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Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines
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Has the CDC, NIH, FDA or Vaccine manufacturer even done studies and trials on mixing vaccines or was the person you personally know used as an experiment subject by their doctor.
NIH clinical trial evaluating mixed COVID-19 vaccine schedules begins
Trial to evaluate safety, immunogenicity of various vaccine booster regimens.
www.nih.gov
That poster is providing an example, I find nothing racist in that example or inciting another to take any action.
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Has the CDC, NIH, FDA or Vaccine manufacturer even done studies and trials on mixing vaccines or was the person you personally know used as an experiment subject by their doctor.
NIH clinical trial evaluating mixed COVID-19 vaccine schedules begins
Trial to evaluate safety, immunogenicity of various vaccine booster regimens.
Re-read what the CDC recommended. CDC recommended those who are allergic to discuss with their doctor to see if cross vaccination is the right choice for them.
I did not say CDC recommended mixing vaccines
I think this is the problem you have. You don't read any links that are handed to you and you immediately get defensive.
Insulting. Reported. Not going to talk with you anymore. Here I thought we were having a civilized debate but you resorted to this awful type of behavior.
So you are dismissing my point and fact that even if fully vaccinated it does not stop infection or illness. But you insist that fully vaccination is the answer.
Riddle me this: What is that eventual game plan, let’s say the entire US is 100% fully vaccinated and cases, transmission, infection, illness, hospitalization and death still are elevated crushing the medical system, what next Sherlock?
They provided an example by comparing a long list of people who have done no harm to anyone around them with a group who does.
How is that insulting in any way? I hear you, cannot defend yourself don’t want to share your ball so throw a fit and go home. Got it.
No studies or trials have been done with mixing vaccines how is your doctor making this decision. If the patient died who is going to wear it the doctor, nah I forgot under EUA everyone has immunity from liability, got it.
I wonder if this would change if employees refused to come back to the office without a such a mandate.
Despite the overbearing presence in forums like this, the anti-vaxers are a minority view, especially among people educated enough to work at Apple. In Santa Clara county, where Cupertino is, 84% of people over 18 are fully vaccinated. If the majority were as unaccommodating of that minority view as the vocal minority is of everyone else, this would get reduced to a sidebar discussion about how to accommodate the religious freedoms of a very small number of people.
Despite the overbearing presence in forums like this, the anti-vaxers are a minority view, especially among people educated enough to work at Apple. In Santa Clara county, where Cupertino is, 84% of people over 18 are fully vaccinated. If the majority were as unaccommodating of that minority view as the vocal minority is of everyone else, this would get reduced to a sidebar discussion about how to accommodate the religious freedoms of a very small number of people.
Mixing COVID-19 vaccines appears to boost immune responses
Findings from combination studies support measures to stretch supplies, avoid side effects
Maybe the example was in poor taste, I just don’t get the overreaction by the other poster. People need to chill and tone down the “woke-ness”.
Disclosure: I have friends from many faiths and they are confused as to people who don’t follow their faith get all up in arms over the mentioned through example. Now if someone is posting hate speech to act on that is unacceptable.
I know this story is floating around, but it isn't true/is incredibly misleading.
The first trials for the authorised started around 16 months ago, and the last stage (P3) reported its results last year/early this year. They were peer reviewed, published in medical journals (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J), and on the basis of that, authorised for use by regulators around the world. As is totally normal, some of the trials are continuing to check in with participants, but the only thing they're still really checking is how long the protection from them lasts.
In case anyone is still worrying about the possibility of long term side effects:
Vaccines are just an immune system training session, so are only in your system for a few weeks or so before being destroyed by your immune system and broken down by your body, with the mRNA vaccines themselves being destroyed even more quickly. Your immune system then creates protective antibodies and t-cells to recognise and destroy anything that looks like what the vaccine put in you, in the future, like the real coronavirus, just as it would with a real infection.
This is probably why in the history of all vaccines, it’s never taken more than about 2 months for a side effect to occur after vaccination. After all, it’s a bit hard to get a side effect from something that hasn’t been in you for many months/years. And again, remember that the first trials started more than 8x longer ago than that 2 month window.
This thread from an immunologist goes over what happens in more detail.
Even though Delta is much more infectious, the vaccines make it significantly less likely you'll get infected to begin with, as well as ensuring that if you do, your immune system will already have protective antibodies and t-cells to kick its arse and help you recover, and therefore not be infectious anymore, more quickly.
