Apple Expands Efforts to Vaccinate Employees, But Doesn't Mandate Vaccines

jz0309 said:
they should just mandate it. period. end of story.
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No. But those that choose not to have it should expect some liberties to be curtailed. I don't mean be ridiculous and put them under house arrest or something stupid like that. Remember that the vaccine doesn't give you complete protection and that invariably misinformation, dishonesty and lack of accountability by yourselves and your government have led us to this.
They should be required to mask up in public settings like shops and workplaces.
Be prepared to have no go/no service areas.
 
code-m said:
Are your purposely choosing to disregard what outcome highly vaccinated countries are going through presently such as Israel, Seychelles, UK, Iceland and Gibraltar. Even if you are fully vaccinated and even got a booster it will not matter. What is the point of mandating a leaky or ineffective short lived vaccine of less than 3-6 months.
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Iceland hasn't had a covid related death since May. They have only 18 people hospitalised even with a high number of cases compared to around 70 hospitalised before the vaccines had rolled out to a large degree.

We see the same here in Norway. Record number of new cases each day now (yesterday we had 3 times as many new cases as the worst day in March 2020). The number of Norwegian having Covid-19 right now is the highest we ever had. Yet, only 60 people hospitalised against 325 in March 2020.

So the vaccines helps avoiding death and serious illness.
 
code-m said:
You don’t believe people are injured by vaccines either past or present.

www.reuters.com

A ‘black hole’ for COVID vaccine injury claims

Altom Maglio says his law firm in recent years has litigated more vaccine-related injury claims than any other in the United States.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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People have died from the vaccines, esp. from the AstraZeneca.

Every form of medicine or pharmaceutical ever developed has had ill effects on some people. That's not a problem as long as the probability is very low.

It's a probability game.
 
SFjohn said:
There are so many states where it is illegal to transmit HIV (even with disclosures) why don’t we do the same for COVID? [sure HIV people are gross & COVID people are innocent-really?]
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There is at least 1 major difference however... one is passably by breathing in someone's general vacinity... the other is passable by sex. Accidental passing of COVID is entirely possible without any knowledge that you have even become infected.

Oh wait... you weren't being serious, perhaps?
 
Blackstick said:
My coworker thought that way... he's been in the hospital for 2 weeks, moved into the ICU last Monday. Per his wife, prognosis is not great. He's on a heart-lung machine, but he can't ween off the ventilator, his O2 level crashes, lungs look like they're covered in a cloud. Tried all the conventional therapies.

Wishes he got the vaccine now. Too late...
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One of the people that I know got a blood clot and passed away after receiving a vaccine.
Every single person that has gotten AstraZeneca has had bad side effects and one girl that I know got Covid and then she got vaccinated and she says she has never felt that bad in her entire life.

I'd also like to mention that my brother and father are also vaccinated and they received Pfizer and nothing happened to them.

Also, yesterday 20% of people that were vaccinated fully ended up in the hospital yesterday because they got Covid. It's all just a Russian roulette.
 
hans1972 said:
Iceland hasn't had a covid related death since May. They have only 18 people hospitalised even with a high number of cases compared to around 70 hospitalised before the vaccines had rolled out to a large degree.

We see the same here in Norway. Record number of new cases each day now (yesterday we had 3 times as many new cases as the worst day in March 2020). The number of Norwegian having Covid-19 right now is the highest we ever had. Yet, only 60 people hospitalised against 325 in March 2020.

So the vaccines helps avoiding death and serious illness.
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What happened to the nurse who died after AstraZeneca? I know Norway banned AZ after that, but what happened after that?
Haven't heard about it anymore.

A healthy, young male nurse also died in my country after receiving AZ.
 
iHorseHead said:
What happened to the nurse who died after AstraZeneca? I know Norway banned AZ after that, but what happened after that?
Haven't heard about it anymore.

A healthy, young male nurse also died in my country after receiving AZ.
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Out of how many vaccinations?
People do drop dead, you know, not due to the vaccine.
 
6 confirmed deaths in Australia from people receiving AZ. Out of over 6 millions injections.

YES! I absolutely agree that is 6 too many. In Australia, we have not had 1 death from ANY vaccination in over 30 years.

Then, I look at America. I look at India. I look at the UK. Hundreds of thousands dead from CORONA.

And I still say that AZ should be banned. It should be stopped worldwide in favour of Pfizer or something else.

Absolutely agree. Ban AZ.

BUT GET IMMUNISED.
 
cosmichobo said:
6 confirmed deaths in Australia from people receiving AZ. Out of over 6 millions injections.

YES! I absolutely agree that is 6 too many. In Australia, we have not had 1 death from ANY vaccination in over 30 years.

Then, I look at America. I look at India. I look at the UK. Hundreds of thousands dead from CORONA.

And I still say that AZ should be banned. It should be stopped worldwide in favour of Pfizer or something else.

Absolutely agree. Ban AZ.

BUT GET IMMUNISED.
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I agree. And people are dying of AZ every single day and every single person that I know has felt super sick after receiving AZ and when you get vaccinated, you can't choose the vaccination.
I don't want AZ and it wont help against the Delta variant anyway.
 
iHorseHead said:
One of the people that I know got a blood clot and passed away after receiving a vaccine.
Every single person that has gotten AstraZeneca has had bad side effects and one girl that I know got Covid and then she got vaccinated and she says she has never felt that bad in her entire life.

