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I never saw this behavior with my 3G. But I noticed it right away on my 4. The percentage would dip down as far as 96, and then charge back up to 100%. On my 4S, the effect is magnified. I have seen it drop as low as 92% and TBH, it rarely sits at 100% (and in a fully charged state), spending more time dropping to the 90's and then back up again.

The downside to this is that sometimes you will unplug your device to use it in a less that fully charged state. A trade-off I suppose.

That doesn't sound like the same thing. Apple's explanation is that it discharges only slightly, but without going below showing 100% charge rate. For yours to be visibly dipping into the 90's sounds more like a battery issue than this particular feature.

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I bet there are details missing from this story. She probably had the phone sitting on something thermally-insulating, therefore the phone got really hot. I've seen people put their phones under their pillows before... silliness.
 
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I always wondered why sometimes on my iphone and ipad it would take to take forever to come off of 100%. Other times it was pretty quickly.

+1

I've noticed that if I unplug my 4S as soon as it reaches 100% it pretty quickly drops to 99% but if I leave it lugged in a couple of hours longer it will stay at 100% overnight, including using it as an alarm clock, and I can even check my e-mail and for app updates in the morning before it drops to 99%
 
Zzzzzz

This shouldn't even rate a post. It's sad that Apple have to respond to such made up accusations about their new products.

Pretty much anything these days with a rechargeable battery in it has battery protection circuitry. If you're a home electronics hobbyist, you can by complete circuits for about $2 for your own projects. They contain over charge, over current and over discharge protection all in a few tiny surface mount chips. People are basing their battery management on decades-old ideas from when NiCads were first introduced. Time to move on people..!

Of course there will always be the faulty battery packs that have problems. Some will over heat, and Lithium burns quite nicely. Remember the Sony battery factory that put packs in all sorts of products that had manufacturing defects. Or what about the A123 Systems recall that was just announced - that's going to cost them $55 million. None of that means its not safe to leave your iPhone, iPad or MacBook plugged in overnight. With all the technology that's packed into these things, it's not a great leap to think they could have built in some smart battery charging.

It's not just Apple - it comes from the OEM battery suppliers packaged into the slab that is the battery. And it's not really worthy of all the attention it's getting.

Just use your devices and relax...
 
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So if this is all a non-issue and purposely designed to work like that, then why did Apple originally provide the response of, "If you charge it more than that, you could harm the longevity of the battery?" How could CNBC totally misunderstand it to that degree?
 
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HarryPot said:
I'm pretty sure the MacBooks do that too.

Just out of curiosity: why can't the electricity from the charger simply bypass the battery and power the device directly once it's fully charged? That way, the battery would not discharge, and would not need to charge/discharge constantly, no?

It would be pretty great if someone clarified this on MacBooks.

So many people keep telling me that I can't leave my Mac connected all the time. Because the battery would start losing it's health. I've always said that is BS. But it wouldn't hurt to be sure of it.

As for what you said, it has to be with keeping the health of the battery, supposedly.

Good point. I've noticed that if I leave my MBP plugged all the time then the battery meter slowly drops suggesting that the charging cycle is different to iOS devices. Having said that, my MBP is a late '07/ early '08 model with the removable battery with a life of only 300 cycles so older battery technology?
 
Well, then they should have pegged it at 99% until it truly reaches 100%.

The thing is that it does reach 100%...and then starts dropping back to to 99%, where it starts charging again to reach 100%. Back and forth until you unplug it.

They keep it at 100% so people don't wonder why the charge keeps going down while plugged in.
 
I really don't mean this is a negative way, could someone educate me just a little bit more on this?

After reading the response. Why?
Why does it charge to 100% and then carry on charging even more?

Wouldn't it make more sense for the iOS Device's battery to signify the exact amount of charge the battery currently has?

I'm not for or against the idea, I just don't fully understand the logic behind it.
 
They need to implement this into OS X asap if they haven't already. Honestly my MBP has been grounded for a while ever since I got my iPad. I have to consciously use it on battery once in a while to maintain battery health.
 
This makes total sense. Now, I'm sure someone will misunderstand this comment from me to. ;)
 
I bought a 4S just saturday, because my 3G died. It got up to 104ºF while charging. I have rechargeable apple AA batteries that get 130ºF while charging.

Heatgate or just the way LiIon and NiMH work?

Did you see me saying "heatgate" or "the worst thing ever"? No. It's not a problem, but it is a real thing.
 
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Awesome.. I was always afraid of my bat dyin from leaving it charged over night
 
Not sure about the rest of you, but while the rest of the world has been contesting all of the new iPads problems. I have simply been enjoying mine! :D
 
This is unacceptable.

Then don't buy it. I'm fine with it. Any successful product has jerks that can only criticize and complain while they don't say anything when things go right. I have fired people like this seeing an immediately improvement in group performance after they are gone.

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Not sure about the rest of you, but while the rest of the world has been contesting all of the new iPads problems. I have simply been enjoying mine! :D

Just wait til the next earnings report and the joke will be on the critics. I keep on thinking is anyone short selling Apple as they send out critiques like this. That is an old Wall Street trick and illegal if the connection can be proven in court.
 
