in a hospital, trusting doctors and nurses with your care, they didn't spend enough time trying to convince you to get vaccinated.
- I then spend a load of time doing what you complained they didn't bother to, going through every single point you've raised in detail, explaining why getting vaccinated is important, why the vaccines are safe, how they work, why the things you've heard aren't correct etc., and providing evidence to back it all up, and offering to try to clarify any other concerns you have.
- You then assert that you have "credible counters" to all of the things I've gone over, but you just aren't going to tell me what they are, because.. sometimes information can be conflicting and you can't be bothered to? Sure..
Come on @currocj, if you're gonna post misinformation, at least have the decency to put it into one post rather than multiple ones in a row!
It's still punishable by up to 6 months in jail, it's just not a felony anymore.
The evidence on whether natural immunity is better is pretty mixed, here's a study from Kentucky showing that vaccinated folks had a 2.34x lower rate of hospitalisation than those who were previously infected. Pretty much every major medical/scientific organisation agree that it's better to get vaccinated than to risk infection, alongside that getting vaccinated if you've previously had COVID gives you much better protection that just the latter alone.
It's not impossible to find at all, unfortunately if you believe all the stats are a conspiracy, I can't help you.
That's very easy to explain, because VAERS does not show that:
The thing is that as great as the vaccines are, they don't actually make you immortal, so especially as we started by vaccinating the oldest and most vulnerable people first, it's entirely to be expected that some people would die after vaccination. However as the CDC explain above, that doesn't mean that getting vaccinated is why someone died after they got vaccinated, just as if you die two weeks after going to McDonald's, it doesn't mean it was the McNuggets that killed you.
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One more time.
Getting vaccinated is an intelligence test that morons fail.
Getting vaccinated is an intelligence test that morons fail.
Unfortunately that isn't true, and science, regardless of whether you write it in all caps, does not agree with that.
Not getting vaccinated means you are far more likely to get infected in the first place, and therefore how likely you are to be able to spread the virus to other people as a result.
Plus as your immune system probably won't already have antibodies and t/b-cells trained to recognise and destroy the virus, you'll likely be sicker, and therefore infectious, for longer. And for the same reason, your body is also a perfect breeding ground for the virus to mutate unchecked, potentially creating new variants that are more infectious/deadly/able to escape the protection from the vaccines.
And of course, while the vaccines are really effective at preventing serious cases, unfortunately some people truly cannot get vaccinated, whether because of their age, or if they have an allergy to an ingredient in the vaccines, and even of those who can, those who have weaker immune systems to begin with, whether because of age, health issues, or both, are still at higher risk of getting seriously ill if exposed to the virus.
Finally, as people who don't get vaccinated are far more likely to get seriously ill and end up in hospital, surges in cases can overwhelm local hospitals and make it so that even those who don't have COVID, but urgently need medical care, can't get it. As in this terrible case, though there are others too:
Veteran dies of treatable illness as COVID fills hospital beds, leaving doctors "playing musical chairs"
The surge in new COVID cases is putting an enormous strain on hospitals, jeopardizing patients who cannot get the medical attention they need because of a lack of space.
www.cbsnews.com
What you do here does put others at risk. Sure, you can choose to do that, but do you really want to be responsible for this kind of thing?
I already went over this when you said it before:
Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines
I know this story is floating around, but it isn't true/is incredibly misleading. The first trials for the authorised started around 16 months ago, and the last stage (P3) reported its results last year/early this year. They were peer reviewed, published in medical journals (Pfizer, Moderna...
forums.macrumors.com
Stop spreading lies, fool.
VERIFY: No, the FDA does not approve tobacco products
After the FDA approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine Monday, many skeptics are saying the FDA also approved cigarettes. But is that true?
www.firstcoastnews.com
Apple is further pushing its employees in the United States to get vaccinated now that the Food and Drug Administration has officially approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, reports Bloomberg.
Apple has launched a new internal web page, sent out an employee memo, and is holding internal talks as part of its vaccination campaign.The webpage Apple has created explains the delta variant and how getting vaccinated can help prevent its spread. Apple is also offering vouchers for employees to get vaccinated through Walgreens, and it is providing on-site vaccinations in the San Francisco Bay Area and Austin, Texas. Apple gives employees paid time off for vaccine appointments and paid sick leave for those who experience side effects.
Apple is not mandating that its employees get vaccinated, which is a departure from other tech companies in the area. Both Google and Facebook are requiring employees to be vaccinated, but according to Bloomberg, Apple has not done so for the sake of employee privacy.
Earlier this month, Apple implemented more frequent testing for corporate and retail employees, asking them to take COVID-19 tests up to three times per week.
Apple initially planned to have employees return to work for three days a week in September, but with cases continuing to ramp up, corporate employees will be able to work from home until at least January 2022.
Article Link: Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines
“evil is when good men do nothing”
it is a medical issue, antivaxxers are effectively shutting down the communities and businesses.