I'd also like to mention that my brother and father are also vaccinated and they received Pfizer and nothing happened to them.

Also, yesterday 20% of people that were vaccinated fully ended up in the hospital yesterday because they got Covid. It's all just a Russian roulette.
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1. I’m sorry to hear about your friend, but the risk of a (normally treatable) blood clot with the Oxford/AZ vaccine is around 1 in 50,000 for those who are younger, your odds of literally dying in a car accident here are around 1 in 240. You’re also much more likely to get a blood clot from COVID itself:

www.theguardian.com

Blood clot risk greater after Covid infection than after vaccination

Analysis of 29m people finds danger of infection with Sars-Cov-2 far outweighs the risks of having jab
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

2. Side effect rates between Oxford/AZ and the other vaccines aren’t actually that different in practice, and it’s definitely not that “everyone” who gets it experiences them. The side effects are as a result of your innate immune system responding to what it thinks is a threat after all.

3. It’s not Russian roulette when those who are vaccinated are much less likely to end up in hospital or die compared to those who are unvaccinated. Vaccines are like seatbelts, incredibly effective at preventing serious injuries and deaths, but not able to prevent all of them.
 
iHorseHead said:
I agree. And people are dying of AZ every single day and every single person that I know has felt super sick after receiving AZ and when you get vaccinated, you can't choose the vaccination.
I don't want AZ and it wont help against the Delta variant anyway.
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This is just not true, the number of deaths actually attributable to AZ is tiny, especially compared to the number of lives saved, and it is effective against Delta.
 
hop said:
This is just not true, the number of deaths actually attributable to AZ is tiny, especially compared to the number of lives saved, and it is effective against Delta.
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How do you know it has saved a large numbers of lives when it's still so new? How do you exactly know that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57549796 Many countries have banned AZ.

3. Everyone that I personally know that have had COVID have not ended up in a hospital anyway, so… Still, you can't force people to be labour rats and take them this 'vaccine'.
 
hop said:
This is just not true, the number of deaths actually attributable to AZ is tiny, especially compared to the number of lives saved, and it is effective against Delta.
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Indeed. The UK yellow card (I think it is called) reporting system is available last I looked some month ago, the figures are far smaller compared to 150,000+ dead from Covid in the UK and 1mil+ suffering long covid (last estimate I checked). The drop off in admissions was measurable when it was deployed in the UK, and I read it will go on to minimise long term effects.
 
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iHorseHead said:
How do you know it has saved a large numbers of lives when it's still so new? How do you exactly know that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57549796 Many countries have banned AZ.

3. Everyone that I personally know that have had COVID have not ended up in a hospital anyway, so… Still, you can't force people to be labour rats and take them this 'vaccine'.
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So because you don't know anyone that died from covid-19, then it must not be thst serious?

I know at 6 peolle off the top of my head that has died of covid-19.
One of my freinds parents had covid last year. They survived. But this year they caught the delta variant. They died 2 days apart. He brother also died a month prior to her parents dying.

One of my Co teachers died. Another Co worker's young sister died ( no pre existing conditions).

Even if you survive covid you have to deal with the long term symptoms.One of my Co workers was a runner before she got covid-19 she can't run anymore because her lungs still at full capacity and her covid-19 infection was a year ago.

I myself has covid-19 and I've been struggle with depression and anxiety since then. Brain fog and lack of concentration has also been a problem for and I never had this issue prior to covid-19.

If people don't want to take the vaccines,then fine. But don't downplay the seriousness of covid-19. It's not like getting the seasonal flu or the sniffles.
 
iHorseHead said:
How do you know it has saved a large numbers of lives when it's still so new? How do you exactly know that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57549796 Many countries have banned AZ.

3. Everyone that I personally know that have had COVID have not ended up in a hospital anyway, so… Still, you can't force people to be labour rats and take them this 'vaccine'.
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1. Because we have huge numbers of studies showing unambiguously that it has saved huge numbers of lives, including real world data at massive scale in countries like the UK that shows this. They’re not really hard to find, and the simple reality of the UK when it comes to cases vs. deaths bears this out especially considering how widely we’ve used AZ.

www.ft.com

Covid vaccines estimated to have prevented over 100,000 deaths in England

Data on benefits from the jab come as NHS is told to draw up plans to vaccinate children aged 12-15
www.ft.com www.ft.com

2. I’m pleased the people you know have been lucky, but “everyone I know” is not scientific evidence. A lot of people get very sick, with many dying, and very many not fully recovering after, including previously healthy friends of mine in their 30s. The millions of deaths worldwide, the data we have, alongside of the friends and colleagues of people literally in this thread, make it clear your personal experience is not representative.

3. Nobody taking an authorised COVID vaccine, which are unambiguously vaccines, not “vaccines”, is a “lab rat”. The reason for that is that around the world hundreds of thousands of us joined clinical trials to test them before they got authorised for use. We opted in to taking experimental vaccines so that people like you wouldn’t have to.

Though for the record, I prefer “guinea pig”, although with the lockdown weight, I’m maybe more of capybara by now, unfortunately nowhere near as chill as they are though..
 
mclld said:
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So first you tried posting a video of Pelosi and we just laughed at how irrelevant it is to what’s being discussed, and so now you’re trying Biden?

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It isn’t irrelevant and laugh all you want, no shock that politicians lie just amazed people make excuses or side step it because they happen to have an R or D next to their name, very pathetic. And yet again this is bigger than a vaccine but people can’t see the forest for the trees.
 
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