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… [Steve Jobs] wouldn’t listen to the criticism. He'd be my way or the highway.?
Despite such a mentality often being customer (e.g. forced USB adoption with the original iMac) and employee (i.e. ruthlessness) unfriendly, I miss it. I think, overall, Jobs’s vision is what made products (i.e. hardware and software) coherent and focused, a masterful tool. Now, Apple bows to the loud ones, the lemmings, the ones who failed to figure out the cylinder goes through the circle hole.

 
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Anyone else a fan of them putting a literal “i” on the iPhone haha
This sadly seems to be the most logical interpretation. Without some good reason for the ”extra” screen space, there’s no other point. Prove me wrong, Apple. The iPhone 13 increased notch size in the wrong direction while successfully marketing it as having a ”smaller” notch because it was narrower but for no reason, while further encroaching on useful screen space.

Maybe bring back Jony Ive but tell him to **** about making it thinner.
 
I really hope that when they switch fully to "i", they will also re-introduce notch in the next iPhone SE based on iPhone mini body.
 
Someday they will introduce the bezel as a new feature and put all the sensors in it. They just can’t bring themselves to admit that the notch was a mistake just like the butterfly keyboard. :rolleyes:
 
Here all this time I thought it was an exclamation point, now I can’t unsee the “i”. o_O
 
The new design should trickle down to the non Pro models next year. The timeline mentioned by Ross, makes sense. Two years for each design.

Only thing maybe Apple will holdback, redesign with under screen FaceID + front camera for the 20th anniversary of iPhone in 2027. That might be the true all screen iPhone without any cutout.
 
The ‘i’ is no better than the notch. In fact, the notch is an accepted and relatively attractive solution to a problem. The notch is now part of Apple’s design language. Everyone knows what the notch is, why it’s there and nobody dislikes it. Plenty would prefer to have no notch but replacing it with a haphazard looking hole and pill shape is appalling taste. If the ‘i’ has no particular reason to exist other than it’s an uglier notch then that’s Tim Cook’s Apple writ large.
 
Would 100% prefer to keep the notch and only allow the OS to display in the sections to the left and right.
Hell, why not make that tiny strip E-Ink and have always on time and battery life.
 
Face ID is currently the superior tech for facial recognition. It is not yet under the display because the integrity is compromised. Once they master it, the world changes. Suddenly the potential exists for any screen you look at could be covering hidden facial recognition technology. Hidden. Big opportunity for marketers... and scammers.
We have already had this tech for many years, it's called CCTV!
CCTV now can even recognise you from your gait, just in case you remark that not everyone looks at cameras.
Big brother has been watching for a long time, only most people seem to have forgotten.
 
Actually, I'm one of the few people left who want a bezel.o_O I hate the no bezel look, since my thumb will always cover a part of the screen when I hold a no bezel phone.

Learn from Aesop's fable about the Man, the Boy and the Donkey. Try to please all, you end up pleasing none.

Apple can make a phone with hole punch beneath a notch and bezel, folks will still buy it. That's how Steve would have done it. Not the 3 in 1 monstrosity?, but he wouldn't listen to the critism. He'd be my way or the highway.?
Actually Steve would have insisted that the phone was just one screen.
 
The notch is, was, and always will be, a design abomination. But wth is a pill and hole?! No notch, no hole, no pill(!). Apple are cruel. This is not the work of a master designers, it's the work of designers abusing an unfair monopoly and I cannot wait for side-loading and an open app store.
Apple does not have a monopoly, fair or unfair. You are free to go to Android or Windows phone(if they are still around). A monopoly would mean that Apple is the ONLY choice.
If you prefer less security and scammers galore then please go to Android and best luck as you will need it.
 
Notch haters, you did this.
I'm afraid you have that backwards. Notch LOVERS, you did this.
If people had rejected the notch, Apple would have kept the screen nice and clean (as it always used to be) and moved the camera and sensors back up into the bezel.
But no, because of people who accepted the stupid ugly notch, now they're thinking this horrendous idea migth also be acceptable.
 
I'm afraid you have that backwards. Notch LOVERS, you did this.
If people had rejected the notch, Apple would have kept the screen nice and clean (as it always used to be) and moved the camera and sensors back up into the bezel.
But no, because of people who accepted the stupid ugly notch, now they're thinking this horrendous idea migth also be acceptable.
Notch-haters kept going on about how much better a hole-punch screen was. But considering Apple is putting notches on their laptops Im surprised they aren't keeping it on their phones.
 
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