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Even though we're on M5 now, I see no reason to upgrade from my M1 Max MBP. A new design or new screen technology would make me want the new model, but no physical changes other than a chip swap means my 4-year-old laptop is still perfectly good.

If there's no event, then the updates are likely just chip swaps. And that's good, Apple should be updating the chips regularly (more than has been done for the AirPods Max), but if you already have an "M" device, there's probably not much reason to upgrade.
 
It is genuinely infuriating how consumers refuse to support Apple's vision. The Vision Pro could be the start of a new computing era.
The Macintosh and iPod didn’t exactly get off to the strongest starts either, I would assume that the Vision Pro is doing about as well as Apple expected it to at a price point like that with the very small amount of content available for it.
For anyone curious, the Macintosh saw strong, initial sales based off of hype, and then it pretty much sat on shelves for a year and a half. The first golden age of the Mac didn’t start until about 1989, five years after the first generation.
The iPods took almost 2 years for them to sell their first million units, and didn’t really “take-off” until the iPod mini, shuffle and nano were introduced several years later.
 
Even though we're on M5 now, I see no reason to upgrade from my M1 Max MBP. A new design or new screen technology would make me want the new model, but no physical changes other than a chip swap means my 4-year-old laptop is still perfectly good.

This is exactly why my 2015 15" MBP continues to be my travel machine.

I've long eyed a 15" MBA to replace it, but I've used those a ton a side by side with my 2015 (my two cousins both have one) and the screen is essentially indistinguishable between them for me.

All I care about is that it "works" as a web terminal and Excel usage and has a great screen, and the 2015 .. still does!

Crazy.. 🤷‍♂️
 
The Macintosh and iPod didn’t exactly get off to the strongest starts either, I would assume that the Vision Pro is doing about as well as Apple expected it to at a price point like that with the very small amount of content available for it.
For anyone curious, the Macintosh saw strong, initial sales based off of hype, and then it pretty much sat on shelves for a year and a half. The first golden age of the Mac didn’t start until about 1989, five years after the first generation.
The iPods took almost 2 years for them to sell their first million units, and didn’t really “take-off” until the iPod mini, shuffle and nano were introduced several years later.

The iPod became trendy, and people wanted to be seen with the white earbuds. Plus is was genuinly a good device. I had my 4th gen monocrome model until last year...sold it for a bit over $100 on fleabay..not bad for being 20 years old.

The AVP is for sitting alone in a room and isolating yourself, is uncomfortable, and doesn't have a use case.
 
The Macintosh and iPod didn’t exactly get off to the strongest starts either, I would assume that the Vision Pro is doing about as well as Apple expected it to at a price point like that with the very small amount of content available for it.
For anyone curious, the Macintosh saw strong, initial sales based off of hype, and then it pretty much sat on shelves for a year and a half. The first golden age of the Mac didn’t start until about 1989, five years after the first generation.
The iPods took almost 2 years for them to sell their first million units, and didn’t really “take-off” until the iPod mini, shuffle and nano were introduced several years later.

"Computer strapped to your face" is never going to be mainstream in the way things like desktop computers/iPods and iPhones were/are.
 
Agreed, there really needs to be a 'reason' for a new AppleTV. Barring some revolutionary new feature that requires new hardware, I don't expect that reduced manufacturing costs are enough to justify a new model.
There are at least two reasons for a new Apple TV:

1) The A15 in the current Apple TV 4K is no longer in production and stocks are running low. They have to switch to an A17 Pro with 8 GB RAM, also to support the future version of Siri with Apple Intelligence.

2) The A15 in the current Apple TV 4K does not support hardware decoding of the AV1 codec that YouTube uses for 4K videos. On YouTube, the current Apple TV with A15 has to use the old VP9 codec with software decoding and 4K 60p HDR videos often stutter. The A17 Pro has hardware decoding of the AV1 codec, which would be very welcome for those who use YouTube on Apple TV.

I hope the new Apple TV comes out as soon as possible and by the end of the year!
 
The iPod became trendy, and people wanted to be seen with the white earbuds. Plus is was genuinly a good device. I had my 4th gen monocrome model until last year...sold it for a bit over $100 on fleabay..not bad for being 20 years old.
No idea what your point is, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a very, very slow seller at the start.
It went on sale in October 2001, they didn’t sell their first million (not hundred million, but just one millionth) unit until May 2003.
It took several, several years until it was flying off the shelves like it did from its 2006-2008 sales peak.
 
"Computer strapped to your face" is never going to be mainstream in the way things like desktop computers/iPods and iPhones were/are.
We’ll see, we have computers in our ears, on our wrists, on our fingers, in our pockets, in our backpacks, on our desks, in our living rooms and kitchens and bedrooms…
I don’t think people are going to draw the line at the face.
Although I will agree that it’s probably not exactly the Vision Pro experience that will be the thing that goes mainstream.
But smart glasses very much seem like an inevitability.
 
No idea what your point is, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a very, very slow seller at the start.

The pace of sales at the start is where any similarities end between iPods & VisionPro.

iPods started off slow because Apple was tiny and niche and it only worked with Mac over Firewire at first.
Also, sourcing music wasn't mainstream and legally easy yet.
 
No idea what your point is, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a very, very slow seller at the start.
It went on sale in October 2001, they didn’t sell their first million (not hundred million, but just one millionth) unit until May 2003.
It took several, several years until it was flying off the shelves like it did from its 2006-2008 sales peak.

The iPod was expensive for a music player, especially compared to a portable cd player. I remember seeing people walking around with them by the 2nd gen on my college campus, and everyone knew instantly it was an iPod. The sales weren't there yet, but this mindshare was.

The AVP has neither, and it's not becoming more interesting as time goes on, it's becoming less.
 
No idea what your point is, that doesn’t change the fact that it was a very, very slow seller at the start.
It went on sale in October 2001, they didn’t sell their first million (not hundred million, but just one millionth) unit until May 2003.
It took several, several years until it was flying off the shelves like it did from its 2006-2008 sales peak.
The only reason the iPod started flying off the shelves is because it supported Windows via iTunes for Windows. Had it been Mac-only, it would have been a failure.
 
What about the MacBook with an iPhone chip? I haven't heard any news about the potential model in quite some time; is it still scheduled to come out by early next year or has it been delayed?
 
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You should just stop posting anything about a new AppleTV until it's officially announced. It's insane how continuously wrong you are with that device.
It's been years of this. Anyone who listened to advice not to buy back then was mislead.

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