This isn't true. The efficacy of the authorised vaccines against Delta is much higher than that, and much higher than that when it comes to preventing serious cases that cause hospitalisation and death.
What? The main Pfizer trial involved 43,448 participants in multiple countries.
Greetings from the UK, where 88.2% of those eligible to be vaccinated (16+) are vaccinated, with the chart below showing our second and third waves, with the difference between the two being our vaccine rollout.
It's terms of some vaccinated people still ending up in hospital, it's just the fact that we're so highly vaccinated, combined with how the vaccines are really effective, but not perfect, that makes it an inevitability. Like how almost everyone who dies in a car accident was wearing a seatbelt, isn't evidence that seatbelts don't massively reduce the number of people who are seriously injured or killed, instead that they're overwhelmingly commonly worn, but not magic.
Aside from how antibody levels declining was expected, fortunately they aren't the only part of our immune response, and the evidence shows that there's still a lot of t and b-cells left over as well.
In terms of ADE, how about you read up on how there is no sign of ADE with these vaccines, all the evidence says the opposite.
Them unblinding participants (telling people who got the placebo and who didn't) after the phase 3 results were published, and offering those in the placebo group the real thing, does not "taint" the study group, nor invalidate any of the study results in any way. Furthermore, it would have been a violation of medical ethics for them to not do so once the vaccine was authorised, and would have been utterly impractical as well, as many/most participants would have simply quit the study and gotten vaccinated regardless.
This is why the vaccine study that I'm in, which started after vaccines had been authorised, is comparing the new one to an existing one, as it'd have been unethical to make it placebo controlled, and incredibly difficult to get participants to sign up for at this point if it had been.
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Are you referring to the air one breathes? Food perhaps? Most modern countries have reports on air quality and one can choose ways to control the air they breathe, via home/office purifiers, or moving. Food? Folks have the right to grow and/or purchase organic. It's actually pretty easy to get an idea of what you're taking in, should you choose to do so.
That article claims “boost immune response” and studies are required to see if it’s safe and effective it also has a published date of June 9th, 2021. No long term studies or trials, no mention of waning antibodies and how long and concentration of neutralizing antibodies.Mixing COVID-19 vaccines appears to boost immune responses
Findings from combination studies support measures to stretch supplies, avoid side effectswww.sciencemag.org
You said no studies. You were wrong.
”Canada and several European countries are now recommending a different vaccine for the second dose in some patients. Early data suggest the approach, born of necessity, may actually be beneficial.”
There’s also an uncontrolled study going on in Canada and several European countires, and I’ve heard nothing so far of widespread disaster.
Is there a reason why WHO is against mixing vaccines and has the US officially supported such measures. It also depends on when the personal friend of the poster received the recommendation to mix vaccines from their doctor.
Indeed, we definitely do have studies already completed showing this works well, and it fits with what's been done historically with other vaccines too:
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Plus we've got more studies being done as I type, science is awesome. It's also going to be really interesting to see the results of COV-Boost, partly because they're trying so many different options for boosters, including the vaccine that I'm in the phase 3 trial for, and a bunch of others, and even trying half doses for some of them as well.
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Last year, Pelosi said the federal government " mandate vaccines, saying "it's a matter of privacy"
Last year, Pelosi said the federal government, mandate vaccines ," saying "it's a matter of privacy."
rumble.com
The only way to protect people from forced exposure to a foreign pathogen is for those around them to step up and get vaccinated. We’re being forced to interact with one foreign substance or another— one that science tells us is high risk and contagious or another that science tells us is low risk and protects us and those around us.
Whatever happened to “They are a private company and can make their own policy?”
Or this one doesn’t fit your narrative this time?
Last year, Pelosi said the federal government " mandate vaccines, saying "it's a matter of privacy"
Last year, Pelosi said the federal government, mandate vaccines ," saying "it's a matter of privacy."
The grammar is so broken on that post and article that I can’t tell what it means. That’s probably evidence of the quality of the source.
[Edit:]Looks like my instincts were right:
https://slate.com/technology/2021/03/youtube-rumble-vaccine-misinformation.html
https://www.wired.com/story/rumble-sends-viewers-tumbling-toward-misinformation/
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Yeah, plus I don't really get why what Nancy Pelosi might have said last year, matters here? I mean unless I missed a load of people here pledging undying loyalty to going along with what she might have said in 2020, how is it relevant?
Nothing about this statement is true.