I never saw this behavior with my 3G. But I noticed it right away on my 4. The percentage would dip down as far as 96, and then charge back up to 100%. On my 4S, the effect is magnified. I have seen it drop as low as 92% and TBH, it rarely sits at 100% (and in a fully charged state), spending more time dropping to the 90's and then back up again.

The downside to this is that sometimes you will unplug your device to use it in a less that fully charged state. A trade-off I suppose.

Once it hits 100, it will never dip below 100 while plugged in. That what the article says and what my experience has been. Ive never unplugged a iOS device that said less that 100. Something is wrong with your device.

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Well, then they should have pegged it at 99% until it truly reaches 100%.

Yeah that wouldn't create a rash of defective returns.
 
Just wait til the next earnings report and the joke will be on the critics. I keep on thinking is anyone short selling Apple as they send out critiques like this. That is an old Wall Street trick and illegal if the connection can be proven in court.

Anytime Apple releases a successful product, you will always have naysayers beating it down calling anyone who owns or likes the product a "fanboy". Right now the new iPad is the best tablet on the market plain, and simple. If there was a better tablet out there I'm sure most of us would probably own it, but 3 iterations into the iPad later, and there isn't anything even close.
 
Not sure about the rest of you, but while the rest of the world has been contesting all of the new iPads problems. I have simply been enjoying mine! :D[/]

Agree. This is my first iPad and the resolution is amazing. The battery is amazing. It doesn't run hot all. The Wi-Fi is slightly less than my iPhone but perfectly acceptable. And my $10 case from Amazon works perfectly with the sleep wake up magnet no problems.
 
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Good point. I've noticed that if I leave my MBP plugged all the time then the battery meter slowly drops suggesting that the charging cycle is different to iOS devices. Having said that, my MBP is a late '07/ early '08 model with the removable battery with a life of only 300 cycles so older battery technology?
I have a newer MBP (mid-2010), and it behaves differently. At times, the meter on the screen would stop somewhere between 95-99% while the charger connector would go green, indicating that it's fully charged. Other times it would charge it up all the way to 100%.

As far as charging/discharging behavior with the new iPad, I've been noticing the same behavior starting with iPhone 4. Sometimes I would wake up to find the indicator at fully charged position, yet battery percentage would be between 90-99%. Same thing with the 4S that I have right now. I have previously owned the original, 3G and 3GS and those would stay at 100% once they got there.

Can't comment on iPads as the new one is my first.
 
Aw man. I always held out hope that they hired the tooth fairy to unplug my iPhone once it hits 100% and then replug it in at the appropriate time so that it reaches 100% when I wake up.

Lame.
 
Pretty much anything these days with a rechargeable battery in it has battery protection circuitry. If you're a home electronics hobbyist, you can by complete circuits for about $2 for your own projects. They contain over charge, over current and over discharge protection all in a few tiny surface mount chips. People are basing their battery management on decades-old ideas from when NiCads were first introduced. Time to move on people..!

To illustrate above the logic built into a simple, cheap charger. No microcontroller, no patented unique charging method, just a simple CC/CV-charger with basic protection:

http://www.nutz.nl/grab/446269f2.PNG

Simple, isn't it?
 
Apple is usually vague about how their things work, and many of us do care to know their thought process on things like this. They do so many things really well, like the magnetic charge connector for their laptops, but made it poorly with a cord that stuck straight out, begging to fatigue, which it did, which I believe got them a law suit. Now they are very nicely angled and have a good strain relief and are quite excellent. SJ was a perfectionist, so are some of us, and like most engineers we pick and pick at the "bad" 1% to make it better while the other 99% may be fantastic. I was born the same year as SJ, built my own Altair, worked 20+ years for HP and fully understand the culture. I sold all my HP stock and threw in for Apple a while back, specifically because they foster the spark that Bill and Dave engendered in the likes of SJ and Woz, where the new HP has lost touch with those most excellent roots, so sad.

Regarding this issue, it's a good explanation and a good way to handle lithiums. Other phones I've had (HTC) would terminate the charge at 100% and don't not top off again until removed from charge and put back on. If left on the charger the phone begins to discharge, leave it a day or more I have found it down below 90% so I like that Apple tops up the battery periodically. Also, this is really nice while traveling and using an external powerpack to keep the iPad or phone fully charged when you reach your destination, My HTC would hit 100%, then stop using power from the external pack, something that my Apple products don't do.

I absolutely HATE imbedded, non-replaceable batteries, and units with no real power switch, pretty much done with all Apple products. If you leave one in a drawer for 6 months, it is always comsuming a small amount of power (to sense the power button press), and you can destroy the battery by allowing them to go dead, especially lithiums. I understand their point of view, keeping things sleek and thin and probably disposable. I do roll my products every year but not everyone can afford to, and the battery will fade in 2-3 years (standard life of a lithium weather you use it or not) and a iPad that is literally glued together is not easily serviced by anyone.

So I'm no Apple hater, they pretty much rock in my book, but everything can be done better (like the player on the iPad!)
 
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